Bollocks!

This is lies!

Pressure to review prostitution laws is coming from an EU anti-trafficking directive that obliges member states to “reduce demand” for human trafficking. Given that at least 70 per cent of trafficking in Europe is into forced prostitution, a lot of people are arguing that the best way to reduce demand for trafficking is to reduce demand for prostitution. And one way to do that is to criminalise the buyer.

Seriously, this is out and out lying.

Sex trafficking statistics are frustratingly incomplete, but a recent report estimated the number of victims in Europe at 270,000.

Total bollocks.

Myria Vassiliadou, the EU anti-trafficking co-ordinator, tells me about a Nigerian woman she met recently in London. This woman was trafficked to Britain where she served up to 20 clients a day. “She was telling these clients that she didn’t want to be there, that she was forced and that she would be killed if she didn’t do what the traffickers said. She told the men and the men would say, ‘I don’t care. I paid for this.’”

Sounds most unlikely really.

Forced prostitution comes in many guises. Some women are kidnapped, others are tricked with the promise of jobs as nannies or waitresses. Others choose to work as prostitutes but have no idea of the conditions that await them. Often, a woman’s pimps or traffickers are people from her own town. They know where her family lives and aren’t afraid of harming them in order to control her. Sometimes it’s the families who pressure girls into prostitution in the first place – unable, or unwilling, to think of another way for a woman to earn a living.

It’s only the kidnapped which meets the definition of trafficked. And that’s bloody rare too, thankfully.

31 thoughts on “Bollocks!”

  1. “She was telling these clients that she didn’t want to be there, that she was forced and that she would be killed if she didn’t do what the traffickers said.”

    Someone needs to go on a customer services course!

  2. Normally I agree with you on this, Tim, but this:

    others are tricked with the promise of jobs as nannies or waitresses

    can meet the definition of trafficking as well. If they can’t return home (because the traffickers hold their passports and won’t give them back, or whatever) then they’re trafficked just as surely as the ones bundled into a boot.

  3. We live in strange times.

    Those who rule us can lie – and in this case Vassiliadou is quite clearly creating a work of fiction – quite outrageously, but as long as it fits the accepted narrative, the mob are quite happy to spend a lot of their money on a non-existent problem.

    But, as Cumberbund found, one “wrong” (in the sense of UnPC) word, regardless of the point of your discourse, can bring your world crashing round your ears as the mob bay for your blood.

    When you read what he said, he was quite clearly preaching against what he saw as suppression of a class of people. But the message was ignored and the messenger duly winged on the fly, because he used an “incorrect” collective noun.

    I quite clearly remember Muhummad Ali saying that he entered a white-only burger bar and was told “We don’t serve coloureds” whereupon the great man retorted “I don’t eat ’em either, now gimme a cheeseburger!” That was on Parky. I wonder what the response nowadays would be?

  4. “She was telling these clients that she didn’t want to be there, that she was forced and that she would be killed if she didn’t do what the traffickers said”

    Most depressing blowjob ever.

    Yes it does sound unlikely. Especially the part about every single one of her clients being a heartless bastard. I doubt men who frequent prostitutes are much, if any, less compassionate than the average man.

    BTW, I assume the EU arranged a flight back to Nigeria for this poor trafficked woman?

  5. All lies. The White Slavery Panic repeated. This is Feminism; lying to impose puritanism. It has no other purpose. They are all liars. They know they’re lying, and they just don’t care.

    Instead of evidence, they use unverifiable testimony, as in this example, and as with their evangelical forebears. They want the Nordic Model and, no doubt after a pretence of “debate”, they will get it. Although to be fair, it ought to be called the American Model, the heartland of criminalising clients and, indeed, the philosophical heartland of Neo-Progressivism in general.

    Nobody does puritanism like the Yanks. They banned beer for fuck’s sake.

  6. bloke (not) in spain

    Well, at least the trafficked figures are getting a little more believable. Wasn’t long ago it was being claimed there were more than 270K in Germany alone. And that’s without the one-in-fifty of UK women between 18 & 30 who were Vietnamese nailbar girls.
    But when oh when will these bleeding hearts get their heads around the inescapable truth. Hookers lie. Lying is the whole basis of the business. Starting with the big two. That she actually wants to hump the punter. Told credibly enough he lies to himself he believes her.
    And there has never been, in the whole history of prostitution outside of Nigeria, such a thing as a Nigerian hooker. And possibly in Nigeria as well. There is no Nigerian working girl who has ever admitted to being Nigerian. Anything but Nigerian. Jamaican. Senegalese, Cuban, bloody Eskimo (knowing Nigerians). But never ever Nigerian. I mean, ask yourself. If offered, would you? If she’s saying she’s Nigerian she’s from somewhere else.

  7. 270,000? I bet there are more than that trafficked to soccer stadium construction sites. But they are men, so that’s OK.

  8. BN(I)S–It isn’t the sex workers telling the lies–it is the Senior Anti-sex League who are telling the lies.

    Again Maggie McNeil has chapter and verse on the sex trafficking lies–I was going to call it nonsense–it is–but it is also too dangerous to be just dismissed like that.

    https://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/

  9. Girl A – It’s a fair cop, I am an illegal immigrant.

    official response – deportation.

    Girl B – I have been illegally sex trafficked against my will by evil heartless men. I am a victim.

    official response – tea, sympathy, house benefits

  10. If they are from the EU–they aren’t illegals–but they may not be the sharpest or best informed of ladies and the bluebottles may threaten them with a deportation that could not actually be done. Would still be an effective tactic if the women don’t realise that.

  11. Matthew L – If they’ve had their passports withheld, that doesn’t stop them going to the police, or even just going to their nation’s embassy to get a new passport.

  12. The most serious implication of moves to criminalize the buyer is that in the situation described, a man who went to the police having been told by a girl that she’d been trafficked would himself be arrested.

    Trafficked girls are pretty rare, but lets remove the main way that they could be rescued. Go puritans!

  13. bloke (not) in spain

    “BN(I)S–It isn’t the sex workers telling the lies–it is the Senior Anti-sex League who are telling the lies”

    Closer to the truth would be it’s in the Anti-sex League’s interest to believe every bit of bullcack they’re told. And positively encourage bullcack production. Of which the supply’s infinite.

    For instance:
    All working girls have at least three names. There’s the working name. There really aren’t that many girls get christened Trixie. Then there’s the name that’s their real name when the punter asks her real name. Behind that. Somewhere. If she can remember. There’s the name on her birth certificate. Or possibly not.
    All working girls have an indeterminate number of children, aged mothers, violent boyfriends all depending on her support. Numbers, location, sexes, ages can change in adjoining sentences of the same conversation according to need.
    All working girls are permanently in constant demand at all times of the day & night despite never actually earning any money, so needing more of yours.
    All working girls are as much a believer in their own bullcack as anyone else. It’s their basic survival strategy. If they ever confronted reality they’d get other employment.

  14. bloke (not) in spain

    “If they’ve had their passports withheld, that doesn’t stop them going to the police, or even just going to their nation’s embassy to get a new passport.”

    I think you need to confront the reality, the places these girls come from, the police & government agencies are not generally regarded as your best friends in time of need. Or at any time. For thus is the world beyond these shores. (Or within them for that matter)

  15. Well, BnIS certainly has a lot of expertise, or has read a lot of penny dreadfuls, one or the other. Meanwhile, we get back to the fact that this line of bullcack has been consistently emanating from the feminist/social purity/anti-sex league/whatever movement since the Victorian Era, it is identical to the narrative peddled then- they copied it from their earlier success outlawing slavery, hence “white slavery” and the images of girls chained in ships’ holds transported to their ruin- and a quick perusal of Jane Addams’ magnum opus on the subject will show you that.

    The prostitutes don’t need to invent anything, even if there are. There is a well funded, well networked movement generating the narrative. The first international agency- precursor of the UN one and EU ones- was founded in the League Of Nations. This is nothing new. However, being in a second Progressive Era now- which they’ve bolted together since the 1970s, more professional and well funded than the comparatively amateurish first version- the narratives of the White Slavery campaigners are in the ascendent again. That’s all.

  16. JuliaM – ha! Yes.

    But if a chap’s into reluctant sex with a woman who despises him, he could just get married.

  17. And there has never been, in the whole history of prostitution outside of Nigeria, such a thing as a Nigerian hooker. And possibly in Nigeria as well. There is no Nigerian working girl who has ever admitted to being Nigerian.

    Very good point, excellent point.

    (Although the Nigerian working girls in Nigeria do say they’re from Nigeria as the lie would be so completely pointless and unbelievable that they’d be as well saying they were Icelandic.)

  18. All working girls have at least three names. There’s the working name. There really aren’t that many girls get christened Trixie. Then there’s the name that’s their real name when the punter asks her real name.

    Heh! So true!

  19. Apparently, if the girl is Nigerian you take her bank account details and promise to transfer FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS DISCRETION ADVISED at some future date.

  20. bloke (not) in spain

    @TimN
    This intrigues me:

    “Although the Nigerian working girls in Nigeria do say they’re from Nigeria”

    I’ve a strong suspicion there’s places in Nigeria, Nigerian working girls are never from. And are thus, always from somewhere else. .*

    “.. as the lie would be so completely pointless and unbelievable ..”

    When has that ever been an obstacle to a Nigerian?

    *For Ian’s benefit: Information gleaned from the considerable body of Nigerianas patrol our town’s Puerto area in constant hope of inebriated Brit golfers. Believe me. Don’t be tempted. Golf’s not to be recommended.

  21. “But if a chap’s into reluctant sex with a woman who despises him, he could just get married.”

    Steve wins the thread, yet again.

  22. Apologies Steve, but you’re wrong on this occasion.

    The punter may not want to spend that much, or that often.

  23. I’ve a strong suspicion there’s places in Nigeria, Nigerian working girls are never from.

    Probably. I never had so much as more than a 10 second conversation with one of them, but a lot of people I knew used to drag them home and they never denied they were Nigerian…but most likely said they were from somewhere else.

    My guess is they’d say they were from Lagos or Abuja. In my experience of (non-Nigerian) working girls they are mostly from villages in the middle of nowhere but like to claim they are from big cities. I once bumped into a seriously shifty-looking Thai girl in a bar in Eindhoven and I asked where she was from. Bangkok she said. Aye, and so am I.

  24. bloke (not) in spain

    @TimN
    For some reason, Benin seems to be .a popular claim. Although the Benin described seems to have acquired a coast.

    I refer you to the second item in my comment.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    And. From the archive: http://s15.postimg.org/r5tr1hvpn/P2010002.jpg (Yes, it is family safe)

    The delightful Lia Ogie. Well, Lia Ogie, anyway. (Possibly from Benin) The reality. All 20€ worth of her.

    Who is not trafficked. Or under duress. Although is probably illegal. And makes a pretty good house-cleaner, if you need one. (Although I wouldn’t be leaving too many valuables about.)

    Which is what pisses me most greatly. These girls are not playing walk-on parts in some professional campaigner’s persecution fantasies. They’re real people trying to hustle a bit better life for themselves than where they came from. They find things quite tough enough without it being made worse for them. Supposedly in their interests.

    Thought you might like to meet her.

  25. You may be reading more into a girl’s claimed origin than is warranted. Here in Thailand a girl wanting to try her luck in the bar girl trade will do so in some other town. Then if it doesn’t work out, i.e. nailing down a wealthy sponsor, she can go home and no one is any the wiser. So they really are telling the truth that none of them come from ‘here’. I can’t believe this is the only place where that is true.

  26. bloke (not) in spain

    Your comment, R le J, illustrates the dangers of bringing your middle class thinking to the subject. Where most of these girls come from no-one gives a flying fuck that they’re whoring. Particularly with Thais, the daughter of the family going off to sell her ass is a recognised source of family income. They’d just be very pleased & proud she isn’t working the truck stop down the road & has cracked Eindhoven.

  27. Benin’s got a coast: it’s the bit of Africa that used to be called Dahomey by its inhabitants and the Slave Coast by the Europeans going there to buy the captives the Dahomey had taken. Were you confusing it with Burkina Faso?

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