Cretin Alert!

From April, all Scottish health boards (bar one, NHS Lothian) will ban the use of e-cigarettes on NHS premises. The move makes perfect sense, and falls firmly into line with current NHS policies relating to other nicotine-laden items.

Gross, idiot, stupidity.

By banning both cigarettes and e-cigarettes from hospital grounds, they claim, NHS boards are removing a critical incentive for nicotine addicts to switch over to “less harmful” e-cigs. But should we really be encouraging smokers to make that switch?

Yes.

One of the most dangerous aspects of your typical, run-of-the-mill cigarette is the tar-filled smoke you’re inhaling with each puff. That tar may contain up to 7,000 different toxins, which are otherwise found in everything from rat poison to nail polish. E-cigs, on the other hand, produce a light, tar-free vapour. But this doesn’t necessarily make them any safer.

Complete, total, utter, cuntery.

No matter how you choose to dress it up, nicotine is nicotine, and public health is public health. Let’s not confuse the two.

Hang the bastard.

Happily, the comments section seems to agree with me.

28 thoughts on “Cretin Alert!”

  1. Radioactive waste contains deadly fission products. Steam on the other hand contains only water. This doesn’t necessarily make steam safer than radioactive waste.

    The level of dishonesty from the tobacco temperance mob is beyond belief.

  2. Perhaps it is my pathological detestation of Blair that’s influencing me, but I do think this type of lying rose to its current dizzying heights from the seeds sown in 1997.

    I’ll never forget Harman reducing Ed Sturton on the Today programme to a state of utter confusion and bewilderment by denying she had said something in the Commons when she was on video showing that, yes, she had said that.

    And it worked. Her bare-faced lies enabled her to endure the programme with her reputation (!) intact. Ultimately, it cost Sturton his job, even though, with magnificent self-control, he refrained from grabbing her hair and pounding her face into the desk.

  3. I’m a non – smoker, but I get mightily pissed off by these zealots. Hang the facts, let our prejudices guide us instead.

  4. This level of lying has been pretty much standard for the entire history of the Progressive and pre-Progressive movements since the 19th century; it was primary alcohol temperance back then. But the same lie, lie and lie again principle has been in use for a very long time. The same thing as with the modern sex trafficking lies, which are the same as the “White Slavery” lies of a century and more ago. It seems new because there was a lull in the relatively liberal post-war period when Progressivism was less influential.

  5. bloke (not) in spain

    It’s not the bullshit.
    It’s that people will meekly give into this bullshit without the slightest demur. I’ve several times had complaints about my E-cigarette. I’ve found a strong fuck off is remarkably effective.

  6. Bloke in North Dorset

    It really is difficult to tell who are the nastiest authoritarian shits, the left or the right.

    When it was all about aids and drug users the left were pushing needle exchanges on the basis of lest harm done, whilst being fierily opposed by the right..

    Now the least harm principle is applied to their bêtes noires they show their true colours.

  7. “That tar may contain up to 7,000 different toxins, … E-cigs, on the other hand, produce a light, tar-free vapour. But this doesn’t necessarily make them any safer.”

    The reverse logic of this being that if you took an e-cig and added those 7,000 toxins in, it wouldn’t make them any more harmful. Hooray!

  8. Oddly, nicotine patches are not banned, even though they deliver the same “deadly poison” as e-cigs. I assume he doesn’t even mention them, but I can’t tell because scrolling halfway down the page kills my browser, as the Guardian website is shit.

    Still, patches are a gold mine for Big Pharma, funders of many ‘Public Health’ rackets, so perhaps not surprising.

    I did laugh at his rather desperate play about not trusting the pharmacist to fill ‘unbranded’ (gasp!) cartridges correctly. Weak, so weak. He doesn’t seem to consider that if you can’t trust a pharmacist to place some liquid in a small container how can you trust them with prescriptions of a decidedly lethal nature?

    Then again maybe he did and he is a devious shit.

  9. “In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…”

    – Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”

  10. What’s really funny about all this is that most of the commentators on The Guardian site thinks the article is bollocks, but quite a few of them have assumed that the author must be from the tobacco industry.

  11. That is, there are commentators who think *both* that (i) the article is bollocks, and (ii) the author must be from the tobacco industry.

    Because no-one except a tobacco company shill could write such obvious garbage, right?

  12. So Much for Subtlety

    “Living within the lie can constitute the system only if it is universal. The principle must embrace and permeate everything. There are no terms whatsoever on which it can co-exist with living within the truth, and therefore everyone who steps out of line denies it in principle and threatens it in its entirety.”

    Vaclav Havel

    http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/165havel.html

  13. “What’s really funny about all this is that most of the commentators on The Guardian site thinks the article is bollocks, but quite a few of them have assumed that the author must be from the tobacco industry.”

    Guardian readers (well the commenterers) are an odd lot. They can be very conspiracy minded on certain subjects. Occams Razor never crosses their mind.

    So instead of “new device proves effective at getting smokers off the snouts” it’s “Secret, ooga-booga, business-men want to sap our precious bodily fluids”.

  14. It is no accident that this is the Scottish NHS. The whole country up there is being shaped into a prime tinpot tyranny. They are trying to re-start a version of the ID card database, a gauleiter appointed for every child, arrested for chanting at a football match etc.

    It seems that Camoron–ever the useless sack of shit–is lining up matters so that not only will the Scottish socialist scum still be spreading poison in the HOC the SNP gang will have a free hand to create Moscow on the Clyde with even more English money than before. The only good thing is that the rest of us will be able to observe the decline and death of a socialist colony at close hand.

  15. NHS should be a paragon of evidence based policy if nothing at all. It does seem they have considered some evidence. However they have pasted the evidence of smoking on to the policy for Vaping. That is very definitely a no no.

  16. @Rob:

    ” scrolling halfway down the page kills my browser, as the Guardian website is shit.”

    My ageing iPhone 4 can no longer load the Guardian website, so I can’t read any of these articles. I’ve noticed a correlation with this event and a drop in my blood pressure.

  17. @GlenDorran: “My ageing iPhone 4 can no longer load the Guardian website, so I can’t read any of these articles. I’ve noticed a correlation with this event and a drop in my blood pressure.”

    When the Guardian flopped out on my iPad 1, I had a look at the HTML for the home page on a robust desktop computer. The CSS includes go on forever and for some reason IE9 (not necessarily mobile) is a significant browser with special IF statements. My guess is that the Guardian looks as good on IE9 on a desktop with oodles of RAM as, say, Chrome or Safari on a recent hand held device.

    But the page may bomb quickly on your hand held owing to the logic required to accommodate IE9.

    I’m not a Javascript and HTML monkey. Experts please!

  18. @So Much for Subtlety: ‘“Living within the lie can constitute the system only if it is universal. The principle must embrace and permeate everything. There are no terms whatsoever on which it can co-exist with living within the truth, and therefore everyone who steps out of line denies it in principle and threatens it in its entirety.”

    Vaclav Havel’

    I am delighted that you can look up quotes on the web. Havel argues for greyness, different opinions. Or did you fail to comprehend?

    The quote from SMFS is from a 1978 essay presented by independent thinkers:
    http://vaclavhavel.cz/showtrans.php?cat=eseje&val=2_aj_eseje.html&typ=HTML

    I am not convinced that SMFS is thinking. Forty year old essays from people who have had time to live in liberal society?

  19. So Much for Subtlety

    Charlieman – “I am delighted that you can look up quotes on the web. Havel argues for greyness, different opinions. Or did you fail to comprehend?”

    Oh look, I am being mauled by the work experience poodle again. Thank you. It is nice to have fans. Where precisely does Havel argue for greyness in that? He seems to me to be arguing for truth.

    The original and most important sphere of activity, one that predetermines all the others, is simply an attempt to create and support the independent life of society as an articulated expression of living within the truth. In other words, serving truth consistently, purposefully, and articulately, and organizing this service. This is only natural, after all: if living within the truth is an elementary starting point for every attempt made by people to oppose the alienating pressure of the system, if it is the only meaningful basis of any independent act of political import, and if, ultimately, it is also the most intrinsic existential source of the “dissident” attitude, then it is difficult to imagine that even manifest “dissent” could have any other basis than the service of truth, the truthful life, and the attempt to make room for the genuine aims of life.

    That is not an argument for greyness. But still, I will humour you as you seem a little slow and picking on the slow is always cruel. What is it you think I have not understood about what Havel said?

    “I am not convinced that SMFS is thinking. Forty year old essays from people who have had time to live in liberal society?”

    As I said, slow.

  20. SMFS: “Although what did they say about Iraq that might have annoyed Apple?”

    You just don’t know anything about anything.

    What did they (who?) say about Apple and Iraq?

  21. SMFS: “As I said, slow.”

    But perhaps a different thinker.

    At this point, I should acknowledge that I am slow or apprehensive to identify a cunt. Sometimes I try to find humanity in fellow humans even when all indications suggest that there is nothing there. But I reckon I spotted a cunt.

    Hello, SMFS.

  22. SMFS: “Oh look, I am being mauled by the work experience poodle again.”

    No, you just changed the quote for another one. I bet you didn’t know that Havel supported the Czech Green Party.

  23. So Much for Subtlety

    Charlieman – “What did they (who?) say about Apple and Iraq?”

    As I said, slow.

    Charlieman – “But I reckon I spotted a cunt.”

    Good for you. Can you explain why it doesn’t matter?

    Charlieman – “No, you just changed the quote for another one.”

    No I didn’t. I quoted Havel, again, to show that you did not understand what he said and you were talking rubbish.

    Which you were.

    “I bet you didn’t know that Havel supported the Czech Green Party.”

    Good for him. He can be right about Communism without being right about anything else.

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