Yet is not the right word here

On screen, in print and in person, he delighted in being anti-PC, once telling a Guardian female executive that her sandals were “lesbian shoes”.

Yet the man largely credited with the success of Top Gear is also hugely popular, with 4.5 million Twitter followers.

Because is the correct word there.

78 thoughts on “Yet is not the right word here”

  1. “Three ordinary middle-aged millionaires muck about in cars” has outgrown the BBC. They should move on. Besides, I always found Clarkson contrived.

  2. It’s times like this I’m almost convinced there is a God. What a cosmic sense of humour – the star of lefty BBC’s most successful, globally popular programmes is a paunchy, old white bloke with the dodgiest un-PC views. You couldn’t make it up.

    Anyway if JC gets permanently chopped from TG they should just bring in Nigel Farage…

  3. Apparently the Beeb have pulled the plug on this week’s episode. Perhaps they could screen the fight in its place, could prove a real ratings winner.

  4. Loud mouth boor finds fans amongst righties.

    Smoker to boot. It figures.

    ‘Regrettably’ is the correct word.

  5. Having said all that, if he has punched someone at work then yes, sack him. It’s what would rightly happen to anybody else.

  6. So the BBC are going to drop one of their few popular shows–popular and money-making–because of some minor punch-up? One punch?

    If some leftist prick or feminista had thrown the same BBC would have hushed it all up not made a song and dance.

    Time the BBC was gone.

  7. critics had complained that Clarkson was being given special treatment by the BBC because of the immense profitability of Top Gear, which is sold to 214 territories and is the most popular factual television programme in the world.

    Err, yes. That actually seems like a perfectly sensible reason for special treatment …

    I do love GeoffH’s insistence in demeaning Top Gear watchers. It says something about the left and their need to pigeonhole everybody and everything. Normally on an “approve versus disapprove” basis.

    On the other hand, I once bought one of Clarkson’s books in an airport with an understocked bookshop. Fairly crap.

  8. “the most popular factual television programme in the world.”

    “Factual” ? This is a joke, right?

  9. SE, the idea that addressing someone with the notion that her sandals are “lesbian shoes” is quite obviously ‘normal’ in polite circles (sorry, normal blokes) says more about you than disliking Clarkson and his ilk does about me.

  10. What amuses me are all the comments about what a lousy programme TG is and how they are glad it’s been taken off. Have these people got TVs that only show BBC 2?

  11. SE,

    What else is even a bit blokeish on terrestrial TV? Match of the Day? Bluestone 42?

    I don’t mind that BBC2 has some baking and sewing shows. I appreciate that people have different tastes. But almost every night there is a show like that. Saturday night on TV is now camp chat shows, singing and dancing shows. A large amount of BBC1’s evening output is hospital dramas and soap operas.

  12. GeoffH: “Having said all that, if he has punched someone at work then yes, sack him. It’s what would rightly happen to anybody else.”

    Technically, wasn’t Prescott ‘at work’ (at least, not shagging a secretary) when he swung a punch?

  13. Mr Ecks: “So the BBC are going to drop one of their few popular shows–popular and money-making…”

    I know! It’s almost like they’ve got some guaranteed source of income to rely on, or something, isn’t it?

  14. @ The Stigler.

    The question is, why is the BBC fighting for ratings with commercial organisations when they are a public broadcaster? Singing, cookery, decorating, hospital and crime drama shows are all well provided for on the commercial stations.

    The BBC should stick to making programmes about endangered newts, but that would mean getting rid of everything except BBC4, Radio 3 and Radio 4, the actual bits of the BBC that provide the public service.

  15. Julia,
    Yes, Prescott was at work and should have been sacked. Sadly, his employers chose not to do so. That’s Labour voters for you.

    And I’m Geoffers, not GeoffH. Different chap altogether.

  16. “Technically, wasn’t Prescott ‘at work’ (at least, not shagging a secretary) when he swung a punch?”

    How can you say this Julia? After all Prescott was not a nasty Little Englander or UKIP voter. Prescott was a colourful leftist character and open supporter of a death cult that has murdered 150 million people so obviously allowances should be made for him.

  17. @magnusw

    Bizarrely, I know a former DG of the BBC socially and his rationale is that because the wider general public have to pay for it, the BBC has to provide programming for as wide a spectrum as possible.

    As regards the notion of the BBC being a public service broadcaster, it would be a public service to scrap that sodding Eastenders crap. And the Archers. And the Shipping Forecast…..or is that a step too far?

  18. The Shipping Forecast is a step or 2 beyond a step too far. Hands off The Archers. And bring back the UK Theme.

  19. So Much for Subtlety

    GeoffH – “the idea that addressing someone with the notion that her sandals are “lesbian shoes” is quite obviously ‘normal’ in polite circles (sorry, normal blokes) says more about you than disliking Clarkson and his ilk does about me.”

    It depends on the circumstances, but who would not move in the occasional circle where such a comment would not merely be normal but welcome and perhaps even amusing?

  20. What happens if they sack Clarkson? Top Gear is done, he immediately goes to another channel, and the BBC lose squillions in licensing rights.

    Apparently he lamped a producer for not having his dinner ready. Which IS a remarkably twattish thing to do, but the devils in the details. Arguments can start up over the tiniest, insignificant speck of bullshit which can be the tipping point for months of simmering hatred.

  21. magnusw,

    “The BBC should stick to making programmes about endangered newts, but that would mean getting rid of everything except BBC4, Radio 3 and Radio 4, the actual bits of the BBC that provide the public service.”

    Even that’s not PSA any longer. There’s tons of commercial nature stuff out there on channels like National Geographic. And anyone can make a film today with a phone camera, a PC and £50 of editing software. I’m sure there’s some Newt Preservation Society who can stick a video up on YouTube.

    The BBC is an anachronism to me – it belongs to a time of limited bandwidth and million pound editing suites. It might have once been necessary. In the era of limited bandwidth you might want to enforce variety of broadcasting, but we don’t have limited bandwidth today. There’s hundreds of Freeview channels and millions of videos on YouTube.

  22. Prescot jabbed someone who egged him. Not sackable in my book. Vote winner.
    clarkson. Big corps cant have people punching each other. If his warnings for counter revolutionary sedition count in this physical matter he will be sacked. Only to be hired again at a later date.

  23. the idea that addressing someone with the notion that her sandals are “lesbian shoes” is quite obviously ‘normal’ in polite circles (sorry, normal blokes) says more about you than disliking Clarkson and his ilk does about me.

    But it wasn’t Clarkson that you were pigeon-holing. I haven’t seen anybody disagreeing with the point that he is a bit (or a lot) of a prat. You were pigeon-holing all Top Gear viewers. And trying to sneak out when called on it. That says more about you than anybody else on here.

    And, Arnald, hi 🙂 Except that’s not you because there aren’t enough spelling errors. Even though your contribution was only two words. Repeated from your c’n’p.

  24. ” And trying to sneak out when called on it”

    Oh, how wonderfully snooty of you. “Called out” Ha Ha.

    Look if you don’t like being pigeon-holed then avoid congregating with nobody but pigeons. All they do is leave a load of crap everywhere as evidenced by Clarkson-lovers here.

  25. Prescott was acting in self defence. Hitting back at someone who assaults you is not an offence or reason to get sacked.

  26. BiG: Self-defence–against a thrown egg? Look up the law on self-defence–retaliation is what it was and if anyone on here had done it Plod would have been only too happy to make the arrest. Anyone not a leftist political piggy that is.

  27. Mr Ecks – So the BBC are going to drop one of their few popular shows–popular and money-making–because of some minor punch-up? One punch?

    Crazy, isn’t it?

    Both parties to the altercation are grown men. You’d think they could just sort this out like men – either by Clarkson apologising and buying the guy a pint or with a vicious, no-holds-barred chariot race like in Ben Hur.

    Obviously it is the height of dicketry to deck someone at work, but he didn’t hit a woman or the tea boy. If he had, an instant sacking and complaint to the police would be appropriate.

    I don’t know what led up to it, but he picked on a 30-something male producer – someone with the seniority, in both senses, to be reasonably expected to be able to shrug off a love tap after a handshake and apology.

    Sadly, the BBC isn’t what it once was. Lord Reith used to get bladdered during board meetings, smash a bottle of sherry, and wave the broken glass at his staff while screaming “Who fucking wants some of this?”

    And nobody batted an eyelid in those days.

  28. Pendantry

    “called on it” and “called out” are not the same thing. Clarkson and his audience are not the same person / people.

    But then, “people who don’t agree with GeoffH” are probably a rather large, and to GeoffH, monolithic, block.

  29. BiG. Oisin is a BBC ‘producer’ a bit of an oxymoron as a job title given he might have got a right hook for non producing of comestibles. He is Welsh also. if that isn’t a combination worthy of provocation, then I don’t know what is.

  30. GeoffH – the idea that addressing someone with the notion that her sandals are “lesbian shoes” is quite obviously ‘normal’ in polite circles

    Truth is an absolute defence.

    BTW, I have nothing against lezzers. Knew some in the Army and most of them were good girls.

    But I cannot abide men who wear sandals.

    Unless you’re Jesus Christ, a Trappist monk, or a tousle-haired Aussie surfer-gigalo, sandals make you look like a Lib-Dem voting, yoghurt-weaving, environmentally conscious, sensitive… dick.

  31. bloke (not) in spain

    Can we clarify. He’s assistant producer. Not producer.
    For anyone not familiar with the BBC, “assistant producer” is the title given to the people you see scurrying round anywhere programme making is occurring. It has about as much weight as “vice-president” has in the US corporate world. But they have to be called something other than “Oi! You!”

  32. MC. Lovely. She managed to shoot herself in the foot within two paragraphs, as anyone who watches TG knows.

  33. MC – THANK YOU!

    The problem with Jeremy Clarkson, apart from him being a dick,

    As someone who is also accused of being a dick, I’m happy to confirm that dicketry is only a problem for other people. We dicks swing freely through life, untroubled by our own bell-endishness.

    is that he’s on the wrong side of history.

    History comes with a direction arrow, people!

    There is a future for cars. There is a brilliant future for cars. There is even a future for programmes about cars.

    How gracious of this girl to concede that.

    But for people doing stupid stunts in cars, while insisting that they are for petrol heads, who by definition don’t accept the bald facts of anthropogenic climate change? Not so much.

    To the gulag!

    [Lots of waffle about how nasty, toxic battery-powered cars are great because of… reasons]

    A true programme about cars would be one that roped all this like a steed, and said: look. Look at what we’ve discovered. We can take the shapes of the old and the power of the new and create something that is basically free, running on limitless energy, like in Star Trek.

    Sigh. Science education isn’t what it was, especially among folks who are completely convinced about The Science of climate change.

    No, Virginia, there is no free energy. The whole universe runs on TANSTAAFL. Electric cars require a lot of energy to build, and that energy does not come from solar panels or unicorn farts. Their batteries are huge, full of poisonous acids and must be replaced – at great expense – every few years.

    Solar power will *never* fuel our cars in any meaningful way because there just isn’t enough solar energy falling on your car. It might be enough to trickle-charge your iPod, but apart from that the solar car is a *gimmick*, aimed at gullible Guardian readers who think solar panels are magic.

    The electricity for those cars will still overwhelmingly come from burning fossil fuels or atomic fission.

    Top Gear, being so far behind the curve, would only be able to catch up if it undertook a radical rethink of its value system. I suggest an eco-feminist approach.

    I’d watch a programme about lesbian Wiccans trying to squeeze their ample rumps into a Smart car. But I’m not sure how popular it’d be overseas.

    In the first place, they need to incorporate the obvious concerns of the entire industry, to produce cars that get you places without needless waste. It’s not wholemeal and boring. What does an intelligent species do, faced with a problem? It finds daring answers. It doesn’t plough into a ditch and laugh.

    I agree. Douglas Adams has shown us the way: round up all the Guardian columnists and give them a free space trip to our nearest star.

    Feminism is relevant because only a macho culture would have allowed a bunch of idiots to elide heedless fossil fuel use with mindless racial slurs and scientific illiteracy.

    Only a macho culture would have built cars in the first place. A feminist culture would see us trying to power our vehicles by foot, a la Fred Flintstone.

    I wouldn’t accidentally call someone a slope. I wouldn’t charge around Argentina spewing asinine triumphalism about some long-gone war. Why not? Because the impetus behind those actions is territorial, and that’s not what feminism or, for that matter, human beings are about.

    Feminists *never* say anything offensive, you cishet heteropatriarchal male chauvanist scum!

    What would my Top Gear look like?

    http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/4/26/11/enhanced-buzz-30558-1366991948-0.jpg

  34. Steve : “But I cannot abide men who wear sandals”

    Well, at least we can agree on something.

    But, unfortunately for your train of thought, Clarkson was addressing a member of the female gender and not a sandal-wearing, Muesli-chumping, Lib-Dem activist bloke.

    And anyone with an ounce of fashion-sense would know that ‘sandals’ as worn by women are nowt like the Jesus-sandals you refer to.

  35. People are correctly talking about Top Gear as that is what Clarkson is primarily known for, but one of the comments above about his presenting abilities is spot on.

    His programme about VC winners was bloody superb: intelligent, respectful and very moving, especially the bit about his father-in-law.

    In addition to Top Gear it would be good to see him do more like that, or on his unapologetic love of engineering. If nothing else it would piss the Guardianists off as it would show he’s not the thick loudmouth oik that they caricature him as.

  36. I wouldn’t accidentally call someone a slope.

    I gather the playground use of the word ‘slope’ skyrocketed after the lefty twats pointed it out. I’d never heard it used BC (Before Clarkson.)

  37. Although I am a bit of a left-wing caricature,Clarkson is ok because he makes motoring programmes watchable(do you remember what they used to be like?) and constantly sends himself up.The latter is supposed to be insidiously devious but his programmes are Ok taken at face value and you would be daft to over analyse them.
    In any argument between Talent and Management you have to back the Talent.I think it should be all be settled on screen by a duel with comedy weapons such as sticks of rhubarb etc ,the loser being forced to apologise while being belaboured with the vegetable.

  38. I wouldn’t charge around Argentina spewing asinine triumphalism about some long-gone war. Why not? Because the impetus behind those actions is territorial, and that’s not what feminism or, for that matter, human beings are about.

    Presumably the current female president of Argentina has little interest in the Falklands then, eh?

  39. Steve said: “Both parties to the altercation are grown men. You’d think they could just sort this out like men – either by Clarkson apologising and buying the guy a pint or with a vicious, no-holds-barred chariot race like in Ben Hur.

    That can be the next Top Gear special. Complete with blurred bits to cover up for when the presenters aren’t actually doing the driving.

  40. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I don’t own a car, I don’t have a driving license, and I have no wish to acquire one (I can drive, I just don’t). Top Gear, and Jeremy Clarkson in particular, are a great force for good precisely because they wind up the Zoe Williams/Deborah Orr/GeoffH contingent. Being rude to these people and discomfiting their nasty fascistic little sensibilities is a public service. If you asked any one of these miserable people if they supported ‘diversity’ they of course would enthusiastically agree. It’s bollocks of course: they no more support diversity of opinion than a Red Army zampolit. Clarkson has said some un-PC things, therefore he must be cast into the outer darkness. None of the people calling for his head are concerned about the fact he might have assaulted someone; they just want him gone because they don’t like him.

  41. BiCR

    Grow up. You know nothing about me or my opinions – except those expressed here.

    I am neither miserable nor a disciple of the Red Army. Nor do I read or align myself with the Guardian.

    I dislike the Jeremy Clarksons of this world solely because they are ignorant oafs. Or they develop a faux facade of themselves as such to appeal to other ignorant oafs.

    Presumably you are one of them.

  42. The Meissen Bison

    GeoffH: Presumably you are one of them.

    There seem to be quite a lot of Clarkson fans signing a petition.

    That’s a nice Spaniel you have there.

  43. Widdershins,

    > I know a former DG of the BBC socially and his rationale is that because the wider general public have to pay for it, the BBC has to provide programming for as wide a spectrum as possible.

    I was chatting with a former head of the BBC Trust a few weeks ago (no, really), and they said the same thing: the BBC can’t perform its core duty without public support, and it can’t keep public support without doing loads of stuff outside the core duty. It’s a fair point. Whether it’s a good point in favour of letting the BBC churn out lowest-common-denominator shite or of scrapping it is arguable.

    DBC,

    > In any argument between Talent and Management you have to back the Talent.

    The BBC have never understood this, for some reason. If they get rid of Clarkson, they need to just stop Top Gear. Maybe start a new car show, but call it something else. But they won’t: they’ll keep Top Gear, they’ll try to keep roughly the same format, they’ll try to hire someone a bit like Clarkson, and they’ll utterly fuck it up.

    Same way they somehow never realised that Ground Force was the Alan Titchmarsh show.

    GeoffH,

    > I dislike the Jeremy Clarksons of this world solely because they are ignorant oafs. Or they develop a faux facade of themselves as such to appeal to other ignorant oafs.

    Or, as it’s also known, entertainment. The faux facade is what entertainers do; it is their job. You do get that Norman Wisdom wasn’t really clumsy, yeah?

  44. Loud mouth boor finds fans amongst normal blokes.

    I’m sure I read recently that over 40% of the audience is women?

    The left just don’t like anyone who acts a bit–dare I say it?–working class. They might want the working class to vote for them, but they wouldn’t want their daughter to marry one.

  45. @ Squander 2

    “the BBC can’t perform its core duty without public support, and it can’t keep public support without doing loads of stuff outside the core duty. It’s a fair point.”

    I disagree, the BBC could probably do its core duty with a licence tax of £10-20 per year, a fairly nominal sum that even I wouldn’t object to if it stuck to that core of things it is reasonably good at and which it is difficult to find a similar quality of elsewhere, my particular favourites are the science bits of BBC4, Michael Moseley, Marcus du Sautoy, Jim Al-Khalili, Brian Cox. But there is also plenty of other niche things they do which I don’t like but also wouldn’t object to.

    Much of the objection to the BBC is in the talent shows, the soaps, the rights to sports events and the huge salaried big name presenters. Where the commercial channels do it just as well or better.

    The BBC would continue to exist, thrive even, with great public support if it pared back, but that would require a great monolithic public body to actually give up ground, power, influence, budget and thousands of middle and upper management creaming money off. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

  46. as coercive tolerance and gentility infect more and more of the UK you can see it fading from the world stage. Clarkson -the last of the Mohicans.
    Better start learning Manderin. The next Empire will reach you soon.

  47. So Much for Subtlety

    Bloke in Wales – “I gather the playground use of the word ‘slope’ skyrocketed after the lefty twats pointed it out. I’d never heard it used BC (Before Clarkson.)”

    Although this is not really related to anything, someone connected with an institution that laughingly calls itself a university told me they are having trouble with Yik Yak. It allows anonymous comments. The whole point really. So what do the students use it for? Making racist and sexist comments. They want it banned.

    Banning things is fun, but you give enormous power to the smallest, most juvenile person in the room. You tell football fans the game will be stopped if they make monkey noises, you are giving the power to humiliate a billion pound team to a group of spotty 15 year olds. You tell students that they cannot use words and not only will they admire some prat like Clarkson who does, but they will take to Yik Yak or whatever to use them with glee.

    We would be better off sniffing at racism rather than trying to ban it. Because it is not going to work.

  48. It is the great boast of England footer supporters that we have made more progress on racism than everyone else. It’s what makes us superior.

    It’s not just Americans who don’t do irony.

    “We would be better off sniffing at racism”: quite so. It’s oafish, thoughtless and ill-mannered, and is being slowly mocked out of existence, regardless of what the law says.

  49. OK

    “Piers Morgan, who has had a number of public spats with Clarkson over several years, also weighed in to suggest he would be available to replace the presenter.

    — Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) March 10, 2015

    I’m available. #TopGear”

    Lord, no. Just no.

    And there’s an ad in the sidebar for “With Jeremy Clarkson suspended, here’s my vision for an eco-feminist Top Gear.” By Zoe Williams.

    Who apparently does not understand that eco-feminists aren’t going to watch a show about cars and no-one else is going to watch a show about . . . whatever it is that eco-feminists like. Hair shirts and flogging themselves over the state of the environment I imagine.

  50. “Geoffers
    March 11, 2015 at 9:55 am

    Having said all that, if he has punched someone at work then yes, sack him. It’s what would rightly happen to anybody else.”

    Naw, screw that. Producer failed to do *his* job. On a hugely successful production that probably makes tons of money. He should be lucky only Clarkson tried to punch him and that Tony Hall isn’t demanding that he cut his own nuts off and present them on a silver platter.

  51. ‘Course, thinking about it – I’m assuming it was this AP’s responsibility and not, at least as likely, Clarkson taking it out on the first suitable body in range.

  52. I don’t find TG all that funny these days: the novelty if three chaps larking around like kids and being rude to foreigners is now tiresome for me although millions love it still. Their views need to be respected

    . Clarkson is apparently a decent fellow and not a bully in real life. I wish that was more evident on TG.

    As for the BBC, the whole saga reminds me of why the licence fee and the whole set up must go. In a free market this stuff wouldn’t matter.

    Clarkson on Brunel was a blinder of a documentary, by the way.

  53. sackcloth and ashes

    ‘[Clarkson told] a Guardian female executive that her sandals were “lesbian shoes”‘.

    How vicious of him.

    It’s almost as if he sneered at Jews as being ‘the chosen people’ (Deborah Orr), declared that ‘all white people are racist’ (Joseph Harker), or made jocular comments about some kids being killed on a gap year because they had posh-sounding names (Kia Abdullah).

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