Well, Sergei, isn’t that a question for Ukraine?

Russia said on Thursday that Ukraine’s pursuit of Nato membership posed a danger to European security and threatened to sever its remaining ties to the Atlantic military alliance.

Ukraine’s parliament renounced the country’s neutral status on Tuesday in a significant step towards joining Nato.

Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, said the West was using Ukraine’s Nato bid to fuel confrontation between Russia and its neighbour.

“There are a few Western countries that want to maintain the crisis in Ukraine and to maintain and boost the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia, including through provocative efforts towards membership in the Atlantic alliance,” he said.

“The very idea of Ukraine’s efforts to join Nato are dangerous, not only for Ukrainian people, because there is no unity over that issue, it is dangerous for European security,”

You know, rather than Russia?

Yeah, yeah, we know, Russians don’t think the Ukraine can ever really be independent. Russia is the big brother, Ukraine the little and that’s just the way it should be. But Ukraine also has a just and righteous say in this arrangement and it seems that they don’t entirely agree….

10 thoughts on “Well, Sergei, isn’t that a question for Ukraine?”

  1. The irony is that beforehand Ukraine would have been divided over NATO membership and would have been keen to maintain ties with Russia. And then Russia annexed the most pro-Russian region and turned the remaining Russian strongholds into another Transdniestra (although not before wrecking them) leaving behind a Ukraine which is decisively anti-Russian. As somebody said on my blog, Putin is good at tactics but utterly inept at strategy.

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    Tim Newman – “As somebody said on my blog, Putin is good at tactics but utterly inept at strategy.”

    Unfortunately the idiots we have running the West seem dedicated solely to making him look good.

  3. Putin is just acting as if he was a Soviet, however without all the useful idiots in the West hanging on his every word, excusing his every move, and providing justification for him.

    It’s fascinating watching Soviet-style strategy panning out without the Western left-wing PR machine shilling for him.

  4. As Gary Kasparov said somewhere recently, if Obama and Cameron had been running things in the 80’s, he’d still be playing chess for the Soviet Union.

  5. Not to get too far off the point, but why would NATO accept Ukraine for membership in the first place, n matter what they want? What exactly would they be bringing to the mutual defense table? It’s not a fucking gentlemen’s club. The US especially should be saying ‘back when you guys ran half the world, this mattered to us. Now that there’s China, Japan, India, SE Asia, we just don’t need you that badly. Fuck off.’

    NATO seems to outlived it’s original, unspoken purpose – to ‘keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down”.

    Seriously – does anyone see German/French/Belgian troops marching into the Ukraine to repel a Russian invasion?

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    Ltw – “Not to get too far off the point, but why would NATO accept Ukraine for membership in the first place, n matter what they want? What exactly would they be bringing to the mutual defense table?”

    They will be pushing the Russian border back another few hundred kilometres, plus a more stable Ukraine means less problems for the rest of Europe.

    “NATO seems to outlived it’s original, unspoken purpose – to ‘keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down”.”

    I disagree. The Cold War is over but we still need the US in Europe, the Russians out and the Germans down. Or at least most people think so.

    “Seriously – does anyone see German/French/Belgian troops marching into the Ukraine to repel a Russian invasion?”

    Can you see the Russians marching into Ukraine to confront German troops? I can’t see the French or Belgians defending their own countries, but that is not the point. It just raises the stakes if Russia wants to play nasty.

    Edward M. Grant – “Bingo. Does anyone really think the average Briton or American is eager to die in a nuclear fireball to keep Putin out of Ukraine?”

    The average Briton wasn’t keen to die for the Sudentenland either.

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    Luke – “And none did. Poland maybe.”

    Poland ended up pretty much where it started so not for Poland either.

    But you are missing the point. British people choose not to die for the Czechs. So they got to die for the Poles instead. Refusing to die to Ukraine doesn’t mean British people abed are sleeping safe does it?

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