Timmy elsewhere

At the ASI.

Turns out that the idea of mixed socio economic housing is a really bad idea. Not going to make a blind bit of difference of course.

21 thoughts on “Timmy elsewhere”

  1. I like they way it seems to work in The Philippines. People buy a lot and then build their house on it. In a subdivision you’ll find someone who bought a small lot and built a cheap little plywood home next to someone who bought a big patch and built a mansion. And no one seems to give a shit.

    If the lefties want people living like that, rich among poor, then they can just scrap all of their housing regs and social housing projects etc .

  2. PS of course you also get gated communities full of the rich only and slums full of the desperately poor.

  3. “In a subdivision you’ll find someone who bought a small lot and built a cheap little plywood home next to someone who bought a big patch and built a mansion”
    And how long before the plywood house finds it necessary to leave as a swimming pool wants the space.

  4. There’s still something undesirable about physical segregation by wealth – something sits uneasily about it but it is hard to put a finger on what.

  5. And how long before the plywood house finds it necessary to leave as a swimming pool wants the space.

    Assuming no corruption in the rule of law (I know, I know), then the owner of the plywood house gets to choose whether he values the location of his house more than the amount he is being offered to go elsewhere..

  6. “For decades now we’ve been told that we should all live in mixed neighbourhoods.”

    And, as with any other policy, when the people advising this abide by it, I might listen.

    So, Billy Bragg, no buggering off to Dorset! Stay in that glorious multicultural Barking you wanted, eh?

  7. By all means, let’s have wise socialists plan our communities for us. What could possibly go wrong?

  8. This happens anyway, regardless of social housing policy. When large Victorian houses are divided into flats, you end up with a greater social mix on that street: rich folk in the remaining large houses, poorer folk in the flats. Should planners have the power to ban mixed housing types?

  9. Hmm this must be an urban thing. You don’t have to go to the Pacific to find a natural mix in the UK; try any rural market town. The one I know best is my old home of Needham Market in Suffolk, where a railwaymen’s widow on a pittance shared a party wall with a QC, there being nothing incongruous between the street doors of her humble 2-up 2-down and his tardis-like Tudor frontage. The whole village street is a mix between £60k cottages and £600k regency frontages, with residents earnings from the first to the third quartiles spread (sometimes counter-intuitively) as lengthily as the architecture. And this is not at all uncommon anywhere in the country. Except Oxfordshire, perhaps. Or Rowlingland.

    But then all the residents share in a common identity of place; they have boundaries, a town council, a newsletter and numerous co-operative activations. You can’t achieve that by design; you can brand ‘New Living in the Tosspot Quarter’ as much as you like but the residents will not share a common identity.

  10. It is very convenient to the foxes to be housed adjacent to the hen house. Remember that poor 15 year old stabbed for his bike in Caledonian Rd by yoof of no physical description.

  11. I can’t help noticing the success or failure of the scheme to have rich and poor people living together seems to be evaluated purely by the effect it has on the poor people.

    Because rich people aren’t really people, right?

  12. I can just imagine gangs of big, healthy, clever middle-class boys bullying stupid, ignorant, lumpenproletarian runts.

    How did it work in medieval Edinburgh then, when the tenements along the High Street were famously occupied by everyone from Lords to paupers?

  13. dearime said: “How did it work in medieval Edinburgh then, when the tenements along the High Street were famously occupied by everyone from Lords to paupers?”

    They all paid their own way so had some level of respect for each other perhaps.

  14. No surprises here.

    It has been shown that happiness is greater in populations with cultural homogeneity, and that will equally be true of economic homogeneity.

    Given that government has spent several decades forcefeeding heterogeneity both cultural and economic – can we hang them now please?

  15. bloke (not) in spain

    “Theoretically possible – except that middle-class boys don’t form gangs.”
    WTF’s the Tory party, then. A sewing circle?

  16. “What’s the Tory party then…”

    A club for upper class boys too thick for a proper job? The inevitable consequence of nature abhoring a vacuum? A bunch of sock puppets contrived to give the impression there is an alternative to socialism? A political black hole? A gang of spivs on the make? The fools that rush in when the angels hold back? Labour Party second XI? EU fifth column? Quisling bastards?

    Nobody knows, b(n)is, nobody knows.

  17. People of different means and wealth living amongst each other doesn’t matter one jot, at least in the UK. It’s people of utterly different values living together that is the problem.

  18. JM… don’t shoot the messenger. I’m just saying what I’ve seen. For all the fucked up shit in the Philippines there is still some property law. If someone owns a lot they can sell it, sure, but if you’re saying that they will be forced off their land… it’s not Zimbabwe.

  19. @ b(n) is
    When I was young a majority of conservative party *members* (not just voters) were working-class. [So Jo Grimond’s Liberals’ claim that they were classless because one-third of members were Upper-class, one third middle-classand one-third working class was memorable as a brilliant piece of suggestio falsi.]
    I am willing to bet that it had sewing circles in 1914-8, because that was “the patriotic thing to do” but not all sewing circles were Conservative: my great-grandmother, who was a Liberal, joined one while my great-aunt, who was a Conservative, got a job in the Admiralty replacing a guy who joined up.

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