Quite so M’Lud, quite so

Now it seems driven by a fit of panic amongst our present leaders, we are going to see the break up not just the United Kingdom, but even England too. The only gainers would be Our Masters in Brussels who would have achieved one of their great ambitions. The end of a European nation state powerful enough to be prosperous outside the European State.

Norm Tebbit

11 thoughts on “Quite so M’Lud, quite so”

  1. Wow, Tebbit really is doddering badly these days, isn’t he? Is the new Tebbit Test ‘If senile Norman agrees with you, you’re wrong’?

  2. Bang on the money. Wanting a national voice does not mean we want yet more politicians troughing our taxes in regional assemblies. If as an MP you have a devolved assembly where your constituents live, then that is where you should be going to work, not Westminster.

  3. Wow, Tebbit really is doddering badly these days, isn’t he? Is the new Tebbit Test ‘If senile Norman agrees with you, you’re wrong’?

    Bit early isn’t it Dave?

    His point is completely sound, and nothing new; I’m sure you understand it.

    For the EU, the regions are a mechanism for breaking down “national” identity.

    We don’t need England breaking up. The people of the North East (assumed to be the most likely region to say yes) were asked if they wanted an “EU” regional assembly, and they magnificently told Prezza in no uncertain terms to F off…

  4. Dave:(Are you Camoron btw? You appear to have the same EU-sucking mangina “value”-system and it is easy imagine him spending time trolling the Internet when his female owner has booted him out of bed for the millionth time or so for some act of petty failure)

    Tebbit talks more sense in that one paragraph than you have probably encompassed in your entire life to date and yet to come.
    He has one or two eccentric ideas but nobody is perfect.

  5. Whilst I would like to see the death of the nation state (as well as the supranational one), reversing the centralisation of powers (whether it be Westminster or Brussels) and devolving it down to more appropriate levels (be that village, town, city, county or nation) should be done for all, not just, say, Scotland.

  6. PF>

    The statement Tebbit made is plainly nonsense. The gains may be outweighed by the losses, but to pretend there’d be no gainers is facile, if not senile. London would gain greatly if it was able to hive off the deadweight regions, for example.

    The reality is that I both live nearer to, and have more in common with, someone from Amsterdam than someone from Appleby-in-Westmorland, or Brussels and Barrow-in-Furness. Paris is closer than Penzance; the Rhine is closer than the Tyne.

    As you chaps are so fond of pointing out, the urban younger generation shares few views with reactionary ruralites.

  7. “More elected politicians, more officials, more laws, more chief officers earning more than the Prime Minister, more government buildings costing more money and for what?”

    If the answer is more politicians and more bureaucrats, you’ve asked the wrong question.

  8. No problem Dave–get on the train, cross over and don’t come back. Enjoy all the “gains” over there. With your PC suffused persona you already fit right in with the middle-class Marxist elite. Except that believing stupid and evil things sooner or later has consequences as the “younger urban generation” will soon discover.

  9. > London would gain greatly if it was able to hive off the deadweight regions

    London is the capital of those regions. If it were removed, they would presumably create a new capital. And that new capital would no longer obey stupid dictats from London — such as when Labour ordered Birmingham to reverse their economic development.

    Most of London’s workers don’t live in London, incidentally. Not saying they’d all immediately stop working there if it were a different country, but I think assuming there’d be no effect on labour whatsoever is crazy.

  10. Dave

    You are not paying attention.

    Lord Tebbit asked:

    “Who asked the English if they wanted England to be broken up in that way?”

    As I reminded you above, Prezza did. He asked the good people of the north east. They told him very unambiguously NO.

    I’m not sure which part of “NO” you are struggling to follow?

    Listen, I’m really delighted (honestly) that you feel that you have more in common with say Brussels rather than Cumbria (as it happens I know both extremely well, and lovely people both); but I suspect the message from the majority of the rest of us is very likely still the same…

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