A not very well thought out solution to the Ukraine

Yes, yes, we all know, Western, Uniate, Ukranian speaking, eastern, Orthodox, Russian. Fatally divided country etc.

However, Crimea is the one part that is really Russian dominated (a result of the expulsion of the Crimean Tatars by Stalin) and it’s also the one part that has never, historically, been a part of the Ukraine. Only became so in 1954.

So switch Crimea over to Russia. What the hell….the end result being that Ukraine becomes a majority Ukrainian/Uniate/state…….umm, I think. It would actually reduce Russia’s argument about being the Big Brother of the remaining state.

Or perhaps I shouldn’t be doing this realpolitik sorta stuff?

20 thoughts on “A not very well thought out solution to the Ukraine”

  1. There may well be all kinds of problems with separatism but it bemuses me how our media waxes lyrical about democracy but treats self determination like cartoon housewives did mice.

  2. Or perhaps I shouldn’t be doing this realpolitik sorta stuff?

    Why not? You couldn’t do worse than Ashton and her merry bunch of clowns.

  3. “Or perhaps I shouldn’t be doing this realpolitik sorta stuff?”

    Why not? It passes the time until Putin sends in the tanks “in support of the civil power.”

  4. So Much for Subtlety

    Or perhaps I shouldn’t be doing this realpolitik sorta stuff?

    Russia has always had poor sea access. They have lost a lot of their Baltic Sea outlets. Push them out of the Crimea and they are stuck with Sochi basically. And Vladivostok.

    Now is a good chance to put them back into their bottle. Maybe we can even give the Koenigsberg, the city of Kant, back to its rightful owners.

    Besides, it is an unusual but not unpleasant feeling to see the Tartars, victims of Stalin’s racist genocide, demanding Crimea remain in Ukraine.

  5. I can see why Ukraine wants to hang onto the Crimea, seeing as it’s the best part of the whole country. Yalta has the most wonderful climate in summer.

    I think more people would side with Russia in negotiating a return of the Crimea if they weren’t so pathalogical about hanging onto those areas of their own which are either disputed (the Kuril Islands) or blatantly taken by force without pretext (Karelia). The Finns should pitch their case to the Kremlin pronto.

  6. “Maybe France, Britain and Turkey should invade to help out”

    Nowadays we only have a Light in the Head Brigade and their charge ran down long ago.

  7. Bloke in Central Illinois

    I believe I saw a map somewhere on the Internet that showed the voting patterns from the last election and the districts east of the Dnieper river voted for the guy who just got ousted and the districts west of the river voted for the other guy. So there is a nice dividing line that makes political and ethnic sense.

    The problem with partition is that Kiev is right in the middle and I’m sure both sides think it’s theirs.

  8. @SMFS: Now is a good chance to put them back into their bottle.
    Alternatively, it’s a good chance to push the nation with the biggest nuclear inventory on the planet into playing rough against a weak US and a pathetic EU.

  9. Hmm. UKIP backs Bolsheviks. And opposes windfarms that might make us less dependent on Bolshevik gas. Vote UKIP for Bolshevik appeasers.

    Ok, unfair, but 20% unfair? 50% , 70% unfair?

  10. Bloke in Central Illinois

    Windfarms don’t reduce the demand for gas appreciaby. Might even raise demand for gas since you need to run your gas generators less efficiently to even out the unsteady output of the windfarm.

  11. You probably know more than me. But is “bloke in centrall Illinois” a catchy title?

    And are you a Bolshevik appeaser? (I probably am on the grounds of cowardice rather than politics.)

  12. Worstall, are you mad?
    Don’t GIVE Crimea to Putin, SELL it.
    That’s the ASI way, isn’t it?
    Our nukes are in tip top condition (crosses fingers) and theirs are rotting in their silos after years of bad maintainance, more likely to blow up on the ground than blast “bloke in central illinois”
    Using the Adam Smith methodology I reckon we could get even more from Putin than the Ukrainian President stole form his people.

  13. So Much For Subtlety

    Thomas Gibbon – “Alternatively, it’s a good chance to push the nation with the biggest nuclear inventory on the planet into playing rough against a weak US and a pathetic EU.”

    It may have escaped your notice, but the Russians are playing rough already. They came to Britain and they killed someone protected by our law. They are protecting every two bit little mass murderer on the planet. Putin is clearly trying to restart the USSR.

    The question is whether the gutless wonder in the Mommy jeans and the buffoon who likes to think of himself as the Prime Minister of Great Britain will let him.

    I am inclined to think they will.

    bloke in france – “Don’t GIVE Crimea to Putin, SELL it.”

    Umm, why don’t we do it the other way? Crimea has a Russian majority – due to military settlement and the mass murder of the Crimean Tartars. Why not give each and every Russian in the Crimea who can prove they were resident there on January 1, $25,000 to p!ss off back to Russia? Then Putin can huff and he can puff, but there will be no Russian population left.

    “Our nukes are in tip top condition (crosses fingers) and theirs are rotting in their silos after years of bad maintainance, more likely to blow up on the ground than blast “bloke in central illinois””

    So why give the Russians anything? Time to re-open the East Prussia question I think. It is not as if Putin can do much given Russia no longer shares a border.

    The Crimea is a real issue for Russia because so much depends on it. It is Russia’s one real access to the wider world. All those bases they want in Cuba and Vietnam depend on it. As does, for instance, messing with the nice people of Moldova. Their ability to back the Syrian and all the other client states suffers a lot.

    This is a serious issue and it could spiral out of control. But the benefits for the West would be enormous if the Russians lose and lose big. They won’t. I expect they will end up with control of all of Ukraine – they will bring their puppet President back to the Crimea, declare him still President, intervene to support “spontaneous2 uprisings in the East, and be in Kiev by this time next month. Given the utter and total lack of character or resolution by our clownish leaders.

    But we can hope.

  14. I tend to think countries are best determined by common language. Thus Belgium should be integrated into France and the Netherlands, Kurdistan should be a country, most of South America should become Boliviana, Germany and Austria should merge, Western Ukraine becomes part of Russia, etc, etc.

  15. from a geographical stand if Crimea becomes part of Russia, Ukraine is surrounded on 3 sides by Russia.

    As the Czech territory was by Germany after it annexed Austria.

    Or, on the other hand, as Finland was by the USSR.
    Not as bad as Switzerland which is surrounded on every side by the EU.

  16. I agree that a country should be determined by a common language (and culture) but that does not mean that there can be two countries with the same language.

    So China (PRC) should split into at least 8 countries (a few of which will still have the largest populations in the world), Belgium as you say into 2, Spain into 4, etc. And yes, independence for Yorkshire if it wants.

    I’ve always thought the UK should be reformed along the lines of the EU, at least the ideal EU

  17. BiF. The US has no realistic nuclear options,

    Most Russian ICBMs are now mobile, not rotting in silos. And Obama cancelled the anti-missile-missiles needed to stop them. He can go for Mutually Assured Destruction with the Trident fleet. But that will get him killed, so he won’t do that.

    This is not to support Putin, just to point out that taking a knife to a gun fight is nor a winning tactic

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *