Well, yeah Jesse

“We’re proud to have a range of banks participate in our recent debt offering, including two well-respected minority-owned companies Williams Capital and Ramirez & Co.,” said Apple spokeswoman Kristin Huguet.

Rev. Jesse Jackson says this marks the first time that an African American-owned firm and a Latino-owned firm were included in a debt offering from the world’s largest company by market value.

Williams was started and is, apparently, owned by a Jamaican.

There’s real issues in the US about African Americans, agreed, but pointing to Jamaicans, other Caribbeans (Colin Powell) and African, African Americans (Obama). Might be better to point to what is really holding African-Americans back. The completely shite schooling that most of them receive in the union dominated education systems of the inner cities maybe?

You know Jesse, that system that you suport?

17 thoughts on “Well, yeah Jesse”

  1. It’s a bit of a puzzle why Jamaicans in US are so much more successful than Jamaicans in UK.
    Motivation? come to the UK for a shite job. Come to the US on a raft?

  2. So Much for Subtlety

    John Fembup – “Public schools offer an education for the taking. So a question: which comes first – lousy schooling, or defiant, violent attitudes toward any schooling at all, starting at very young ages, e.g. 7-year olds?”

    Actually it usually doesn’t kick in until puberty. Programmes like Head Start offer marginal improvements in Black student performance – until about the time they hit puberty.

    The number of reasons why this should be is enormous.

    John Ogbu has written a number of books on middle class Blacks and their disdain for education. Although it is an interesting question whether they perform badly because they have such disdain for “acting White” or they are unable to succeed and so they do the whole sour grapes thing.

    bloke in france – “It’s a bit of a puzzle why Jamaicans in US are so much more successful than Jamaicans in UK. Motivation? come to the UK for a shite job. Come to the US on a raft?”

    Actually the success of Jamaicans in the US is likely to be overstated. They are doing poorly, just not as poorly as the local African Americans. And perhaps it is because they stand on the shoulders of pygmies. If someone has to benefit from all that affirmative action and special social niches for Blacks (like radical politics or hair straighteners), then it will be the least dysfunctional Black communities. In the UK, there is not a large community of people even more dysfunctional than the Jamaicans.

    It is sad to see Apple follow Intel and give in to this sort of shakedown. Especially as it is such a transparent scam – like everything else Jessie Jackson touches. Sell your Apple shares.

  3. The irony is that even in Nigeria, the most dysfunctional of dysfunctional shitholes, the locals cling to education as if it were a gift from God and desperately try to access as much of it as they can. Whereas in the US it is something to be shunned, it seems. My guess is the primary difference is the presence of a welfare state.

  4. BigFire, indeed so! The. ‘guardian’ this morning has it’s knickers in a twist over the town of Grosse Pointe doing all it can to discourage Detroiters from visiting.

    Who can really blame them?

  5. I still find the fact that people still care about the colour of peoples skin (or indeed the nationality or religious beliefs of them or their parents) deeply depressing.

    Particularly culpable seem to be “people of colour” (am I allowed to say that), and American ones. Jim Crow was shocking and disgusting, but he has been dead a long time. Let’s move on.

    Your point about education is spot on. As usual the left’s policies trap and hurt the people they profess to care about.

    Profess being the operative word.

    Cunts.

  6. In fact, it’s hard to see how even the most virulent, racist, pro-slavery, KKK supporter could have come up with something as utterly crippling to African Americans as the US welfare and education systems.

  7. As has been pointed out repeatedly, Chinese American children go into the same system and come out educated. How weird is that?

  8. One things for sure, whether it’s in the US or the UK, if bleeding heart liberal politicians draw up a long list of reasons why society is against you and you haven’t got a chance of succeeding, it sure makes it easier for you to choose the reason why you didn’t even bother trying.

  9. As has been pointed out repeatedly, Chinese American children go into the same system and come out educated. How weird is that?

    The same reason Nigerian children would: their parents give a shit and won’t make excuses for them.

  10. re: Andrew C

    Since the day of Imperial China, there has always been a system of civil service test to enter government class. Education is one ticket out of whatever class you are borned into and into a different class. Military is another, but education and passing of the annual civil service test is a sure thing.

  11. So Much for Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “The same reason Nigerian children would: their parents give a shit and won’t make excuses for them.”

    Nigeria is hardly a powerhouse of academic excellence. Do their parents give a sh!t? African American parents say they do. They get angry if you suggest they don’t. But they don’t. Not really. The one sure way to make Black parents mad is to try to get their children to do their homework. Are Nigerians any different? It doesn’t look like it to me. How are Nigerian universities these days? The average IQ in Nigeria is something like 70. Which may not be genetic. It may reflect an utter indifference to IQ tests.

    BigFire – “Since the day of Imperial China, there has always been a system of civil service test to enter government class.”

    Which also lead to massive reproductive success. A polygamous society means that boys who pass exams have a lot of children indeed. Have the Chinese, like the Jews of Europe, been breeding for passing exams?

  12. The natural state of the human animal is running around with a pointed stick and a double digit IQ as part of a tribe of hunter gatherers. Any difference is down to selective breeding.

  13. SMFS,

    I wasn’t arguing that the Nigerian education system is good (it isn’t, it’s hopelessly corrupt and 99% of allocated funds get stolen) nor that Nigerians excel academically. I was arguing that it is recognised even in Nigeria that education is something to be desired and that without it one’s prospects are dim, most schoolchildren appreciate this, and their parents encourage them to go to school and do well (again, whether they achieve much – for whatever reason – is another matter entirely).

    This contrasts with sections of America (and the UK) who think getting free education is no big deal, often something to be sneered at or rejected outrigtht, and in many cases don’t see the benefit of an education because the government will provide the bare necessities regardless.

  14. So Much for Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “I wasn’t arguing that the Nigerian education system is good (it isn’t, it’s hopelessly corrupt and 99% of allocated funds get stolen) nor that Nigerians excel academically. I was arguing that it is recognised even in Nigeria that education is something to be desired and that without it one’s prospects are dim, most schoolchildren appreciate this, and their parents encourage them to go to school and do well (again, whether they achieve much – for whatever reason – is another matter entirely).”

    I am not sure I was clear either. Which is countries like China are also massively corrupt. And their universities largely useless. But the parents do desire, demand even, education. Everyone knows it is important. And so their school systems and exams are not a joke. They take it all very seriously.

    If Nigerians cared about education in the same way, if they raised their children to be serious about it in the same way, their universities would not be such jokes. Their exams and colleges are jokes, they are not sending post-grads to the US in reasonable numbers, so it follows that whatever they say, they do not value education. They just say they do.

    “This contrasts with sections of America (and the UK) who think getting free education is no big deal, often something to be sneered at or rejected outrigtht, and in many cases don’t see the benefit of an education because the government will provide the bare necessities regardless.”

    Indeed.

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