I suppose that’s one way to get out

Germany would be prepared to accept that Britain will have to leave the European Union if David Cameron insists on restricting the number of immigrants from the bloc who can live and work in the UK.

Mr Cameron’s bid to curb levels of migration from the EU is taking Britain to a “point of no return”, according to Der Spiegel.


It’s obviously
true that an end to the internal free movement of people will mean having to leave. And whatever I think of the free movement of people or not leaving would be a good idea. So go on Call Me Dave, insist upon it and then we can leave.

Because it doesn’t matter: we left anyway, which is the important thing.

13 thoughts on “I suppose that’s one way to get out”

  1. So Much for Subtlety

    So go on Call Me Dave, insist upon it and then we can leave.

    Except Cameron does not want to leave. He wants some drama to make him look good to potential UKIP voters, but it will be sound and fury amounting to nothing.

    There is no out here. It must means that Cameron has drawn a line in the sand and Merkel has stepped over it. So he will have to back down and Britain will be humiliated on the world stage. Again.

  2. I hope the UK has the resources to re-house, employ, feed, etc. those, what, 2 million Brits resident in other EU countries under freedom of movement provisions. Maybe once they get their residency cancelled and deported they will cheerfully replace the Romanians picking fruit at minimum wage, maybe not.

  3. So Much for Subtlety

    Bloke in Germany – “I hope the UK has the resources to re-house, employ, feed, etc. those, what, 2 million Brits resident in other EU countries under freedom of movement provisions. Maybe once they get their residency cancelled and deported they will cheerfully replace the Romanians picking fruit at minimum wage, maybe not.”

    The net flow of migrants has been to the UK. So no problems. Many of those two million Brits are retirees and so will not be looking for work. But if the Spanish want to push out one of their few remaining cash cows, they are more than welcome to do so.

    Picking fruit at minimum wage is not an industry we want. Better that Romanians, and Mexicans, do it in their own country and we import the fruit. We want higher wages so push innovation and investment in higher technology.

    The EU provides no benefits to the UK whatsoever.

  4. BiG

    I’m not sure if it was an oversight on your part but you haven’t mentioned that our entire trade with the EU would be DOOMED.

  5. @TMB, didn’t mention that since it’s an obvious nonsense. Though how, freed of the shackles of those directives, it is going to be cheaper to export to the EU has never been explained to my satisfaction.

  6. We don’t export to the EU–we sell to individuals, companies etc. The EU’s involvement–as with all govt–as that of thief and tyrant. Taking a cut and telling you what can/can’t be sold. The EU adds costs to trade and doing business. It may have streamlined the process of thievery and dictatorial control by having a uniform set of abuses for all of Europe. You may regard that as an advantage but it is still abuse. The people of Europe have traded with each other since the stone age. They no not need or require permission or assistance from either one or many oppressive states to continue doing so.

  7. The savings for UK exporters are going to be largely illusory though there might be small savings in admin costs.

    The directives would still apply to exporters from the UK and elsewhere too. But it is a myth that we should lose influence in the formulation of such directives since QMV subjects the UK to the capricious decision-making processes pioneered by the Eurovision Song Contest.

    The big savings would be in the UK’s net contribution, of course, as well as on the salary bill of a vast number of civil servants in Whitehall and UKREP.

  8. bloke (not) in spain

    I’d go with SMfS. Absent its Brits, Andalucia’d be headed back to being Spain’s poorest Region. Shouldn’t think it’d do Comunidad Valenciana much good either. Nor Aquitaine & several other European regions. It’s the inflow of Brit money keeps their economies above the waterline.
    Might suit Germany, but putting the skids under several European governments wouldn’t play well outside Berlin.

  9. TMB, BiG: The savings would accrue to traders in the domestic market. Exporters would be no worse off, absent punitive tarriffs…

  10. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Even if Cameron can’t do anything about EU migrants, what is stopping him from reducing or halting the flow of non-EU migrants? Is it fear of being called waaaaaaacist?*

    * I disdain the idea it’s anything principled because, hey, this is Cameron we’re talking about

  11. TMB, BiG: The savings would accrue to traders in the domestic market. Exporters would be no worse off, absent punitive tarriffs…

    Nah, we’d just replace the EU bureaucrats with an army of didkheads of our own. No way would the overalls regulatory burden be reduced, the next Labour government to get in would create tens of thousands of jobs recreating all those departments we’d just freed ourselves of.

  12. All government is tarrifs and thievery. The EU is progress in that it says we’ll try and have as little as possible within our patch. And, pace France, it’s been pretty much achieved. You can find a few examples like cars and the wonderful VAT that don’t quite work like that, but national governments had managed to put quite a stop to that “trading with each other since the stone age” pre-EU. Wasn’t that long ago you couldn’t take £51 holiday spending money out of the country without permission.

    I’m all for global free trade right now. I’m also a realist. The student oops sorry anarcho-libertarian revolutionaries don’t seem to get that we have never got there from here in one go. Wherever you are you will have to live with silly rules you don’t like, and it makes some kind of sense for rules, silly or otherwise, to be imposed on the level they make sense. So your council gets to choose which is the nude beach, but rules against selling toxic waste as food can be harmonised across a larger area without too much collateral damage. Inevitably this results in multi-layered government, in which Yurp is just another layer. Its competencies should be limited in the way we limit the competencies of all layers of government. We aren’t doing enough to limit the competencies of all layers of government, so taking pot-shots at just one of those layers, particularly from the number of contributors here (including our esteemed host) benefitting from some of the freedoms brought by that European layer, seems to be missing the target to this liberal.

  13. So Much for Subtlety

    Bloke in Germany – “I’m all for global free trade right now. I’m also a realist. The student oops sorry anarcho-libertarian revolutionaries don’t seem to get that we have never got there from here in one go.”

    This is a logical fail from the start. We don’t have to go to a full of anarcho-libertarian utopia in one go. Or in seven goes. The question is whether we will get there in any number of goes. Given that the EU is founded in a deep and profound statist, collectivist even, ideology, it is clearly never going to take us remotely close to be more free. The best we can hope for is the sort of corrupt state-centred kleptocratic oligarchy France has.

    “Wherever you are you will have to live with silly rules you don’t like, and it makes some kind of sense for rules, silly or otherwise, to be imposed on the level they make sense.”

    That is true.

    “Its competencies should be limited in the way we limit the competencies of all layers of government.”

    But it won’t be. Power has been flowing to the centre for 100 years or more. We have failed utterly to control its competencies and they do not want their competencies controlled. So fiscal policy is best done at a national level but Europe will not allow that. They will not even allow bent bananas to be sold in pounds and ounces. So this is simply absurd. You are not commenting on the real world.

    What is more, what is the need for the European level? We are all going to start poisoning ourselves with rancid meat if Brussels does not stop us? It doesn’t seem to be working that way. The EU is just a massive job creation scheme for the sort of people who ran Empire. It is great for Foreign Office types to threaten the Indians with the big European Stick. In theory. If they had one. For the rest of us, it means bringing Italian political practices, Spanish working practices and Greek honesty into British public life.

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