Timmy elsewhereJanuary 25, 2015 Tim WorstallTimmy Elsewhere20 CommentsAt the ASI. Beware regulations! previousJumped or pushed?nextBlimey 20 thoughts on “Timmy elsewhere” Bloke in Germany January 25, 2015 at 10:57 am Aha, but Tim, this is not regulations, it is the high degree of bindingness of preceding cases in common law jurisdictions. Something which, if I recall correctly, you are a big fan of. Even though it means that, rather than just 600-odd legislators, there are literally hundreds of thousands of lawyers, plaintiffs, judges, magistrates and so on conspiring every day to make thousands of these obscure laws in little courtrooms up and down the country, which we all have to follow. And while you can bonfire regulations, bonfiring case law is rather harder, in such places that admit of it. In civil code places like Germany, while precedent isn’t completely worthless, it’s only really top court decisions that create a really binding precedent. Those top courts being not very big they can only issue a handful of controversial decisions a year. bloke (not) in spain January 25, 2015 at 11:40 am To echo BiG & hence my paean to bureaucrats on the recent deportation thread. At least with bureaucrats, their regulations & decisions there is a connection, through the elected politicians who appoint them, to the public. At least you can replace them in an election or fire them. When it’s a matter of courts, judges & lawyers everything ends up serving the serving the interests of courts, judges & lawyers. Which, under our system, are irreplaceable, unaccountable & invulnerable. There’s no democracy & freedom withing the law. It’s the antithesis of “two adults agreeing between themselves” Mr Ecks January 25, 2015 at 12:22 pm Are you aware Tim that hairdressers–or their “association” are now trying to have hairdressing (presumably men’s barbers as well) made into a fucking “licenced” trade-ie cut hair without govt approval=get arrested. The scum of the state just lap this shit up. Greedy fucks keep competition out of the market and the scum create a world where you need a licence to sweep the street. Then you have to be part of their system, kiss their arse–from day one as a kid or you are a non-person. Hence the 4 year olds with “racist” on their school records. When they are all grown up they won’t get their licence to breathe, take a piss etc and any non-conformers/rebels are already identified and marginalised right from the off. Bloke in Germany January 25, 2015 at 12:29 pm To come back to the case in point, the courts ought to be better at recognising when they are being taken for a ride on the compensation bandwagon rather than addressing a genuine grievance which the parties cannot resolve among themselves. Use of the legal system to obtain compensation, when you know you are setting someone up to have to pay it, ought to be treated as fraud. If several employees pull the same stunt at the same time you can bet there was advance knowledge of this little trick. Mr Ecks January 25, 2015 at 12:49 pm Hundreds of years of UK common law had fuck all to say about dinnertimes. This is precedent arising out of nannying dictatorial legislation. Abolish the dictates then the case law becomes moot to say the least. The issue is state meddling not lawdogs bringing home the bacon for themselves yet again. Gamecock January 25, 2015 at 1:43 pm Mr Ecks, we’ve had it here for a long time: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/POL/Cosmetology/ I am exceedingly amused by the “you must complete 12 hours of approved South Carolina Board of Cosmetology continuing education classes.” Apparently, “Hair cuttery has changed since you last got your license.” And, yes, it’s not to protect the customers, it’s to protect the hair cutters from competition. The Stigler January 25, 2015 at 2:20 pm But what happens to those young workers? If they’re seasonal, presumably the employment contract specifically states that it’s work for a few months of that year. If one of these litigants knocks on your door again next year, you’re going to tell them to go fuck themselves, aren’t you? If you’re talking to a buddy and he says he’s looking for a worker for some autumnal work, you’re not going to recommend some litigious cunt to him, are you? If you wanted to be really mean, you could post their names and photos on a website (and just the factual information about the case and their names) and let Google hoover them up for any further employee who types in their name. The Stigler January 25, 2015 at 2:29 pm Gamecock/Mr Ecks, And yet, how many A&E departments are full of people with hairdressing injuries? I was thinking the other day as I was getting a new tyre fitted that there is absolutely no regulation of people doing this. Potentially, it’s rather dangerous. If they don’t put the wheel on properly, it could fall off and cause a serious accident. But we don’t have pile-ups as a result of improperly fitted tyres. People self-regulate – they go to a guy that they trust to advise them on tyres, sell them a good one and fit it properly. Mr Ecks January 25, 2015 at 2:36 pm Gamecock: You do have it already. But you also have people who see wha’ts going on and are trying to stop it. So: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr8qHv4hCVw Mr Ecks January 25, 2015 at 2:38 pm And this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQscE3Xed64 Gamecock January 25, 2015 at 3:01 pm Stig, John Stossel calls it “Spontaneous Order.” People tend to operate within their bounds. Gamecock January 25, 2015 at 3:17 pm The sad truth is that people like a strong, autocratic central government. One that will take action on things they want acted on. One that can right a wrong, one that will protect them from unscrupulous businesses, one that tries to achieve fairness. Whatever the hell that is. “But we do say that we need to carefully consider who is doing the regulating.” Government will act for whatever constituency will help the governers. The Hair Cutters Assoc. is a constituency. People with hair is not. The vast, regulated public is not a constituency. Unless specific constraints are placed on government, it will expand to the death of the host organism. It will not restrain itself. There are incentives to regulate, and none for not regulating. By the way, a strong, autocratic central government is the definition of FASCISM. People like fascism; many like it more than freedom/liberty. Tim Newman January 25, 2015 at 3:26 pm Gamecock, I had you pinged for South Carolinan a while back by your handle, and now I know. 🙂 Good buddy of mine from Lancaster, SC is ex-USC and is always banging on about the Gamecocks. Abacab January 25, 2015 at 3:57 pm Hope the business owner managed to sue the lawyer who advised his client so as to entrap him. Mr Ecks January 25, 2015 at 4:56 pm Gamecock: “The sad truth is that people like a strong, autocratic central government” I think you are probably correct. However the present levels of human progress have arrived because of freedom and we are now living on the borrowed time that the remnants of that freedom are providing. Tyrannical societies, be they communist, fascist or any other type of socialist/statist abuse will not be prosperous in the short, middle or long term. Venezuela is a living example of that. You can point to Chile/China as example of politically repressed but economically free societies. But those are societies in transition not fixed conditions. Economic freedom brings not just prosperity but sooner or later all the other freedoms with it. The average idiot may prefer a boot on his neck. But under true tyranny he had best prepare for grinding life-long poverty as well. He can’t have it both ways. The Stigler January 25, 2015 at 10:54 pm Mr Ecks, “Economic freedom brings not just prosperity but sooner or later all the other freedoms with it.” I read some academic papers about the causes of democracy and it’s not so much about wealth, it’s about the growth in the economic power of the individual, and that’s mostly come from industrialisation. So, countries like South Korea and Taiwan industrialised in the post-war era, and relatively soon after, became democracies. Same as the UK (if you consider democracy as after the Reform Acts). It’s why nation building and the Bush doctrine of planting a seed of democracy just isn’t going to work in most of the Middle East. Nearly all the productive wealth is dug out of the ground. That means the government is very powerful compared to the people. Egypt is probably the best hope in the region. It doesn’t have a lot of oil, but it is growing as an industrial nation. And it’s why we should trade with countries like China. Because it encourages industrialisation, and that brings democracy. john77 January 26, 2015 at 1:23 am @ The Stigler Democracy is bit older than industrialisation. Iceland has had it for about one thousand years – Athens had it (albeit adult-male-citizen-only) well over two thousand years ago. The rest of your argument seems quite reasonable though Ljh January 26, 2015 at 7:54 am “Markets are, after all, just the interaction of voluntary behaviour and surely we can trust two adults to agree between themselves ” Problem is too many people do not want to be adults and want the state to do the grown up stuff for them. Gamecock January 26, 2015 at 2:37 pm Tim Newman January 25, 2015 at 3:26 pm ================== I’m not far from Lancaster. I play golf there occasionally. Tim Newman January 26, 2015 at 4:58 pm I’m not far from Lancaster. I play golf there occasionally. Okay! He’s from Fort Lawn exactly, but I met him in Lancaster. I liked the Carolinas a lot. 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