UVA and Rolling Stone

The three students agreed to be interviewed on the condition that The Post use the same aliases that appeared in Rolling Stone because of the sensitivity of the subject.

They said there are mounting inconsistencies with the original narrative in the magazine. The students also expressed suspicions about Jackie’s allegations from that night. They said the name she provided as that of her date did not match anyone at the university, and U-Va. officials confirmed to The Post that no one by that name has attended the school.

Also, photographs that were texted to one of the friends showing her date that night were actually pictures depicting one of Jackie’s high school classmates in Northern Virginia. That man, now a junior at a university in another state, confirmed that the photographs were of him and said he barely knew Jackie and hasn’t been to Charlottesville for at least six years.

Hmm.

Randall said he met Jackie shortly after arriving at U-Va. in fall 2012 and the two struck up a quick friendship. He said Jackie was interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with him; he valued her friendship but wasn’t interested in more.

The three friends said Jackie soon began talking about a handsome junior from chemistry class who had a crush on her and had been asking her out on dates.

Intrigued, Jackie’s friends got his phone number from her and began exchanging text messages with the mysterious upperclassman. He then raved to them about “this super smart hot” freshman who shared his love of the band Coheed and Cambria, according to the texts, which were provided to The Post.

“I really like this girl,” the chemistry student wrote in one message. Some of the messages included photographs of a man with a sculpted jaw line and ocean-blue eyes.

In the text messages, the student wrote that he was jealous that another student had apparently won Jackie’s attention.

“Get this she said she likes some other 1st year guy who dosnt like her and turned her down but she wont date me cause she likes him,” the chemistry student wrote. “She cant turn my down fro some nerd 1st yr. she said this kid is smart and funny and worth it.”

Jackie told her three friends that she accepted the upperclassman’s invitation for a dinner date on Friday, Sept. 28, 2012.

Curious about Jackie’s date, the friends said that they tried to find the student on a U-Va. database and social media but failed. Andy, Cindy and Randall all said they never met the student in person. Before Jackie’s date, the friends became suspicious that perhaps they hadn’t really been in contact with the chemistry student at all, they said.

U-Va. officials told The Post that no student with the name Jackie provided to her friends as her date and attacker in 2012 had ever enrolled at the university.

Randall provided The Post with pictures that Jackie’s purported date had sent of himself by text message in 2012. The Post identified the person in the pictures and learned that his name does not match the one Jackie gave friends in 2012. In an interview, the man said he was Jackie’s high school classmate but “never really spoke to her.”

The man said he was never a U-Va. student and is not a member of any fraternity. Additionally, he said that he had not visited Charlottesville in at least six years and that he was in another state participating in an athletic event during the weekend of Sept. 28, 2012.

“I have nothing to do with it,” he said. He said it appears that the circulated photos were pulled from social media Web sites.

After the alleged attack, the chemistry student who Jackie said had taken her on the date wrote an e-mail to Randall, passing along praise that Jackie apparently had for him.

The wheels are rather coming off this one, aren’t they?

The article’s writer, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, did not respond to requests for comment this week.

Rilly?

I have a feeling that one reporter is about to undergo a career change. Possibly next to be spotted on the college lecture circuit ritually intoning that all allegations of rape must be believed as one in five is raped while at college.

47 thoughts on “UVA and Rolling Stone”

  1. For fuck’s sake, has anyone called Dave???

    He has cast-iron proof of the existence of Broculture, and he can nail these rapey bastards to the wall.

    Get him in protective custody away from the Brotriarchy now!

  2. So Much for Subtlety

    I have a feeling that one reporter is about to undergo a career change. Possibly next to be spotted on the college lecture circuit ritually intoning that all allegations of rape must be believed as one in five is raped while at college.

    Naah, the Social Justice [email protected] will protect one of their own. She will get a gig teaching Women’s Studies or some sort of Human Rights job.

  3. If the rape figures were what the femmi-sacks claim –why would any sane woman go to a mixed Uni?. There would be a thriving market in women only colleges with armed brick-shithouse type female security guards everywhere.

    The middle-class Marxist marauders have been getting away with peddling bullshit for so long they don’t figure credibility into the equation any more.

  4. So Much for Subtlety

    Mr Ecks – “There would be a thriving market in women only colleges with armed brick-shithouse type female security guards everywhere.”

    A few more years and that will be all of them. Males are largely shunning universities. No doubt they will do so in larger numbers now.

    If I had a son moving into university sort of ages, I would encourage pretty much anything but – a trade for instance. If they really wanted to go, something still largely male like hard core engineering.

    Marxist ethnic harpies like the author of this have been hounding White English-origin boys for decades. The end result will be an all lesbian and BME campus.

  5. So Much for Subtlety

    While dwelling on the sad little broken head cases who produced this vile blood libel, let us not forget the adults who have been exploiting this for their own crass political gain:

    Sen. Claire McCaskill said at the hearing she is “saddened and angry” about the “bad journalism” in the Rolling Stone article.

    The article was a “setback for survivors in this country,” said McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat. “This is not a crime where you have rampant false reporting and embellishment.”

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., echoed McCaskill’s concerns.

    “Clearly we don’t know the facts of what happened or didn’t happen” in the alleged University of Virginia gang rape case, Gillibrand said. “But these facts have not changed: UVA has admitted that they have allowed students who have confessed to sexually assaulting another student to remain on campus.”

    “I refuse to let this one story become an excuse for Congress not to fix a broken system,” Gillibrand said.

  6. It’s a numbers game. The problem is that in large sample sizes, you will get significant numbers of unlikely events. Let us say that 1 in 10,000 women are of a kind to make false rape claims. This is a very tiny proportion of the population. Nonetheless, in say Britain if there are 30 million women, that corresponds to 3000 false complainants. Furthermore, those prone to such behaviour are the most likely to be both lurid and vocal in the type of claim and promotion of it.

    The actual proportion may be higher.

  7. Don’t forget simple criminality. 2 out of every 100 people is believed to be born a psychopath. That includes plenty of women. Who would be quite happy to claim thousands at least in compo without their identity even being exposed. And who would not give a second thought to the fact that an innocent mans life would be ruined.

  8. I lived in Charlottesville a few years back & had some interactions with UVa. The students I met were normal American kids.
    But ALL of this lot come across as nutters. I mean if you, a bloke, turn a girl down, why do you then track down her next boyfriend & start a text dialogue with him? And do so in conjunction with her other ‘friends’? And why does the BF send them his picture? And WTF do ‘ocean-blue’ eyes have to do with it? And why is the commie Washington Post leading the charge?
    More to this than meets the eye.

  9. I think in fairness to ‘Jackie’ one should include this quote too:

    “She had very clearly just experienced a horrific trauma,” Randall said. “I had never seen anybody acting like she was on that night before, and I really hope I never have to again. . . . If she was acting on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, then she deserves an Oscar.”

    So something nasty appears to have happened, but we don’t seem to be any closer to knowing what.

  10. I think you’ve misunderstood. The implication is that she invented an admirer using pictures taken from the web. That is, she was somebody real who she had known but had barely paid her any attention, so she invented his crush on her. When the friends got texts from him, they were actually from her. Basically, the kind of hilarity ensues farce that used to be dealt with in a half hour of Saved By The Bell, except with an extravagant rape scenario thrown in at the end.

  11. I did not read the RS article until last week, and as one who writes (unpublished) fiction as a hobby, my first reaction was that much of it was pure fiction. Bad fiction. Or, as one commentator suggested, it comes across as the sort of thing you’d find in a Lifetime movie.

    The scene where Jackie is met by her friends in front of the frat house after the rape is an example. The reactions of her friends, as well as the way they express themselves, fails the Believability Test in all respects. Real human beings don’t stand in front of a frat house with a bleeding, physically abused, traumatized friend and engage in a discussion of how reporting an assault/rape is going to affect their social lives.

    Another aspect of the story that rang false centered around the ‘rapists’. As anyone who went to a mid- to large sized university in the U.S. can tell you, the young men who are pledges in any frat barely know each other… if at all. During rush they’ve spent their time talking to members, not each other. The idea that a frat member could get seven young men who don’t know each other (and whom he barely knows himself) to jointly commit the most serious crime save murder simply isn’t believable. Period.

    While the Marcottes and Kohns of the world assume frats are criminal societies, the reality is that they are filled with young men who are preparing to become doctors, lawyers, accountants and such. They aren’t at school to launch their criminal careers.

    Given the Duke case, and what is now happening with the UVa and Lena Dunham cases, it seems clear that radical feminism has weaponized rape. I know that over the past two weeks my own attitude has undergone a fundamental change. I have raised my threshold when it comes believing an accusation of rape: If the victim isn’t willing to file a police report and prosecute, then I’m not willing to believe that accusation. It’s sad that it’s had to come to that, but it has and it isn’t because I’m a brutish male, it’s because I now fully understand to what lengths feminists will go to destroy any male who is unlucky enough to cross their collective path.

  12. > I mean if you, a bloke, turn a girl down, why do you then track down her next boyfriend & start a text dialogue with him?

    Not what happened. She was going on and on about her wonderful new boyfriend; her friends had never seen the guy and wanted to get to know him; she gave them “his” phone number so they could meet via text, which I imagine is not that weird these days (and hey, I can hardly criticise when half the people I know are on the Web). It wasn’t actually his number, so the messages they got were either from her pretending to be her own fake boyfriend or from a conspirator we don’t yet know about. And it looks like the whole scheme was concocted to try and persuade one of her friends, who she fancied but had turned her down, to change his mind out of jealousy. Which, to be fair, has been known to work.

    > So something nasty appears to have happened

    I agree. But then, people who indulge in these sorts of games with others often create situations where nasty things are more likely to happen. For instance, maybe she’d just received a particularly nasty blackmail threat?

  13. Proving the story is fabricated bollocks, however worthy that task, isn’t going to make much of a difference on the political front. The people boosting this story literally do not care whether it is true or not – it does not matter.

    Approaching it from a rational standpoint is like turning up with a racket to play tennis and your opponent has a machine gun.

  14. > I know that over the past two weeks my own attitude has undergone a fundamental change. I have raised my threshold when it comes believing an accusation of rape

    Well, incentives matter. I do believe that women used to lie about rape very very rarely, because there was no reward in doing so. The problem here — as in so many areas of politics — lies in assuming that behaviour does not change when everything else does.

    See also: of course employers will continue to give all graduates very very highly paid jobs when there are ten times as many graduates.

  15. Not entirely unrelated: I notice that some sort of sexual-misbehaviour allegation in UKIP has unravelled to an extent that is highly entertaining. Note to malefactors: if you are going to make a false claim to have attended an Oxford College, first learn to spell its name.

  16. “I do believe that women used to lie about rape very very rarely, because there was no reward in doing so.” The fact that they are now offered anonymity removes much of the risk of making a false accusation. A cynic might wonder whether that was the point of introducing the anonymity.

  17. @Interested – obviously my comment was ironic. I merely failed in my half-hearted attempt to maintain the irony.

    @Dennis
    “While the Marcottes and Kohns of the world assume frats are criminal societies, the reality is that they are filled with young men who are preparing to become doctors, lawyers, accountants and such. ”

    Doctors, lawyers and accountants? No, they can’t be criminal societies at all!

  18. Just as a general point, the reason feminists find it plausible that a bunch of male acquaintances would casually indulge in a monstrous criminal act together is based on the class conspiracy theory I mentioned in another thread; all men are in it together, part of a conspiracy of abuse by dint of their nature as men.

    See also: “All Jews…”

  19. All men are certainly in it together. Take my local. Some of the regulars might annoy the fuck out of me but should a pretty young girl walk in I’m sure we would all immediately form a rape gang, coz we is blokes.

  20. The idea of incentives, or rather the New Left’s opinion of them, is interesting. They have been fantastically successful in simultaneously claiming that incentives do not matter in the most basic human situations, yet for Big Business and other Evils the most far-fetched imaginary incentives are concrete and overpowering.

    They have spent thirty years turning reality on its head and judging by public attitudes and culture they have succeeded.

  21. bloke (not) in spain

    “the reason feminists find it plausible that a bunch of male acquaintances would casually indulge in a monstrous criminal act together” is they would.

  22. Bloke in Costa Rica

    The fake internet boyfriend gambit has a sufficiently well-established pedigree as to have coined its own slang term: catfishing.

    Note on catfishing: cats are difficult bait animals and should be reserved for only the largest catches like marlin or tarpon.

  23. BIG –

    “Doctors, lawyers and accountants? No, they can’t be criminal societies at all!”

    Careful… that’s the sort of thing Richard Murphy would say.

  24. “All men are certainly in it together. Take my local. Some of the regulars might annoy the fuck out of me but should a pretty young girl walk in I’m sure we would all immediately form a rape gang, coz we is blokes.”

    That’s silly. Why would you rape a stranger when you can go home and rape the wife?

  25. How did Roger Bird with his PPE from Oxford not realize that the women he was shagging hadn’t herself done a PPE at Oxford, as she claimed? Could’t have been much talking going on.

  26. So Much for Subtlety

    Dennis The Peasant – “That’s silly. Why would you rape a stranger when you can go home and rape the wife?”

    Well you know how it is, after a decade of raping the wife, it gets a little same-old same-old. You need to mix it up a little.

    In other related media news, Britain’s biggest media twat Alan Rusbridger is stepping down to spend more time with his off-shore tax shelter:

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/12/8558245/alan-rusbridgers-20-year-emguardianem-editorship-nears-its-end

    Which follows nicely from a massive management re-structure at that sewer Gawker following their GamerGate Social Justice Warrior Attack-fest went badly wrong:

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/12/8558320/gawker-discusses-cost-gamergate

    If your editorial budget is $14 million dollars and calling your customers creepy wannabe rapists costs you a “seven figure sum”, it is probably time for a management shake out. Media outlets rarely do well by calling their readers rude names.

    Couldn’t happen to a nice bunch of people.

  27. So Much for Subtlety

    Ian B – “all men are in it together, part of a conspiracy of abuse by dint of their nature as men.”

    And the seriously mentally ill end of the feminist spectrum is open about saying this. Let me introduce you to one of the most horrible women in Silicon Valley, Shanley Kane:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/10/The-Madness-Of-Queen-Shanley

    But why would technology companies act against their best interests and not hire and promote competent women or people from other marginalized groups?

    It comes down to what their interests actually are. If their interests were better serving the world, using technology as a force for social justice, and equitably distributing technology wealth to enrich society … sure, they’d be acting against their interests. But the reality is that tech companies centralize power and wealth in a small group of privileged white men. When that’s the goal, then exploiting the labor of marginalized people and denying them access to power and wealth is 100 percent in line with the endgame. A more diverse tech industry would be better for its workers and everyone else, but it would be worse for the privileged white men at the top of it, because it would mean they would have to give up their monopoly on money and power. And they will fight that with everything they’ve got, which is why we see barriers to equality at every level of the industry.

    So Ms Kane seriously believes that a tech start-up would refuse to hire a woman or a Black because although they might profit *as*individuals*, they would suffer as a group of older White males. It is a vast conspiracy where White men have enough class, sex and racial solidarity to sacrifice their own interests for the greater good.

  28. So Much for Subtlety

    So the US Department of Justice quietly adds to the debate:

    http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/11/new-doj-data-on-sexual-assaults-college-students-are-actually-less-likely-to-be-victimized/

    The full study, which was published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a division within DOJ, found that rather than one in five female college students becoming victims of sexual assault, the actual rate is 6.1 per 1,000 students, or 0.61 percent (instead of 1-in-5, the real number is 0.03-in-5). For non-students, the rate of sexual assault is 7.6 per 1,000 people.

    As I have said, Western men are the nicest on the planet. It looks like White middle class men are even nicer.

    Not that this will make one bit of difference. Universities have let themselves be shaken down by race hustlers and all sorts of charlatans since the 1960s. They are a target for more shaking down now. They should not have paid the Danegeld and set up “African American Studies” centres back in the days of Black Power. However useful that was to their athletics programmes.

  29. The wonder of Shanley Kane isn’t that she’s as batshit crazy as she is, it’s that the so-called geniuses of Silicon Valley actually take her quite seriously. Here in the less genius filled environs of Central Ohio, any 27 year-old goth Betty Boop who carried on like Kane would be mocked into a coma and then shipped to Berkeley in chains.

  30. The wonder of Shanley Kane isn’t that she’s as batshit crazy as she is, it’s that the so-called geniuses of Silicon Valley actually take her quite seriously.

    Better to have one ranting nutter that thinks she’s being taken seriously, than having dozens of them picket your office because they think you don’t “care”.

  31. Yep, if you don’t kowtow and pay up things can get seriously nasty very quickly. And don’t expect the media to portray you in a realistic light, no matter how crazy your opponents are.

  32. Apparently the Rolling Stone ‘rape’ girl (whose name has been revealed as Jackie Coakley) has a previous history as a rape activist.

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