The Guardian is wrong

About everything, always…..

There is no provision for leaving the euro and none for leaving the union, either by secession or expulsion.

there are no rules or provisions for leaving the euro. But there are for leaving the European Union. It’s all actually there in the treaty….

20 thoughts on “The Guardian is wrong”

  1. I suppose consistency, even consistently being wrong, is a virtue of sorts.

    Other newspapers are confusing – they are sometimes right and sometimes wrong.

    You know where you are with The Guardian though.

  2. The provision is that you inform the Eurotrash that you are leaving the Euro and if they don’t like that they had best try their luck by sending as much military force as they can muster.

  3. And “unintentionally funny” is funnier than “tedious”. Another reason to switch from the Telegraph?

    Anyway, and making no effort to check the facts, the Guardian may be right here.

    a) Yes, there is a mechanism for leaving the Union. However,
    b) There isn’t one for leaving the Euro. As EZ membership requires membership of the Union, does this void (in theory) a nation’s ability to leave the whole shebang?

    Of course, there isn’t a realistic way of making a nation stay either so the point is moot.

  4. Surely the other EU nations have the ‘one parliament cannot bind its successors’ bit in their constitutions. Or is it just us?
    And if they don’t have it, why do we call them democracies?

  5. “the point is moot”: only in the American sense of “moot”, not in the British sense. Where did you go to bloody school: Downside?

  6. Article 50(1) of the EU treaty: “Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.” Seems pretty clear to me.

  7. bloke (not) in spain

    Jack would appear to have used the entirely acceptable English usage of “moot”, dearieme.. The point is debatable. Endlessly debatable, I’d imagine. To the extreme it’ll still be debated long after whatever is being debated is history.

  8. bloke (not) in spain

    For it is in the nature of these things, the debate will not be to reach a conclusion but to give everyone concerned, not concerned & their aunt an opportunity to voice their opinion. For it is, alas, Europe.

  9. The Guardian’s take on Miliband’s IHT planning as interesting. Apparently, if Miliband Snr had written a different will it wouldn’t have been necessary and in any case the law changed later on.

    So re-writing history to save tax isn’t tax avoidance if the rules change at a later date. And if you’re Labour.

  10. Way off topic I know, but does this at the ASI from Mr K**** H***** count as a result?

    As you are misrepresenting what I have written — another piece of personal; abuse on your part — I wasn’t suggesting involuntary euthanasia in the sense of condoning it. I was merely saying that the practice is already growing quietly in hospitals and homes, and that it would probably be absorbed into the wider culture in due course.

    I am not sure that I want to continue writing any longer on the ASI blog unless your type of comment is excluded or at least moderated. Maybe there’ll be popular relief if I stop writing. It has been a great pleasure for me to write to ASI in the last few months because the topics are frequently intellectually challenging but it doesn’t add to more than a row of beans unless personal invective can be excluded.

  11. So Much for Subtlety

    Interested – “I believe the Eagles wrote a song about the EU.”

    *A* song? They are *all* about the EU!

    You know I’ve always been a dreamer
    (Spent my life running ’round)
    And it’s so hard to change
    (Can’t seem to settle down)
    But the dreams I’ve seen lately
    Keep on turning out and burning out
    And turning out the same

    Or what about:

    And when you’re looking for your freedom
    (Nobody seems to care)
    And you can’t find the door
    (Can’t find it anywhere)
    When there’s nothing to believe in
    Still you’re coming back, you’re running back
    You’re coming back for more

    And who can forget their ever-so poetic description of EU economic policy as it applies to anyone not on the EU’s pay roll?

    The full moon is calling, the fever is high
    And the wicked wind whispers and moans
    You got your demons, you got desires
    Well, I got a few of my own

    Ooo, someone to be kind to
    In between the dark and the light
    Ooo, coming right behind you
    Swear I’m gonna find you
    One of these nights

    One of these dreams
    One of these lost and lonely dreams now
    We’re gonna find one
    One that really screams

    Just don’t bend over. Actually a good case could be made that the Eagles are the creepiest lyric writers out there. Which considering Rock and Roll started off with Tutti Fruiti which was about anal sex, is pretty hard to achieve.

  12. Oh I don’t know SMFS – Steely Dan are there too if you listen hard. Especially “Everyone’s Gone to the Movies”, “Janie Runaway” and “Cousin Dupree”.

  13. So Much for Subtlety

    Andrew K – “Steely Dan are there too if you listen hard. Especially “Everyone’s Gone to the Movies”, “Janie Runaway” and “Cousin Dupree”.”

    I don’t think you have to listen hard! They are songs about a paedophile predator, a teen prostitute and sleeping with your cousin, right? Don’t forget Haitian Divorce to annoy Ironman.

    So it doesn’t count if they are trying!

  14. Speaking of Eagles lyrics, I think Hotel California describes Britain’s position in the EU very well:

    “You can check out any time you like, but you can ever leave…”

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