Why French Productivity is higher than British

So, why is French labour productivity high? Because they’ve got mass teenage unemployment and they pay vast salaries to the jobsworths in government.

Well, I guess Chuka Umunna could try running for office on those promises but I wouldn’t fancy his chances when he does.

20 thoughts on “Why French Productivity is higher than British”

  1. That is exactly the platform that Labour espouses going into the election.

    They just aren’t that honest about it.

  2. They also automate as much as they can. Motorway tolls are now all machines (no woman in a box), railway stations have loads of high quality vending machines (few kiosks) and lots of robotics. Much of this is due to the employers wishing to remove the risk of a strike.

  3. De-cosyfying the world of the functionaries would likely mean higher pay but less of them…
    this raised an eyebrow….
    Singapore, which runs a far leaner government than America, pays its best people $2m a year

  4. I thought it was because of their very high minimum wage etc.

    So there are very few people in low value jobs and, by default, the average output per person in work is very high.

    Perhaps better to average out total output by number of adults, whether employed or unemployed?

    People look at Japan the other way round. Their output per worker has increased enormously over the last twenty years, but this is more or less cancelled out by the fact that there are far fewer workers and far more pensioners.

  5. So Much for Subtlety

    Andrew M – “On a completely unrelated topic, I’m highly amused at the Guardian’s contortions today in trying to apply the language of Women’s Rights to events in the middle-east.”

    It is not the language of women’s rights so much as the utter lack of reality. What planet do these people live on?

    Yifat Susskind

    So ….. a Jewish feminist is going to talk to a bunch of Christian socialists about what some Muslims are doing? You know this is going to be good. After 9-11 and 7-7 the Guardian turned CiF over to Islamists. Why not ask one of them to comment? How about Hamas’ spokesman in Europe, Azam Tamimi? Faisal Bodi? Inayat Bunglawallah? I am sure they would have something interesting to say.

    “The worst moments,” Noor said, “were when one man would sell me to another. And I would have to hear them debating what my life was worth.”

    Sure. That sounds believable. There is nothing worse when you’re about to be sold to a new owner and hence be raped than having to listen to haggling.

    I heard many more stories like Noor’s at a recent gathering of Iraqi and Syrian women’s rights activists in Istanbul.

    So the batsh!t crazy preaching to the batsh!t crazy. Does it occur to her that this is likely propaganda from the Marxists?

    But how to do that? No soldier in a war will hold on to a weapon that does not work. So what will it take to disarm rape as a weapon of war?

    This assumes rape is a weapon of war. On the other hand perhaps sex is fun. Admittedly rape may not be as fun as other forms of sex, but you know, horses for courses. Everyone is different. Look at the Japanese.

    As recounted by the women in Istanbul, Isis has used rape to exert control and spread terror through communities.

    They don’t think what they are doing is rape. A minor point. But one she ought to think about.

    Rape is useful for Isis: it traumatises individuals and undermines their sense of autonomy, control and safety. It triggers mass displacement when word reaches people.

    Why the f**k would ISIS want any of these things? Again this is the real world. Not some feminist studies textbook. Why would anyone in a civil war want a mass exodus of tax payers and fighters to the government’s side?

    But the most destructive power of rape as a weapon of war lies in the deep-rooted stigma attached to it. Survivors are ostracised, even blamed for the attacks. Families fear being tarnished by the stigma and banish wives, mothers and daughters.

    Except this is not exactly rape in that sense of rape. It is more like marriage. Forced marriage but marriage nonetheless. In that a girl has moved from her parents home to her new owner’s home. He is not going to ostracise his new purchase. She has no home to go back to.

    In short, rape tears at the fabric that binds families and communities.

    I am not sure honour killings to tear at the fabric of society so much as sleeping around does, but whatever. Why would ISIS want to do this? This is their own country.

    We saw this change in Rwanda, where rape was a systematic weapon of genocide. Afterwards, the critical mass of survivors triggered a new national conversation on sexual violence, on the morality of ostracising survivors and on women’s human rights more broadly.

    Yeay Rwandan genocide! Oh wait, what the f**k?

    A similar shift may be possible now. If Iraqi and Syrian women’s rights advocates can uproot the community response that stigmatises and isolates rape survivors, the utility of rape as a weapon of war is diminished.

    And yet sex will still be fun. But totally, I mean what Iraq and Syria really need now is social approval for sexually empowered teens. Because this is not about rape is it? They want “a national conversation of women’s rights more broadly”.

    The strategic opening could be transformational for women and for warfare – but only if women from within affected communities can act now, while deeply rooted social norms around rape are in flux.

    So rape as the thin edge of the Feminist wedge? How interesting.

    One Iraqi activist spoke of a local authority figure who has become an ally. At great personal risk, he condemned honour killing at a gathering of tribal heads. His brave act of solidarity opened a community dialogue in support of women’s rights.

    Yeah because one thing even the Middle East has never heard is the radical idea you should not kill your own daughters.

    I have a dream. In my dream, we can ship all our batsh!t crazy feminists to the Middle East. We can give them all AK-47s. And they can fight it out to the last man. If we dare, it is not a dream!

  6. So Much for Subtlety

    I like that the first comment got in a mention of Rotherham – the first time I have seen a CiF refer to it and not get deleted immediately. But then I don’t read CiF much.

    However, second comment, right back on form:

    Petaurina
    32m ago
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    Amid the outrage about the ostracising of rape victims, I’d just like to mention that our society is not that much better, and our grandparents were just as bad. A raped women was tainted and damaged goods in all European societies, and in many pockets of “normal” western society (particularly christian conservative circles) still are.

    Of course. We are to blame. Us pallid people are the cancer of the world. Let us ignore, for instance, what Saint Augustine had to say on the matter of raped women and so defined Western norms and laws regarding rape for the next 2000 years. Let’s just make sure no one criticises a non-White person without a requisite dose of self-loathing.

  7. SMFS,

    “This assumes rape is a weapon of war.”

    Rape was common in warfare until the 19th century, and not as a weapon but as a spoil. You defeated an enemy, you took his property, and that property included his wife, daughters, slaves and so forth.

  8. So Much for Subtlety

    The Stigler – “Rape was common in warfare until the 19th century, and not as a weapon but as a spoil. You defeated an enemy, you took his property, and that property included his wife, daughters, slaves and so forth.”

    That applies perfectly well to Muslim societies were the women are openly spoils of war. It didn’t apply to Europe. Sure, women got raped. But no one got to keep them. His spoons? Sure, they were yours. His daughters you had to give back. Even then, officers rarely openly endorsed rape. They could do little to stop it, but it was rare to openly support it – usually it was a threat to make a town surrender, but it wasn’t “We will rape your women”, it was more “if you make us fight, we can’t promise to control the soldiers once the town has fallen”. Hence Ladysmith.

    Napoleonic soldiers regularly brought women with them on both sides. Wives of soldiers in the French Army often sold alcohol to their husband’s units. I am sure some got raped, but it was safe enough that everyone did it.

    Rape did not become common in European war, in the sense of routine in the Middle Eastern sense, until Stalin.

    However all that is besides the point. This batsh!t crazy feminist is claiming that ISIS has thought through the logic of rape and is doing it to demoralise people. Which is nuts. People rape because they like sex and are too weak or otherwise unable to get it any other way.

  9. Off topic, I have left the URL for this website where Keith Hudson can see it, and I would like you all to make sure you give him a warm reception when he arrives.

  10. Andrew K

    No!!!!!’ I must admit I am surprised Hudson doesn’t frequent this parish given his prolific nature on the ASI portal….

  11. SMFS

    Brilliant – It is indeed hard to read that article without thinking I have entered a parallel universe. It would indeed be amusing to send UK based feminists and female Guardian journalists over to berate ISIS. Who knows? they might run in terror at the thought of being lectured by Lindy West, for example?

  12. Andrew K

    Speechless – what can one say? Might as well attempt to debate with the Side of your house- likely to be as fruitful….

  13. So Much for Subtlety

    Van_Patten – “Brilliant – It is indeed hard to read that article without thinking I have entered a parallel universe.”

    Thank Andrew M for introducing it. Nothing to do with me.

    “It would indeed be amusing to send UK based feminists and female Guardian journalists over to berate ISIS. Who knows? they might run in terror at the thought of being lectured by Lindy West, for example?”

    My theory is that secretly the Guardian’s staff want to be kidnapped and raped by Islamists. Male and female both. They are tired of vegetarian girlie-men so common on the Left. They keep endorsing the other side of the War on Terror because they want some real men to Rotherham them. P. J. O’Rourke said that no one fanticised about being raped by a liberal.

    However if you want a missive from the Other Side, I give you Fifty Shades of Gray as a Capitalist Plot:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121075/fifty-shades-grey-film-review-using-bdsm-shill-capitalism

    Unlike Sade and Cavani’s works, Fifty Shades does not use the fertile theme of BDSM to lead its viewers into questioning the legitimacy of power and domination. Intentionally or not, it uses BDSM to advance the idea that domination of the relatively poor and vulnerable by the comparatively rich and powerful is something that can be coped with, that there is nothing therein to resist or destroy, that we are all just trying to get along together, and the obstacle is figuring out how to compromise enough with power and domination to live comfortably under them. Fifty Shades is a pro-capitalist film, at the end of the day, resting on the notion that extraordinary inequality in power is not something to be questioned or resisted as it is something to be accepted and managed, with the management forming the film’s core drama.

    Notice that she is defending the Marquis de Sade whose work consists most of descriptions of the torture and murder of children. And The Night Porter one of the most vile films ever conceived.

    Good to see that their batsh!t crazy nutters are as nutty as ours.

  14. Singapore, which runs a far leaner government than America, pays its best people $2m a year

    It’s to make sure they don’t engage in low-level corruption. The Asians tend not to bother engaging in petty corruption once they’ve had their fill of the juicy contracts, so the region tends to run reasonably well once the big men have had their appetites sated. Contrast this with Nigeria, where the politician who creams off billions is also demanding his cut of the $10 transactions happening at the very bottom of the chain. This is why Nigeria is a fucking shithole.

    So the Singaporeans figured that if they pay their top politicians well they won’t be screwing everything up demanding $10k bribes. It seems to work.

  15. TN- I thought the idea was to get the right people, tempt them from well paid jobs, to do short-mid term role based assignments rather than nurture them through their whole careers.
    Whether this can work or not is quite interesting to me. The problem is fundamentally the same though. How to value the Civil servant’s productivity or their value add when you are not selling what they are producing.

  16. TN- I thought the idea was to get the right people, tempt them from well paid jobs, to do short-mid term role based assignments rather than nurture them through their whole careers.

    Possibly, but the general rumour was to make them very expensive to pay off. How much did Neil Hamilton accept to ruin his career? Ten grand, was it? Nobody goes into politics to make money, so you could get people to do the job for free. But paying them well stops them engaging in petty shit like expense fiddling and low-level corruption.

  17. TimN, to be honest if it’s Hamilton’s word against Mo Fayed’s, I’d believe Hamilton every time.

    Or did al-Fraudi manage to find some actual evidence that I didn’t notice in the news reports at the time?

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