That’s an awful lot of cattle class tickets you know

A well-known televangelist is attempting to raise $60 million for the purchase of one of the most coveted private jets on the market — one that he and his ministry will use to “continue to spread the gospel of grace around the world.”

Pastor Creflo Dollar, founder of World Changers Church International, has launched Project G650, an effort to encourage 200,000 people to donate $300 or more so that he can purchase a jet….

Fly cattle class matey. At $500 a pop that’s 130,000 flights. Without even considering the running costs of that jet.

26 thoughts on “That’s an awful lot of cattle class tickets you know”

  1. My eyesight’s getting bad. I read that as World Clangers Church International, which is strangely appealing even at 300 bucks a pop.

  2. What the hell kind of a name is Creflo? Do Americans just write random letters on the birth certificate, like coming up with an internet password?

  3. @Ian B
    The sort of name where I could guess the guy’s melanin levels before clicking through to the picture. I’d still quote Matthew 23:27 at him, regardless of pigmentation.

  4. Pastor Creflo Dollar knows there loads of nutters out there who are stupid enough to believe that giving him a private plane is a sign of godliness and a highly ethical & moral stance. Such people like Dollar (great name for a scam artist) have existed ever since money was created.

  5. “Televangelist” *not* Evangelist. Jesus sent out the twelve to preach and heal without any money or even a change of clothes.
    Pope Francis acts as if he doesn’t believe in the so-called “Prosperity Gospel” either.

  6. So Much for Subtlety

    john77 – “Pope Francis acts as if he doesn’t believe in the so-called “Prosperity Gospel” either.”

    Actually Francis acts exactly as if he believed in the so-called Prosperity Gospel – it is just that he thinks it is a sign of God’s special holiness not to earn a lot of money, but to take a lot of money away from people who have earned it.

    Do bears still sh!t in the woods? Because it is not certain the Pope’s a Catholic.

  7. In what way as Francis rattled your cage SMFS?

    His constant theme thus far has been simple living, for want of a better description. His flock seems impressed.

    Anyway, he’s certainly a Catholic; whether he’s a genuine believer or not can be known only to him.

  8. So Much for Subtlety

    Jack C – “In what way as Francis rattled your cage SMFS?”

    I prefer honest Marxists to Happy Clappy ones. And I don’t much like Marxists.

    In the 47,560 word document, Francis uses the word “love” 154 times, “joy” 109 times, “the poor” 91 times, “peace” 58 times, “justice” 37 times, and “common good” 15 times.

    “His constant theme thus far has been simple living, for want of a better description. His flock seems impressed.”

    No it hasn’t. For the Church leaders perhaps. But his constant theme going back to when he was in Argentina has been a mushy version of Liberation Theology that objects to markets and capitalism.

    At a meeting of Latin American bishops in 2007, Bergoglio said that, despite the economic growth, poverty had not been reduced in the continent, and asked for a better income distribution.[283] On 30 September 2009, Bergoglio spoke at a conference organized by the Argentina City Postgraduate School (EPOCA) at the Alvear Palace Hotel in which he quoted the 1992 “Documento de Santo Domingo”[284] by the Latin American Episcopal Conference, saying “extreme poverty and unjust economic structures that cause great inequalities” are violations of human rights.[285][286] He went on to describe social debt as “immoral, unjust and illegitimate”.[287]

    “Anyway, he’s certainly a Catholic; whether he’s a genuine believer or not can be known only to him.”

    He may be a genuine believer, but a Catholic is not so obvious. He likes to play with the idea that he is not and the media likes it too. You find me a single place where extreme poverty is said to be a violation of human rights in any work of Catholic theology or doctrine. Well, one that is pre-Liberation Theology anyway.

  9. Sebastian Weetabix

    He’s a duplicitous Marxist more than he’s a duplicitous Jesuit, that’s for sure. And he needs to watch himself on poofters or he’s going to provoke an uprising among his conservative following. Id est, most of the ordinary members of the church.

  10. Come on Tim – comparing a capital purchase with the expense of a plane ticket is Ritchie maths if ever I’ve seen it. For all we know there’s some bonkers God-botherer who’ll pay a premium for a jet previously used by his Holiness…

  11. @ SMFS
    If you don’t know the difference between “Liberation Theology” and “The Prosperity Gospel” may I suggest that you stick to politics?

  12. In what way is this guy a scam artist? He’s being completely honest about what he’s going to do with the money.

  13. So Much for Subtlety

    john77 – “If you don’t know the difference between “Liberation Theology” and “The Prosperity Gospel” may I suggest that you stick to politics?”

    I made a clear distinction between the two. I wonder whether you read it and understood but decided to play dumb or whether it was too much to ask you to understand.

  14. john77, you are so ignorant. SMFS wrote the prosperity gospel, and he is the founder of liberation theology. He did those both in his spare time between being a Field Marshal in the British Army, winning Olympic gold medals, and trying to civilise the blacks.

  15. The Pope is a Marxist now? What is that based on?

    You may wish the Pope to be a jolly sound chap, lovely wife / decent handicap and not too much of that God-bothering malarkey, however that’s not how it works.

    You should probably take this up with God.

  16. @ SMFS
    What I read was:
    “Actually Francis acts exactly as if he believed in the so-called Prosperity Gospel”
    “But his constant theme going back to when he was in Argentina has been a mushy version of Liberation Theology”
    These are contradictory statements.
    It is, therefore, not unreasonable to assume that you either are confused or fail to understand how utterly different they are.

  17. The Pope is a Marxist now? What is that based on?

    Jack C, probably on the same basis as my “stinking commie bastards” assessment of anyone to the left of me, especially those who want to take more money out of my pocket and give it to some feckless oik.

  18. So Much for Subtlety

    Jack C – “The Pope is a Marxist now? What is that based on?”

    What he says he believes?

    “You may wish the Pope to be a jolly sound chap, lovely wife / decent handicap and not too much of that God-bothering malarkey, however that’s not how it works.”

    I agree. However that is not what I wish.

    john77 – “These are contradictory statements.”

    They only look like contradictory statements because you have cut the rest of my sentence. What I said was:

    Actually Francis acts exactly as if he believed in the so-called Prosperity Gospel – it is just that he thinks it is a sign of God’s special holiness not to earn a lot of money, but to take a lot of money away from people who have earned it.

    So notice the distinction is drawn between the Prosperity Gospel (that says it is good to earn lots of money), and what Francis seems to believe (that is it is good to take a lot of money away from people who earned it and give it to people who haven’t). However both views are not centred on God, or the Bible, or on the Christian tradition, but rather both assume money is what counts. Both have forgotten that the love of money is the root of all evil. They share the same falling away from what a good Christian ought to believe – at least as taught by the main Churches for the past 2000 or so years.

    “It is, therefore, not unreasonable to assume that you either are confused or fail to understand how utterly different they are.”

    In the same way that it is not unreasonable to assume your poor editing is a sign of dishonesty. That is, not very charitable is it?

  19. SMFS,
    What specifically has he said and done that makes him a Marxist? You can’t just say “What he says he believes”.

    Or indeed, what (specifically) does he believe that puts him at odds with the Bible, Christianity or Catholicism?

    God, having arranged his elevation, appears to disagree with you.

  20. @ SMFS
    “So notice the distinction is drawn between the Prosperity Gospel (that says it is good to earn lots of money)”
    No it doesn’t – it says that if you are good God will give you lots of money.
    “it is just that he thinks it is a sign of God’s special holiness not to earn a lot of money” – completely the opposite of the Prosperity Gospel.
    “Actually Francis acts exactly as if he believed in the so-called Prosperity Gospel” – obviously not!
    You are displaying your ignorance

  21. Jack C: “What specifically has he (SMFS) said and done that makes him a Marxist (or just made stuff up) ?

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