Timmy elsewhere

At the ASI.

given that the prodnoses have been wrong about diets for the past 40 years perhaps we shouldn’t let them determine our diet?

15 thoughts on “Timmy elsewhere”

  1. I particularly like how, after the previous two generations of health food maniacs yelling at everyone to drink fruit juice, it’s now suddenly become evil because it’s got lots of sugar in it.

    Sugar is clearly the latest evil that the prods have en masse decided to yell “get thee behind me!” at. For some reason I find the promotion of some unit of mass called the “teaspoon” to be particularly annoying, every time I read it I get a bit of an urge to slap someone.

  2. “the prodnoses have been wrong about diets”: you are too kind – they have not merely been wrong. Those who have not been wilfully blind have been horribly lazy or simply mendacious. It’s not that they were misled by plausible, but erroneous, interpretations of decent evidence. It’s that there never was any evidence worth tuppence in the first place. From the off rational people pointed out the flaws in the anti-fat case; they were squashed by the political power within the AMA of Keys and his acolytes. It’s a disgraceful bloody story.

    How about sugar? Personally I’d advocate that adults really should try cutting back because of the extra pleasure they will then get from their food once the flavours aren’t swamped by the childish sweetness. But each to his own.

    And salt? Oh for heaven’s sake; unless you know that you are one of the tiny number affected by the problem of too much salt, enjoy it as you like. Especially on chips. On celery. On…..

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    Perhaps we need to adopt the Communist system of randomly assigning people to professions. Because allowing people who were worryingly obsessed with their bowel functions to totally dominate what they like to call dietary science has not worked out well.

    We are seeing a sad collapse of trust in scientific institutions. Largely because the Baby Boomers are self-indulgent pricks who think that their pet ideological beliefs are more important than old fashioned concepts like probity, honesty and intellectual rigour. Tragic really.

  4. Oh dear. You’ve been reading scare stories in the Mail and the Telegraph again, haven’t you?

    The fact of the matter is that the broad thrust of advice about healthy eating hasn’t changed for decades. Healthy eating isn’t about “never eat this” or “always eat that”. It’s about balance and moderation.

    So, Ian B, orange juice is at the same time both a high source of vitamin C (good if you lack vitamin C) and a high source of sugar (bad if you’re already ingesting a high level of sugar from other foodstuffs).

    Similarly salt. There’s no question that taking in a high level of salt results in an immediate though temporary increase in blood pressure, which may be a problem if you have heart disease.

    So what? It’s not about individual foodstuffs. It’s about diet.

  5. @Churm Rincewind: rubbish, frankly. Every person who has visited a doctor in the last 40 years, and has been found to be overweight, and have elevated cholesterol levels, has been advised to cut saturated fat consumption, and replace it with carbs. That has been the main thrust of public health for as long as I’ve been around (in early 40s), and plenty of people I know have received that advice from their GPs.

    Now they are very slowly and grudgingly admitting that they’ve got it entirely arse about face. Which would be fine, apart from the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, who have potentially died younger than otherwise would have been the case, as a result of the wrong advice.

    This is a terrible stain on the entire medical profession and establishment. If they had any honour they would do a collective mea culpa and keep quiet in future about telling people what to eat or do with their bodies. But they are all nasty little prod nosed bastards who like telling people what to do, so they’ll keep very quiet about the whole thing, and hope nobody notices.

  6. TheJollyGreenMan

    They saw the fuckers giving up smoking and said to themselves, good, what else can we do to fuck with the heads of these stupid fools! And they will never stop until people turn around and start blowing smoke rings in their pruny disapproving faces.

  7. The Nutritionist argument seems to be based on the idea that salt, sugar and saturated fat are rare in nature.

    Very true for someone who’s starving, and a shit load more people have died from under eating than over eating. But is it really true in nature? Not that I can see.

    Nor can I see any documented urge to overeat iodine (in mushroome, nice as they are) to ward off potential thyroidism / cretinism.

    So ask yourself this: am I going to follow the dictates of some cretin in a white coat with a diploma in “Food Studies” from the Polytechnic of the Greater Stretchford Conurbation? Or am I going to follow my gut instinct?

  8. @Churm Rincewind
    Explain the advice to eat no more than 2 eggs a week that was promoted for over 30 years, only to be rescinded after it became obvious even to the prodnoses that dietary cholesterol intake had absolutely no effect on serum cholesterol levels. But even then the UK advisors, unlike their US counterparts, continued to advise reduced egg intake because they wanted to promote a “balanced diet”.

  9. @ Jim – You say that advice to the overweight to reduce saturated fat consumption and “replace” fat intake with carbs as a way of combatting obesity has now been discredited. I’ve been unable to trace any evidence for this claim. Could you provide?

    @ Mike Power – Well, no, the advice to eat no more than two eggs a week still applies to those with coronary heart disease, on the basis that those with a history of transient ischemic attacks who eat three or more yolks a week have significant amounts of plaque build-up compared with those who eat two or fewer yolks a week, though eating eggs seems to have no substantive effect on normal healthy people. Medical research on this point has been consistent for at least the 30 years you mention.

    My main point still obtains. Outside the pages of the Mail and the Telegraph there are no “good” and “bad” foods. It’s all about overall diet.

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