Timmy elsewhere

At the ASI.

Something Marx and Engels might have been right about: the decline in the value of virginity.

5 thoughts on “Timmy elsewhere”

  1. Arguably the purported “high value of virginity” only ever applied to “certain religious groups”, including Christianity (which got its taboo system from the Levantine pastoralists) and it’s never had much value to Europeans without ideological (religious) imposition. We don’t have much data, but we have some testimony from the Romans that the Celts didn’t value it at all.

    Among the less religious lower classes of Christian Britain (at least), it didn’t seem to have much value and it’s notable that the 18th century (weak Christianity) was pretty much a free for all of rumpy pumpy. Only the upper class really valued it because of the marriages-for-interfamily-politics type thing.

    Overall, I think we’ve just relaxed back to the norm, therefore. The sexual revolution wasn’t really so much a revolution as the collapse of the Victorian puritan aberration, a sort of cultural Fall Of The Berlin Wall.

    Certainly if you read Mayhew’s London Labour And The London Poor and his shocked descriptions of the morals of the costermongers etc, there was scant regard for sexual propriety, or even marriage.

  2. bloke (not) in spain

    I’d say you were getting this somewhat the wrong way round, Ian. The value of virginity (other than to the virgin herself) has always related to women being seen as “property” & related to the marriage as a joining of two families concept I’ve mentioned before. The virgin bride – thus not already carrying the sprog of a different family – is higher value goods.
    The morality bit gets enshrined in religion because religions are mostly about reinforcing cultural preferences.

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