Another ignorant cow on the gender pay gap

Gloria De Piero MP, Labour’s Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities said: “Women are working an extra three days for free this year because the pay gap is back on the rise.

“Women shouldn’t have to wait another 50 years for equal pay, which is why Labour will be calling a vote in Parliament to get big companies to publish their pay gap.

“If David Cameron’s Government doesn’t act, a Labour Government will.”

Sigh.

As we all bloody well know, it’s illegal to pay people a different amount based on their gender for the same job. Thus, in that pure sense, either there’s no gender pay gap or there’s a number of prosecutions not being brought.

And if we want to start talking about m,en and women in general earning different amounts of money then we’ve got to go look at qualifications, hours in work, years in the workforce, relative death and injury rates of various jobs and all the rest. And when we do that we find that there’s no part of that gap left that can be explained by any form of gender discrimination.

So what the fuck’s she talking about?

The difference based on median hourly earnings for full-time workers increased from 9.5 per cent last year to 10 per cent.

Men and women tend to do different jobs, in different sectors of the economy. They get paid different amounts. And?

17 thoughts on “Another ignorant cow on the gender pay gap”

  1. If I remember right, In the U.S. the accident death rate for men at work is about 11 times the rate for women, because men tend to do the more dangerous jobs. And more dangerous jobs are, all else being equal, better paid. Assuming the situation is similar in the U.K., to achieve equality the government will need to make sure that as many women are killed at work as men. Is this official Labour policy?

  2. “As we all bloody well know, it’s illegal to pay people a different amount based on their gender for the same job. “

    And, as we all bloody well know, a lie can be round the world before the truth has got its boots on. And these days, professional agitators write for the low information voter.

  3. In NZ there have been court cases that nurses were underpaid because it was a female ‘profession’ and they should be paid the same as police. They won.

  4. And?

    Well something must be done. And vote for me and I’ll promise to do it. What ever I think I might try as ‘it’ once I get my claws on the reins of power.

    Collapses into hideous cackling fit …

  5. I believe that studies show nursing to be a more hazardous occupation than police work. So, they should be paid more.

  6. How about we equalise the pay ‘gap’ by requiring companies to equalise male and female workers in any one type of job. Same hours, same pay, equal numbers male and female.
    Then for every person who wants to take more than the basic maternity time off has to be balanced by another worker in the same company taking the same time off who is of the opposite gender.
    Can’t find one willing to do that? You can’t do that either.
    You want to go part time to look after your kids? Only possible if a person of the opposite sex also goes part time for the same total number of hours.
    Don’t want to do this dirty, smelly, dangerous work? Sorry you must, this is what women insisted they wanted. Sorry guys only female rubbish collection personnel may be recruited until numbers are equal. Sorry ladies no office jobs available for you, only male office workers may be recruited until numbers are equalised.

    Would solve the gender pay gap. Perhaps the solution is not what they really, really want? Perhaps the moaning about it is what is really needed?
    But hey, I’m a typical male. See a problem, find a solution. Not the way a woman thinks.

  7. I saw a map of the US recently which showed the results of the last Presidential election for male voters only. Most of the country was Republican except for the far Northwest and parts of New England.

    Different country, but you can see why Labour pushes stuff like this.

  8. I’ll support the economics of your post, Tim, but not the whole post, because I don’t think it helpful to describe her in sexist terms as a cow. It leaves you open to accusations that you devalue her on her gender alone. She’s still wrong, but she’s not wrong for being a cow.

  9. Martin

    Women have as much right to be insulted as men. Yes, ‘cow’ is gender-specific.. but there are plenty of insults predominantly reserved for men (twat, dick, wanker) along with plenty that are good for anyone (idiot, fucker, cretin). I think a cursory scan of this blog will reveal liberal use of them all.

    Gloria De Piero is a rich, white, straight, educated woman. She’s had a TV career and now she’s in politics. She’s got privilege. She’s fair game for a mild insult. Especially when she’s being an ignorant cow.

  10. Gloria De Piero MP, Labour’s Shadow Minister for Women

    or

    Gloria De Piero MP, Labour’s Shadow Minister for Tits Oot For The Lads

  11. Hey – did these women in politics holding a position of power or shadow position get it because of being women rather than on merit? Perhaps we need an investigation, starting with government and moving down to senior civil service management about whether any female got the position on merit or for being female?

  12. Very little work seems to have been done in the world of modelling where female models get paid far more than male. This is clearly as a result of prejudice and a vaginacentric conspiracy.

    I demand action.

  13. Mark,

    > I believe that studies show nursing to be a more hazardous occupation than police work. So, they should be paid more.

    The UK’s firefighters made this argument last time they went on strike. It was apparently lost on them that part of the reason for the police’s higher pay is that the police unions have signed an agreement never to go on strike.

  14. As we all bloody well know, it’s illegal to pay people a different amount based on their gender for the same job. Thus, in that pure sense, either there’s no gender pay gap or there’s a number of prosecutions not being brought.

    There are zero prosecutions brought; this is not a criminal offense, but creates a civil tort. There are plenty of civil actions. Tim usually cares about distinctions like this, but not today for some reason.

    Additionally, in order to know there’s a problem, you need to know what your counterparts are being paid. Without disclosure triggered by a lawsuit, most people have no idea what the people they work with are paid – that’s why so many employment tribunals are in the public sector where freedom of information applies and the numbers are public.

    If there’s a law against something, but it can’t be effectively used because people don’t have the information necessary to know that that a tort has been perpetrated against them, then proposing that this information be made available seems like a reasonable proposition.

  15. @TheThoughtGang: Oh, I’ve got no qualms about insulting women, and I’ll dish it out with the best of ’em when they deserve it (and this one does.) Just not for being a woman.

  16. There seems to be no concern that the main reason that men are paid is that they work longer hours and more overtime.
    Guardianista women want the same pay without having to work for it. But not all women do: my wife is currently working downstairs (yes, I have noticed that it’s 10 o’clock).

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