Happy English Day


35 thoughts on “Happy English Day”

  1. Surreptitious Evil

    Happy “Roman soldier, probably mythical, but, if not, probably born in Turkey” Day to you too.

    And even to Arnald.

  2. Hang on; he’s a Saint so he can do ahistorical miracles. It’s all part of the polytheistic aspect of unreformed Christianity. An aspect that it shares with the behaviour of large numbers of Moslems, I understand; saints, relics, pilgrimages, and all that mumbo-jumbo.

  3. The left often point out the non-English origins of St. George as some kind of “gotcha”. Of course, it is nothing of the kind: St. George was adopted by several European entities (look at the Moscow coat of arms) for the values that he allegedly represented, not because of his nationality. He was specifically adopted by the English as their patron saint because they knew it would piss off the French as doing so implies that the values of St. George are uniquely English. At no point in history has anybody, English or otherwise, celebrated St. George because of his nationality or origins. So pointing out he was not from these parts is about as relevant as pointing out that he probably wasn’t called George either.

  4. Under the mythology, he was a soldier in the Roman army who came from a Greek family living in Cappadocia. Good luck on finding any Greeks in Cappadocia post the wars, massacres and expulsions 1915-1923. Rum (or Rome if you insist) is everywhere in the Middle East, the symbol of all that must be exterminated. In confronting violent Islamic imperialism, we shall need a similar inspirational figure.

  5. Oh for goodness sake, TN, it’s nothing to with ‘left’. Celebrating Saints days is an RC or EOC thing. My family used to celebrate all our Name days. That the adoption of a ‘symbol’ should be ‘celebrated’ and embodied on a particular day seems particularly ‘forrin’, making the Nationalists a bit inconsistent for pushing for a bank holiday and a piss-up like the Irish.

    At least St Patrick banished the snakes, far more humble than a dragon, no?

  6. The English, the English, the English are best
    I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest.

    The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
    We’ve left in the hands of three unfriendly powers
    Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot
    You’ll find he’s a stinker, as likely as not.

    The Scotsman is mean, as we’re all well aware
    And bony and blotchy and covered with hair
    He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
    And he hasn’t got bishops to show him the way!

    The English, the English, the English are best
    I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest.

    The Irishman now our contempt is beneath
    He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth
    He blows up policemen, or so I have heard
    And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third!

    The English are noble, the English are nice,
    And worth any other at double the price

    The Welshman’s dishonest and cheats when he can
    And little and dark, more like monkey than man
    He works underground with a lamp in his hat
    And he sings far too loud, far too often, and flat!

    And crossing the Channel, one cannot say much
    Of French and the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch
    The Germans are German, the Russians are red,
    And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed!

    The English are moral, the English are good
    And clever and modest and misunderstood.

    And all the world over, each nation’s the same
    They’ve simply no notion of playing the game
    They argue with umpires, they cheer when they’ve won
    And they practice beforehand which ruins the fun!

    The English, the English, the English are best
    So up with the English and down with the rest.

    It’s not that they’re wicked or natuarally bad
    It’s knowing they’re foreign that makes them so mad!

  7. Oh for goodness sake, TN, it’s nothing to with ‘left’.

    Perhaps not, but the only people I’ve ever seen pointing out his non-English origins in the context of St. George’s day have been Lefties. Maybe my sample wasn’t broad enough?

  8. bloke (not) in spain

    “At least St Patrick banished the snakes, far more humble than a dragon, no?”
    St George, Arnald.
    Tough on lizards.
    Tough on the causes of lizards.
    Be aware. Be scared.

  9. Nobody claims St Patrick was Irish or that St Andrew was Scottish. St. David does seem to have been Welsh, but Wales has always been a local place for local people.

    I love the picture above, his tight perm would be the envy of many a 1980’s Liverpool supporter.

    Happy St. Georgios Day everyone.

  10. You notice the lefties are trying to fill the calendar with their own versions of saints’ days- International Women’s’ Day, International Day Againt Homophobia & Transphobia, Earth Day, MLK Day etc etc Nice that some saint’s days are still remembered, even if no-one knows quite why.

    While Ss Edmund King & Martyr. Edward the Confessor, Alban and Thomas Beckett have reasonable claims we have George as a reminder of the Crusades which stick in the craw of leftists and Islamists. A handy reminder of the fact that Europe was moved to act against aggressive Islamist armies (did you think those Muslims at Tours and Poitiers were there on holiday in the early c8th?). The fact that they went pear-shaped and resulted in the sacking of Constantinople should remind us to be cautious about foreign adventures.

    Happy St George’s Day.

    Oh, and Je Suis Charlie (Martel)

  11. “It’s similar with the Queen: “she’s German” being a key republican argument.”

    Though many of them want to be ruled by Germans.

    Their argument is blatantly racist by their own standards though, given that (a) they claim anyone who stepped off a boat last Thursday week is British, and (b) she was born and raised in Britain, to parents born and raised in Britain.

    I wonder what their reaction would be to calling a third-generation descendant of immigrants “a Pakistani”.

  12. dearimie & Arnald

    No one – well no one except children, the ignorant or sixth from atheists – thinks he killed a dragon. They do, though, think he successfully stood against what the dragon represents, namely, the persecutors of the faith; like the dove represents peace and the pelican maternal love.

  13. Recusant

    And there I was thinking that those stories were real, just like that factual literary text, the Bible. So whether the dragon is a symbol of the persecutors of a faith based on factual literature, or the dragon is real as is the faith it is persecuting, then we can all suspend disbelief in celebration together.

  14. Recusant
    Thanks. Just enough time to ponder transubstantiation before I eat my packet of crisps and drink my Ribena.

  15. @ Jack C
    “she’s German” is slightly more true than most of their arguments: her mother was an Anglo-Scots aristocrat, her paternal grandmother born in England of mixed English and German ancestry, paternal great-grandmother Danish, so you have to go back to Prince Albert to find a German ancestor. She is one-sixteenth and a bit of one-quarter German plus some fraction of one-sixty-fourth from the House of Hanover. More than half British, and I guess that the largest minority is Danish.

  16. bloke (not) in spain

    Quite like “Je Suis Charlie (Martel)” not being strictly correct.

    He was Charles Herstal, if anything.

    So it should be Charles le Marteler. A description, not just a name.
    Charles the Hammerer. (Of Islam amongst others)

    Let’s not pussyfoot around

  17. Arnald: Compared to the horseshit of Karl Marx (which by the turn of the 20th century was so obviously bollocks even to his followers that they tried to re-invent the mess as fascism) the Good Book is Gospel indeed.

  18. @Mr Ecks & Arnald

    Marxist economics is bollox and his skill as a futurologist wasn’t up to much. But the Marxist view of history is a pretty decent model. The Marxist dialectic works quite well with the synthesis being social democracy, although clearly this isn’t the view of Marxists. Bismarck shot Marx’s fox with the creation of the modern welfare state.

    Not a marxist btw.

  19. Bloke in North Dorset

    Just been listening to the cricket. Two Englend batsmen have been out to drag-ons in St George’s on St George’s day. And apparently the place was named after the English version of St George.

  20. “probably born in Turkey”

    Nope. Turkey didn’t exist, and there were no Turks in the area he was born.

    “we have George as a reminder of the Crusades”

    Off by quite a number of centuries. But the idea is sound as we should remember that he was born in a Roman, later a Christian kingdom that ruled the region up to 1000 years ago. The Arabic/Persian/Turkish influences in the region are accepted as though they existed forever.

    Its a blatent rewrite of history, like that other great “Turkish” symbol, the Hagia Sophia, even in the Civilization game is represented with minarets.

  21. Ken. Marx’s theory of dialectic history he stole from Hegel. Marx’s theories were both original and good, sadly that which was original was not good, that was good was not original

  22. “we have George as a reminder of the Crusades”

    Off by quite a number of centuries.

    You rather miss the point. He’s a reminder of the crusades in that the veneration of St George came back to England with returning crusaders.

    Stop being obtuse.

  23. @ BinD
    They didn’t allow Joe Root to bowl in The WIndies first Ininings, so he’s put England in the lead while batting.

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