Timmy elsewhere

At the ASI:

 

Sometimes the left are even correct you know.

16 thoughts on “Timmy elsewhere”

  1. The problem is, even if you avoid the “broken clock” metaphor, that once you are outside the first couple of years of secondary school, getting the right answer, even once, with the wrong working (and in the case of many lefties, blatantly false initial assumptions), simply isn’t sufficient and merely encourages them to bounce to to greater and greater disasters.

  2. So Much for Subtlety

    For we, the consumers, by the very fact that we went shopping at the supermarkets, showed that we liked shopping at supermarkets.

    Did it? I don’t want to defend the Left, but isn’t this a more complex story of trade-offs? Do most people like supermarkets as such? But the low prices, the convenience, the efficiency, makes any other choice impossible. I am sure a lot of people would rather have a personal relationship with their butcher and their grocer, and their fishmonger. But they are willing to trade all of those for the time and money they save going to a large supermarket.

    Britain is full of mildly guilty middle class people. This is why the shopping centre articles run and run and run while Tescos do not, actually, close down.

  3. bloke (not) in spain

    ” I am sure a lot of people would rather have a personal relationship with their butcher and their grocer, and their fishmonger.”
    These people are not your friends. They’re taking your money. Having done small retailing, I can assure you. All customers are c***s & a pain in the a**e. You may have a personal relationship. They don’t.

  4. No, I’d rather just get the produce. I want a personal relationship with friends, and I want a professional relationship with people I do business with. For buying apples, that need go no further than putting a bag of them on the counter, ringing up the price, paying, and going. Punctuated with smiles and thanks, of course, and occasionally the odd comment on the weather, but I have no need nor desire for anything deeper.

  5. SMFS: The low prices, convenience and efficiency are what we like. Sure, we might like other things as well, but revealed preferenes are that we liked the l p, c & e (as well as the massive increase in range of choice of foodstuffs the supermarkets ushered in) more than the personal relationship with the butcher and sundry mongers or than we disliked other things about supermarkets.. Saying we don’t like it if we discount all the factors about it which we like is a wee tad perverse.

  6. B(n)iS: Quite. To probably slight misquote a great man, It is not to the benevolence of the butcher, the baker and the brewer that we owe our dinner, but to their regard to their own self-interest…

  7. SMFS

    Even if some of us did want the butcher and grocer etc; all it takes is for sufficient numbers to prefer the supermarket to make our preference irrelevant, as the small shops are forced out of business.

  8. The Left are still wrong, because the reasons supermarkets are in decline aren’t the reasons they are giving. People aren’t forsaking supermarkets in favour of the local butcher’s shop; they’re swapping one kind of supermarket (out of town, vast range) for another (home delivery, low prices).

    Shopping at Lidl is in no way equivalent to a renaissance of local greengrocers. The mythical high street of our shared memory, with its butchers, bakers, and candlestick-makers, remains a figment of our collective imagination.

  9. bloke (not) in spain

    The curious thing is the big supermarket chains have been desperately trying to forge a personal relationship with their customers. Loyalty cards, the way the on-line retailing system works, less appreciated – the sales analysis which seeks to predict & anticipate customer needs. Lidl, Aldi etc don’t bother. They just stack stuff high & sell it cheap. They work on the basis, you may not have come in wanting cans of tinned tuna & a set of felt tips, but at those prices you’ll leave with them.*

    *Find this with the 99p store. Go in seeking one item. Come out, without it, having spent £6.93 Bilbaoboy probably has the same problem with Chinese Bazaars. Wait ’til you get them, people.

  10. The Left is always wrong. That’s its job in life. It clings to the doctrinal bollocks that replaced the God-bollocks in Western Civilisation.

  11. So Much for Subtlety

    bloke (not) in spain – “These people are not your friends. They’re taking your money. Having done small retailing, I can assure you. All customers are c***s & a pain in the a**e. You may have a personal relationship. They don’t.”

    A personal relationship is not the same as a friendship. I can know my local butcher and still not like him. Perhaps due to the fact that his older brother beat three shades of crap out of me once or twice. Most people like to live in a real community where they actually know people.

    Even if you don’t buy that, a man who is known to you personally is less likely to spit on your mince, or add horse or pass off meat well over due for the dog meat tray. It is logical to know the people whom you trust. Just as the Apollo astronauts made a special effort to meet the guy whose job it was to press the self-destruct button if anything went wrong.

    Pellinor – “No, I’d rather just get the produce. I want a personal relationship with friends, and I want a professional relationship with people I do business with.”

    OK. Fair enough. But as the Guardian shows by constantly re-running these articles, not everyone agrees.

    TomJ – “The low prices, convenience and efficiency are what we like. Sure, we might like other things as well, but revealed preferenes are that we liked the l p, c & e (as well as the massive increase in range of choice of foodstuffs the supermarkets ushered in) more than the personal relationship with the butcher and sundry mongers or than we disliked other things about supermarkets.. Saying we don’t like it if we discount all the factors about it which we like is a wee tad perverse.”

    But I don’t discount them. I say it is a trade off. And notice it is a simple trade off due to the fact that Britain is a high trust society. We don’t assume that our meat is adulterated because we are not that sort of country. If we lived in another sort of country, or more accurately when Britain eventually becomes another sort of country, we may find some things are more important than low prices.

  12. Everything is a complex system of tradeoffs. When Our Genial Host(tm) says “we liked shopping at supermarkets” it would take a rather odd reading not to get the gist that, having taken all the many and varied factors into account, the British People (as a whole, on average or however you want reasonably to interpret the phrase other than “every single British person”) prefered to shop at supermarkets than the various other options open to them. Which may be changing now new options are opening up.

  13. bloke (not) in spain

    @SMfS
    “a man who is known to you personally is less likely to spit on your mince, or add horse or pass off meat well over due for the dog meat tray. ”
    What would we do without the gullible?
    (Work, I suppose.)

  14. There’s an old saying that goes something like: “Never by a used car from a mate.”

    The reason this is good advice is that while you’re saying to yourself: “He’s a good mate, he wouldn’t sell me a piece of crap.”. he’s saying to himself: “He’s a good mate, he won’t mind that the brakes pull to the left, the tyres are nearly done and the old banger leaks half a pint of oil a week on the driveway.”

  15. Bloke in Germany in Taiwan

    I’m waiting for the calls from Unison et al to subsidise the now-threatened, time-honoured, traditional trades of shelf-stacking, telling the entire store that the driver of A123 BCD has left her lights on, and sending people to the wrong aisle.

  16. Good news comrades! Living standards are higher than ever! If you think you can remember carelessly pushing a trolly around the supermarket dropping in to it any item that piqued your fancy and paying by card without even looking at the total, you are a reactionary bastard and will be dealt with accordingly.

    KevinB

    I didn’t see all of the Sopranos, but I clearly remember the advice ‘never lend money to people you can’t beat it out of’.

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