Sure he’s odious but so what?

The odious Blanc specialises in ‘helping’ desperate men by turning them into repulsive, entitled, sexually aggressive creeps with horrible fashion sense. Why should he get a visa?

Because while he may be odious he’s not doing anything illegal? Perhaps even the fact that we know some number of people want him to be able to come here because some number of people are willing to pay to see him if he does come here? And there’s the rub: why should your desire to see him not arrive trump the desire of those who would have him arrive?

The general solution we have to this problem is that as long as people aren’t doing anything illegal then we let them come. So, any reason you’ve got to show that he breaches those conditions?

44 thoughts on “Sure he’s odious but so what?”

  1. I wonder if Lindy West’s attitude to this kind of thing is in any way influenced by the unfortunate physical appearance of Lindy West?

    The bitterness is oozing out of her.

  2. Anyone who supports refusing this guy a visa cannot ever, EVER, talk about how bad immigration controls are or how bad other people (the majority of the population) are for wanting to control the borders for whatever reason.

  3. Mob rule (even if it is only a mini-mob)

    The guy is a shit?

    Maybe, but if we eliminate all the people that other people think are shits, there would only be me left. You lot would be gone, a retired accountant would see to that!

  4. “Blanc is a self-styled “pick-up artist”, an odious brand of conman who specialises in “helping” lonely, desperate, socially inept men by turning them into repulsive, entitled, sexually aggressive creeps with horrible fashion sense.”

    Here’s the answer: go and find a desperate, socially inept man and give him some. Or stop opposing him paying for sex.

    Women talk about how men feel “entitled”, but it’s not an issue for women. It’s like an able-bodied person talking about a disabled person who wants a wheelchair as “entitled”. Almost any woman can get sex at any time. A woman sat at a bar for 30 minutes in a hotel will get propositioned. For painfully shy, ugly men, they struggle to form relationships.

    I’ve had to tell young tech guys NOT to go and fix some hot girls’ computer at work. That she might be dropping hints, but she’s got a boyfriend, and if you want to waste half a day for a cup of coffee, by my guest, but you were warned.

  5. Whatever the merits or otherwise of PUA, the frightening thing is that supposedly liberal democracies are treating this as an issue for the State and effectively treating a man as sufficiently undesirable to that State to refuse a visa simply because he offends the Feminist priesthood. Priestesshood. Whatever.

    This really is over-the-line tyranny we have lapsed into, and the hard part seems to be people realising that. They don’t recognise it because they are used to watching out for political tyranny, or maybe religious tyranny, but are so used to moral tyranny now that they can’t see it.

    We genuinely live in the age of thoughtcrime.

  6. Lindy reccomends this dating site:

    “You can see them (men), but they can’t see you. As you browse, when you come across men you find interesting or attractive, you can make yourself visible to them. They get a notification and can then contact you, if they like you back. It’s an incredibly simple idea that solves so many of the problems endemic to the traditional heterosexual dating model (they’re currently working on a same-sex version too)”.

    Good luck on that same-sex version; I can’t wait to see how you make that work, you numpties.

  7. “I’ve had to tell young tech guys NOT to go and fix some hot girls’ computer at work. That she might be dropping hints, but she’s got a boyfriend, and if you want to waste half a day for a cup of coffee, by my guest, but you were warned.”

    I’m not young or a tech, but I would regard the mere company of a hot bird as an infinitely better use of my time than what I usually do – the coffee would be a bonus

  8. Stig-

    Indeed. The whole “entitlement” discourse is basically the shaming of simple desire, want or need. To want a girlfriend is to be “entitled”, which is a sin under feminism (since your assumption you should have sex is due to being part of the rape culture et cet ra).

  9. BraveFart, it would depend I think whether you have unrealistic hopes as to where the said company of the hot bird may lead.

  10. She’s talking bollocks anyway. If Blanc really did turn men into repulsive, entitled, sexually aggressive creeps with horrible fashion sense, he’d be a failure. He turns men into men that large numbers of women like being approached by. Obviously.

    Also, why assume that, just because he uses his skills to sleep with as many women as possible, that all his students will do the same? Surely a lot of them want steady girlfriends or wives. In my experience, most cripplingly shy men do. The ones who want to be promiscuous already are.

    All of which is an aside to my obvious agreement that none of this has a damn thing to with visas, nor should it.

  11. Ian B,

    Not even particularly unrealistic hopes. It’s not like they’re just pretty girls asking a favour and the guy thinks “sex for fixing a PC”. There’s a bit of sweet talking to it.

  12. Oh man, it’s big Lindy West again. She specialises in being upset when men try to chat up other, more attractive women.

    But it’s totally a feminist issue, you guys! It’s not because Lindy looks like this.

    Last Thursday night, in the wee hours, a sad, tired man with a patchy beard and terrible trousers was forced to slink out of Australia

    It’s misogyny when men judge womens’ appearances, but journalism when big fat Lindy mocks a man’s looks.

    minister Scott Morrison said of banished “dating coach” Julien Blanc, “he was putting forward abuse that was derogatory to women and … those values are abhorred in this country.”

    From Crocodile Dundee to crocodile-tear shedding male feminists in one generation. Strewth.

    Pick-up artist culture is steeped in the language of coercion, manipulation, and pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo: women are targets to be hunted, maths equations to be solved, literally objects to be “picked up”. Its explicit objective is to disregard women’s signals, and privilege men’s desire over women’s autonomy.

    And yet, nobody’s trying to pick up Lindy. That must sting.

    The revocation of Blanc’s visa is a powerful, institutional investment in women’s safety.

    The wimmins are strong, independent people who… need men to protect them from cheesy chat up lines. Girl power!

    Taken alongside – just off the top of my head – the broad mainstream rejection of GamerGate’s misogynist subterfuge, last week’s near-universal revulsion at the harassment of ESPN reporter Cari Champion, this week’s wicked trolling of accused serial rapist Bill Cosby, and the still resounding power of #YesAllWomen

    This is the problem with spending all your non-eating time on Twitter, it’s an echo chamber that warps your sense of reality.

    Over the weekend, I had coffee and forty cakes with Susie Lee, an artist who, with partner Katrina Hess, recently developed Siren, part art project, part online dating app. It’s an interesting model that prioritises women’s safety: if you’re a woman, when you sign up and create your profile, you’re invisible to 100% of the men on the site. You can see them, but they can’t see you. As you browse, when you come across men you find interesting or attractive, you can make yourself visible to them.

    Yes, I can see how men would be desperate to sign up to MunterDate. And that’s what this is.

    Attractive women want to show off their attractive pics. And even average women know how to look pretty for a posed shot. The sort of monobrowed she-goliaths who’ll be going on MunterDate aren’t going to attract any but the most desperate and drunkest of men. Here’s a typical scenario of how this will play out:

    Sexystud69 – Hey! I liked your profile. I also like pina coladas and getting caught in the rain. Maybe we should grab a coffee sometime? 🙂

    GigantorWest – Tee hee! My name’s Lindy BTW. Take a look at my pic, handsome x

    Sexystud69 – Sorry. I just remembered I’m gay. Nevermind.

    It’s an incredibly simple idea that solves so many of the problems endemic to the traditional heterosexual dating model

    Ha ha ha! No. It just delays crushing rejection till the moment they see your pics, Lindy. But you could solve your problems with the traditional heterosexual dating model by putting down the pie and getting on a treadmill.

    With Siren, men can only contact women they know are interested, and women can only be contacted by men they like. Everybody wins, it seems.

    Oh, Lindy. Men are visual creatures. It doesn’t matter how interesting you are if you look like King Kong ate Free Willy.

    And there is no reason to turn to pick-up artistry over actual human interaction

    So pick up artists – men who advocate chatting up women in person – are bad. Hiding behind the anonymity of MunterDate is good.

    Feminists are kwayzee.

  13. So pick up artists – men who advocate chatting up women in person – are bad.

    I think the criticism is of the negativity and (in particular) the grabbing and choking nature of the so-called ‘chatting up’.

  14. Stigler,

    > Here’s the answer: go and find a desperate, socially inept man and give him some. Or stop opposing him paying for sex.

    Exactly. Some women are admirably up-front about what they’re really looking for in a man: confidence and assertiveness. Those women tend not to read The Guardian. Far too many women like to go on about how they want a sensitive bookish self-effacing man and then sit around wondering why none of the cripplingly shy guys they claim to be interested in are approaching them to ask them out.

    West is clueless about why Siren will fail. Men can sign up to this dating site and see precisely zero women looking for men, but then sit around hoping that one of the women on the site might see them and graciously give them permission to look at her. West is absolutely correct that this is quite a good analogue of real life, but appears to have missed the fact that people sign up to dating sites precisely because the real-life approach isn’t working for them. Men whose experience is that women who see them then approach them don’t need dating sites. Obviously.

    Most of the dating sites correctly identify this exasperation (on the part of women as well as men) and advertise it as a plus: “Hey, the people on our site actually want to meet other people!” Siren’s genius is in removing that selling point. What’s going to happen to men who sign up to Siren and get zero responses? They’re selling rejection to the rejected.

    One of the things I’m going to be teaching my daughters when they’re old enough is that they should approach men they’re interested in, and thereby bypass all this stupid bullshit.

  15. “like King King ate Free Willy”! I’m sitting in an open-plan office and sniggering. People are looking at me funny.

  16. “I think the criticism is of the negativity and (in particular) the grabbing and choking nature of the so-called ‘chatting up’.”

    I haven’t seen the blokes Japan video and don’t intend to as it is irrelevant. If he has a genuine conviction for rape/sex assault then let him be excluded. What he supposedly did on a video is of zero importance without due process of law. By the way–Japan is a poor choice of country to be a sexual criminal and get caught (esp a gaijin one). Japanese courts almost always convict and have few of even the remaining protections found in the West. And time in a Jap jail as a foreigner convicted of sex attacks on Japanese women would be very hard time indeed.

  17. Rob –

    “Anyone who supports refusing this guy a visa cannot ever, EVER, talk about how bad immigration controls are or how bad other people (the majority of the population) are for wanting to control the borders for whatever reason.”

    Yes, they can; and they will. Unlike you and me, they don’t care about consistency because the important things for such people are to emote and to pose.

    Steve:

    Thank you. Brilliant. I would only add that any man trying to pick up Lindy would soon conclude that he needed a small crane.

  18. Far too many women like to go on about how they want a sensitive bookish self-effacing man…

    …and then in a wonderful display of revealed preferences take home a pissed-up rugby player.

  19. Steve

    Absolutely brilliant -like Custard Cream, I am having to concoct an excuse as to why I am laughing out loud in my open plan office. You have a masterful way of cutting through the BS….

  20. “WE WANT STEVE’S BLOG. YEAH!”

    No..!! Actually, please don’t..

    And the same goes too for lots of other excellent contributors on here – who are witty, mad, bonkers, amusing, ugly, contrary, or just very well informed and lots more…

    That is, Steve, not unless you’ve got loads and loads of spare time, so that you can also continue to post here / cross link and all that guff etc.

    Yes, I know, it’s purely selfish, I like reading this blog..:)

  21. Re women like to be looked at and men like to look, I can’t help noticing that even in something minor like choosing an avatar women often seem to go for a pleasing pic of themselves while men either go for the ‘if seen do not approach’ security pass photo or a picture of something else entirely.

    Speaking which, Ian B, what happened to the moggie?

  22. Based on relative circumference, Lindy’s “personal space” must be most of Crouch End.

    I have to take issue with Squander. If normal dating sites are modeled on teaser rates and sub prime loans then beastmeet.com has a bright future. The likes of Lindy just keep up the monthly subs, while the stunners get hooked up and cancel their subs.

    Not so much if the model is like gym membership but still not entirely hopeless.

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  24. bif,

    “I have to take issue with Squander. If normal dating sites are modeled on teaser rates and sub prime loans then beastmeet.com has a bright future. The likes of Lindy just keep up the monthly subs, while the stunners get hooked up and cancel their subs.”

    At least they’re giving it a shot. They’re not demanding the government sort it out for them, or the “tech community” or Facebook, unlike the Guardian whiners. They might walk away from it a little poorer and a little wiser, or come up with a different idea and become billionaires.

  25. “Its explicit objective is to disregard women’s signals, and privilege men’s desire over women’s autonomy”

    Eh? I used to try to talk girls into bed. It worked quite often but not always. When it did I kind of assumed they were exercising their autonomy. These people are fucking mad.

  26. The Stigler, BraveFart, Custard Cream, Ian B, Theophrastus, Peter S, Tim Newman, Van_Patten, Jack C, PF – thank you chaps 🙂

    Ukliberty – what Mr Ecks said. And also, while I think the self-described pick up artist in question is clownish at best, if “being a bellend” is a reason to cancel someone’s visa, we’ll be turning away maybe half the arrivals at Heathrow.

    The reason he’s been chucked out of Australia and might be refused entry to the UK isn’t because he’s a bellend though. It’s because Twitter feminists have started a campaign against him because he offends them. Not a good basis for political decision making in my view.

    Furthermore, Lindy’s article makes it clear she applies this thinking to all “pick up artists” – the vast majority of whom, I’m sure, do not accost random Japanese women and shout “pikachu”. I’m sure there are a lot of men Big Lin doesn’t want to “share a landmass with”.

    I’m not too keen on her either, but don’t think we should be making those sorts of decisions as a result of outraged hashtags.

  27. So Much for Subtlety

    Steve – “It’s because Twitter feminists have started a campaign against him because he offends them. Not a good basis for political decision making in my view.”

    If they are opposed to people with ungentlemanly views on women, no doubt they will be supporting zero immigration from Pakistan and Somalia and other vibrant places next. After all, to be consistent they would have to oppose dorky White boys breaking free from their shyness just as much as they oppose people of a somewhat dusky hue grooming children for gang rape, right?

    [crickets chirping]

    “the vast majority of whom, I’m sure, do not accost random Japanese women and shout “pikachu”.”

    I am rather tempted to shout pikachu at the next Japanese girl I see. Only mitigated by the fact that it sounds a hell of a lot like sexual assault. And if he did that to my daughter I would beat him to death with a digging implement and bury his body in the back garden. But if they don’t complain and the Japanese police do not charge, does the tree actually make a sound?

  28. He was promoting criminal behaviour (assault). This is accepted grounds for cancelling a visa and the authorities were following precedent as they were required to do.

  29. Steve

    ‘And also, while I think the self-described pick up artist in question is clownish at best, if “being a bellend” is a reason to cancel someone’s visa, we’ll be turning away maybe half the arrivals at Heathrow.’

    One can only imagine the ratio at Ryanair/SleazyJet hubs like Gatwick or Luton – but absolutely agree with the sentiment.

    Reading through the article, even by the standards of CiF the stupidity is so monumental that it’s hard to avoid asking the question – what are the editors thinking? Are they so desperate for content that quite literally anything goes?

    To quote the late Lord Bauer:

    ‘The expression of such sentiments in the so-called ‘quality press’ tells us much about the contemporary intellectual scene.’

    One wonders what he would have made of today’s ‘social media driven age’?

  30. Rousing myself from my customary languor, as they say, and actually googling this guy, it appears hes isn’t a clown but a genuinely nasty piece of work who is advocating (and has committed) assault as a pick up technique.

    He doesn’t actually appear to be teaching PUA at all, that is teaching men to have a bit more self confidence when dealing with women, he is just pandering to men who want to believe the worst about women. I find it hard to believe anyone has had their sex, let alone their love, life improved by this guy.

    So, even though I know they would never dream of reciprocating, (because, patriarchy) I would vote with the fat ugly lesbians on this one.

    Just in case anyone thinks I’m going soft: How do you pick up Lindy West? Well, you have to start by getting her to stand on a pallet…

  31. Roue
    Yes he’s probably a sleazebag. Most motivational speakers are, or at least peddling snake oil. Not a crime, and not a reason to deny a visa.

    Meanwhile, as a gallant commentator I come to the defence of Lindy.
    She’s got big bones
    and
    She can’t look at a cream bun without putting on weight
    and
    She’s got unusual hormones
    and
    It was just after Christmas, that’s why in Steve’s photograph she’s wearing a halloween costume and a fright mask.

  32. BiF,

    Quite agree, being a sleazebag is not a crime. If it were I might find myself in some difficulty. Mr. Hyde ain’t my avatar for nuffin’.

    It was the assault I was picking up on. This guy has apparently grabbed girls in the streets and in shops. He videos it, shows it to his clients and then encourages them to do the same.

    So here’s the thing. I teach in a Thai high school. Convenience store girls here are basically school leavers. They’re kids. They need the job. They don’t need to be grabbed by dickheads.

    Another way of looking at it. OK, his offenses aren’t mega serious, but he is coming to the UK arguably with the intention of committing them. Imaging arriving at Heathrow and putting under reason for visit: ‘shoplifting’.

    So I beseech you, for the sake of the virtue of British womanhood, for the chastity of our once great nation, and so that Sharron and Tracy can go out in their thongs and leggings without having their arses slapped, Tell him to eff orff.

  33. Steve: ‘From Crocodile Dundee to crocodile-tear shedding male feminists in one generation. Strewth.’

    Everyone go home, Steve won the thread again.. 😉

  34. Mr Ecks and Steve, I didn’t suggest Blanc should be excluded, I specifically addressed Steve’s suggestion that “pick- up artists – men who advocate chatting up women in person – are [considered] bad.” I don’t think anyone is critical of “chatting up”; people are critical of ‘negging’ and there are a number of people in even the pua and redpill communities who think Blanc suggests behaviour that’s too aggressive and physical.

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