So one in three strippers is an undergraduate, eh?

So one in every three strip club dancers in Britain is an undergraduate.

Given that stripping is distinctly a game for the young (other positions in the spectrum from titillation to can be occupied by those whom gravity has had more effect upon but the waving of titties is indeed for the young) and that some 50% of young ladies these days are indeed undergraduates it would seem that there is a certain under-representation here.

No doubt we need quotas to correct this appalling situation.

29 thoughts on “So one in three strippers is an undergraduate, eh?”

  1. I recall Castro boasting that Cuban education was so good that most of the “strippers” in Havana had degrees, if not PhDs.

    The point that well-educated PhDs had no better or more fulfilling opportunities in Cuba that to “strip” for western sex tourists didn’t seem to cross his mind.

  2. “No doubt we need quotas to correct this appalling situation.”

    Not without a great deal of further research. Grant funded, of course. Please…

  3. If you need any assistance with that research bis, I’d be happy to help. I’m not so good with the theoretical stuff though, I’m more of a ‘hands on’ type of guy.

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  5. Sorry to get all theoretical about this, but there is a clear over-representation of undergraduates.

    Most importantly, one is only an undergraduate for 3 years, whereas the required proficiencies for being a stripper last for rather more than 3 years. Let’s call it 10 on average. Obviously in some cases it will last longer, and in others, we can all agree that many young ladies simply haven’t got what it takes.

    That means we have 7 strippers who are either graduates or non-students to every 3 who will be 50:50 undergraduates or not. I.e. we would expect about 15% of strippers being undergraduates if being/not being an undergraduate had no effect on your likelihood of becoming a stripper (or being/not being a stripper had no effect on your likelihood of becoming an undergraduate).

    Sadly this forces me to conclude that the stripping industry cares only for its bottom line. It is systematically discriminating against the intellectually challenged, preferring to employ “brainy totty”.

    That some women have both intellectual prowess and the body to go with it and can combine the two to achieve success flies in the face of equality and is deeply anti-feminist. Bitches.

    These numbers prove that we deseperately need a law that strip clubs must give equal opportunities to the thick. And the ugly.

  6. BIG
    ‘Sadly this forces me to conclude that the stripping industry cares only for its bottom line.’
    I think you will find that they care about the top line as well!

  7. As one commenter at the Tele put it, another way to present this would be, “Good news! 1 in 3 strippers is getting a higher education!”.

    BiG-

    One other variable might be that there is a tendency for the underclass to eat too many chips, and the middle class to watch their figures, so you’d get a bias up the social scale from that.

  8. One in three strippers are graduates, therefore one in three graduates are strippers, as Murphy would no doubt say.

  9. Not really surprising at all if true. For the benefit of Victorian time travellers and humans recently returned to Earth after being abducted by aliens in the 1970’s, pretty much anybody who can write their own name now has a degree.

    We is the educatedist generation in history.

    I bought a 12 pack of Sainsburys own brand shea butter toilet paper recently that contained a free upper second class Bachelor of Arts degree in every roll. The drive through of my local KFC is manned by PhD’s. Novelty condom vending machines in pubs are now accredited degree conferring institutions.

    So strippers at university isn’t surprising. What would be interesting is to work out what their earning potential is compared with the average undergraduate. I bet the strippers earn more from pole or lap dances than most of their contemporaries will after graduating.

  10. “One in three strippers are graduates, therefore one in three graduates are strippers, as Murphy would no doubt say.”

    Wonder if he’d give advice on personal service companies?
    Would strippers be eligible for the Fair Tax Mark?

    These are matters within his area of competence.
    He should be consulted.

  11. No doubt in a just society things would work like in Soviet Union currency bars in circa 1968, where clients were complaining that “your strippers are not very good-looking”, and the response was “There is nothing wrong with our strippers. They have the highest qualifications. Most have even been party members since the 1920’s!”.

  12. Of course, stripping must be appealing to those with a large amount of debt (or the prospect of same) and no free time during the day.

  13. bloke in spain,

    “Would strippers be eligible for the Fair Tax Mark?”

    It’d be hilarious to get Spearmint Rhino to apply and get the mark and then watch the lefty infighting. I’d pay the fee just for the hell of it.

  14. Steve, I graduated in 2012 and worked darn hard for my degree. Rather more to it than writing name, a load of assignments and a dissertation for starters.

  15. Just out of interest folks, could a personal service company of one of the BBC presenters (the ones the Left don’t like being paid as contractors by the Beeb) qualify for a fair tax mark?

  16. will there be afirmative action for strippers. Nobody seems to mention male strippers. Removing all that wallpaper can take muscle.

  17. The stripper working to put herself through ‘school’ as the Americans bafflingly call it, is practically a cliché. It’s almost as common a reason for the committed ecdysiast as supporting her chilluns as a single mother or paying for a particularly flamboyant cocaine habit.

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    Steve – “So strippers at university isn’t surprising. What would be interesting is to work out what their earning potential is compared with the average undergraduate. I bet the strippers earn more from pole or lap dances than most of their contemporaries will after graduating.”

    We should be looking at an entire lifetime though. Strippers are highly likely to come to the conclusion that men are low life scum and all sexual relations are transactional. Thus I would bet some real money they are less likely to form long term stable relationships.

    Money ain’t everything. Most women want to get married. This is a sure path to a drug habit, a lot of tattoos and regular beatings from their live-in lesbian lover.

    Girls are better of stacking shelves.

  19. SMFS – I dunno about the all men are scum in strip clubs bit. I’ve been in a few myself and never noticed any scummy behaviour, though it surely happens (and that’s why they have big shaven-headed bouncers to kick your head in if you decide to get hands on).

    Unless by “scum”, we mean men buying overpriced drinks and paying good money to see a lithe young woman shake her tits about and get him all riled up without providing a happy ending. That probably teaches young women they can get what they want from men by using their feminine charms, but they know that already.

    Strip clubs are really quite tame in this country, even on stag nights at the rougher ones in provincial towns. They’re not knocking shops, and British men don’t tend to behave like Johnny Foreigner with his wandering hands.

    I wouldn’t suggest it as a career option to my daughter. But I wouldn’t want her wasting time and money doing a pointless sociology / wimmins studies / media degree either. My point wasn’t that stripping is a great job opportunity, more that degrees in general have become almost worthless in securing well paid employment.

    BTW, aren’t all sexual relations transactional in some sense?

  20. All relations are to some degree transactional. We only stay friends with people because they provide us with friendship in return, and so on.

    Neither is it reasonable to be down on overtly business relationships. The implication is that they are emotionally void, and exploitative. Is this true? Think of the friendly relationships one has with local shopkeepers, your car mechanic, etc. Or to be personal, when I was a maintenance engineer, on the one hand I was there for the money, on the other hand I took pride in doing a good job and being helpful to clients. A transactional relationship is not necessarily bad.

  21. So Much For Subtlety

    Steve – “I dunno about the all men are scum in strip clubs bit.”

    I didn’t say they were scum. I said the girls working there might well come to the conclusion they are scum. I am sure British men are nice most of the time. But the industry is likely to teach women that men are scum.

    “(and that’s why they have big shaven-headed bouncers to kick your head in if you decide to get hands on).”

    Yes. The girls might think about what that means.

    “That probably teaches young women they can get what they want from men by using their feminine charms, but they know that already.”

    They probably don’t. Actually. It is amazing how much girls want to believe in romance and love – and how the fact that men will do whatever she wants is because she is a special snowflake and not because she has big norks.

    “I wouldn’t suggest it as a career option to my daughter. But I wouldn’t want her wasting time and money doing a pointless sociology / wimmins studies / media degree either.”

    So I don’t see why anyone should be encouraging anyone else’s daughter to do either. Myself. But I realise that is not a common position.

    “My point wasn’t that stripping is a great job opportunity, more that degrees in general have become almost worthless in securing well paid employment.”

    I think degrees have become worthless, but I am not sure they are worthless for getting a job. A lot of jobs that did not demand a degree now do. I assume it is just a way of doing what IQ tests and having a look over the candidate used to do – getting rid of the useless and dim.

    “BTW, aren’t all sexual relations transactional in some sense?”

    I might well agree with that, although I think British men are giving a hell of a lot more than they are getting. But I also think it is important to pretend otherwise.

    Ian B – “All relations are to some degree transactional. We only stay friends with people because they provide us with friendship in return, and so on.”

    I am not sure what I ever provided my mother. Not entirely sure that relationship was transactional at all.

    “Neither is it reasonable to be down on overtly business relationships. The implication is that they are emotionally void, and exploitative. Is this true? Think of the friendly relationships one has with local shopkeepers, your car mechanic, etc.”

    I don’t have any friendly relationships with local shopkeepers et al. I have professional relationships with them. If my car broke down on a rainy night I would not call them and they would not call me. My friends on the other hand would.

    “Or to be personal, when I was a maintenance engineer, on the one hand I was there for the money, on the other hand I took pride in doing a good job and being helpful to clients.”

    That is about you, not them.

    “A transactional relationship is not necessarily bad.”

    No. In the right place and at the right time, it is fine. I am not sure it ought to be extended to personal relationships. There is a Japanese film along those lines though.

  22. ” Strippers are highly likely to come to the conclusion that men are low life scum and all sexual relations are transactional.”
    What a strange world you inhabit, SMfS. The conclusion strippers are most likely to come to is men can be stupid creatures, lead by their dicks. Which the sort of girls go stripping are well aware of anyway.
    As for your impression the establishments are run by tattood lowlifes, this is the sex industry FFS! The bottom line’s money. A strip club presents all the problems running any entertainment venue does. Is run much the same way. Except, like most areas in the sex industry, the level of sexual harassment of female workers is a lot lower. Like working in a chocolate factory, no-ones much interested in the product.

  23. So Much for Subtlety

    bloke in spain – “What a strange world you inhabit, SMfS. The conclusion strippers are most likely to come to is men can be stupid creatures, lead by their dicks. Which the sort of girls go stripping are well aware of anyway.”

    It is true, I suppose, but I suspect I am right this time. Unfortunately. Yes, I am sure that is what women who become strippers come to think. I am sure that many of them were well aware of this beforehand having been abused and/or treated like crap by their boyfriends. So there is an exception to my rule – the work is not that likely to be massively damaging if you’re massively damaged to begin with. To the rest, we seem to be in agreement, it is massively damaging. Given the contempt behind the belief that men are stupid creatures led by their dicks is incompatible with a happy relationship with a man.

    “As for your impression the establishments are run by tattood lowlifes, this is the sex industry FFS!”

    So of course they are tattooed low lifes?

    “The bottom line’s money. A strip club presents all the problems running any entertainment venue does.”

    The bottom line for the drug trade is money too. But they are still tattoo’ed low lifes too. They have all the same problems, but a few of their own. And you’re missing the point. People who peddle this sort of thing are the sort of people who peddle this sort of thing. Or soon become that way. Hard to tell in the case of Spearmint Rhino.

    “Like working in a chocolate factory, no-ones much interested in the product.”

    And there’s the problem innit?

  24. SMfS, you do have a most singular view of the sex industry. No doubt harvested from reading the Sunday tabloids.
    It seems to start from the presumption, no-one would wish to be in it voluntarily, unless it was to exploit the weak & works from there.
    The truth is the complete opposite. There’s absolutely no shortage of people wish to be strippers, masseuses, escorts, hookers. It’s not a bad job, if you like that sort of thing. Though regrettably doesn’t pay as much as many think. So as we start from the position, no-one’s being coerced, therefor we have few coercers. It doesn’t run like you think it does & doesn’t need to run like you think it does. if it did, it’d all be a great waste of energy for no purpose.
    A strip joint runs exactly like, say, a live music venue. They sell admissions, if they’re licenced sell drinks, hire & fire acts & there’s a modicum of security to stop the fans joining the band on stage. That’s it.
    The seediness tends to get imposed where the authorities don’t like the industry & the venues are forced to keep a low profile & everyone’s running scared of an infringement risking their license.
    Shame you can’t come with me when I visit my friend’s brothel, this week. I’ve promised her I’ll replace the water heater. You could pass the spanners. It’s four girls sitting around an apartment in interesting clothes watching TV & waiting for the phone to ring. I’m no more likely to sample the chocolate than I would be, have the car oil changed every time I drop in & see my mate owns a garage. It’s just a business, provides a service.

  25. So Much For Subtlety

    bloke in spain – “you do have a most singular view of the sex industry. No doubt harvested from reading the Sunday tabloids.”

    If the Sunday tabloids say so it is hardly singular is it?

    “It seems to start from the presumption, no-one would wish to be in it voluntarily, unless it was to exploit the weak & works from there.”

    I don’t know how you came to that conclusion. What I believe is entirely compatible with the view that some people want to work in the field voluntarily. Given I think most people are lazy, feckless, indifferent to the suffering of others and in general, vile. No end of people willing to work in such a field. As I keep saying, it is damaging to them so they shouldn’t. Not that they are sold into White Slavery and so must. Even though the media keeps selling it as a glamorous industry, it isn’t. It ruins them.

    And we seem to be agreed it is exploiting the weak – men who think with their dicks and are so pathetic they can’t get a shag any other way for instance.

    “The truth is the complete opposite. There’s absolutely no shortage of people wish to be strippers, masseuses, escorts, hookers.”

    There is no shortage of stupid people. Especially stupid people who watch TV shows that show the industry as a great place to work. However I think I can say with some degree of confidence that the vast majority of people who will ever read this sentence would prefer their daughters not to work in it.

    “It’s not a bad job, if you like that sort of thing. Though regrettably doesn’t pay as much as many think.”

    I am sure the hours are good and the work does not require much heavy lifting. That is not the problem. The problem is that people who work in the industry are more likely to end up like Aileen Wournos than Belle De Jour. No leader of a major corporation’s CV is going to start with a spell turning tricks. On the other hand, any time someone gets fed to a serial killer’s pigs, they are likely to have been in this line of work for some time.

    “So as we start from the position, no-one’s being coerced, therefor we have few coercers.”

    That seems a logical fallacy to me. But let’s agree that there appears to be very few traffickers involved. Coercion is a more complex issue given the number of serious low life scum who make a living out of seeking vulnerable girls, grooming them and then telling them if they truly love them, they will sleep with this man, just this one time ….

    “It doesn’t run like you think it does & doesn’t need to run like you think it does. if it did, it’d all be a great waste of energy for no purpose.”

    Fine. It still would not make the girls any better off in the sense I have described so far. They will still come out the other end of their career embittered and distrustful, usually unable to form lasting attachments to men.

    “A strip joint runs exactly like, say, a live music venue. They sell admissions, if they’re licenced sell drinks, hire & fire acts & there’s a modicum of security to stop the fans joining the band on stage. That’s it.”

    Who disputed that by the way?

    “It’s just a business, provides a service.”

    So do drug dealers. There is a sub-category of on-line nasty where people crush little kittens and rabbits to death, usually a girl wearing high heeled shoes. Just another service that one as well.

  26. Wel, we can certainly take it you don’t like the industry, SMfS!

    But “given the number of serious low life scum who make a living out of seeking vulnerable girls, grooming them and then telling them if they truly love them, they will sleep with this man, just this one time ….”
    Given that you accept there’s no shortage of people wishing to get into the work, how exactly would that work? The low life scum carefully avoid any girls who want to sell their ass & concentrate their attentions on those who don’t. For the challenge?
    Like I said in the other comment, your assumptions only work if there’s a shortage of supply over demand in labour. If your realise, what there is is a shortage of paying customers over supply of service providers, the whole thing reverses. There’s no coercion, enticement, pressure whatsoever. My lass’ll probably get half a dozen calls this week from women who want to work. She usually does. She’ll disappoint them because she hasn’t got the work for them. If she had, She’d still be rejecting most because they haven’t the looks or the talent. It’s not that easy a job to do. Mixture of actress, social worker & double glazing sales. So if she finds girls have the magic touch. The all important one the industry depends on. Their customers return & recommend to their friends. She looks after them very well indeed.
    All right you don’t like the industry. But on a moral basis, how does it differ from something as vile as estate agency?

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