Interesting logic here

I’m pro-abortion because I believe in mercy, grace, compassion,

Hmm.

19 thoughts on “Interesting logic here”

  1. Proof of the adage that the worse your behaviour, the more moralising you need to do to justify it.

    She also is pro abortion because she loves her daughter. Her daughter might be well advised to carry a can of mace and a panic alarm at all times, however.

  2. So parents should form the families.of their choosing should they?

    It certainly wouldn’t be of my ‘choosing’ for my child to have a minor physical impairment. It certainly wouldn’t be of my choosing for my 3rd child to be a boy if the first two had also been. It wouldn’t be of my choosing for my child to be conceived and born at just the moment that plum overseas assignment came up that took us away from the family support network.
    It would, however, be of my choosing to deny that child a chance of life beyond the womb and to raise another child instead when it suited me better.
    Yes, and that would indeed be merciful and compassionate towards ME. You might by contrast think I was an evil sociopathic fuck.

  3. ‘Recently, the Daily Kos published an article titled I Am Pro-Choice, Not Pro-Abortion. “Has anyone ever truly been pro-abortion?” one commenter asked.

    Uh. Yes. Me. That would be me.’

    See, she’s clearly missing that little Jiminy Cricket voice that whispers ‘No! This would be a bad thing to say! Don’t do it!’ …

  4. So Much for Subtlety

    I’m pro-abortion because I believe in mercy, grace, compassion,

    She keeps using those words. I do not think they mean what she thinks they mean.

    This is just another part of the long effort by liberals to insist that they know what other people’s religions mean better than their Church or their religious education teachers did.

  5. I think the mercy and compassion statement refers to forgiveness and understanding for women who become pregnant unintentionally (recklessly, if you prefer) and decide to abort.

    She quite clearly lays out the basis of her moral calculus – sentience. On the assumption that the foetus/child has not developed sentience prior to the abortion, her position is consistent with that foundation.

  6. “This is just another part of the long effort by liberals to insist that they know what other people’s religions mean better than their Church or their religious education teachers did.”

    You mean like suggesting that maybe Allah isn’t all-merciful, all-compassionate?

  7. “I’m pro-abortion because I believe in mercy, grace, compassion”: as explicit a case of moral preening as you could hope to see.

  8. So Much for Subtlety

    John – “I think the mercy and compassion statement refers to forgiveness and understanding for women who become pregnant unintentionally (recklessly, if you prefer) and decide to abort.”

    I don’t think anyone around here lacks understanding for women who get unintentionally pregnant and decide to abort.

    “She quite clearly lays out the basis of her moral calculus – sentience. On the assumption that the foetus/child has not developed sentience prior to the abortion, her position is consistent with that foundation.”

    Then she does not need to argue about mercy. She is deliberately adopting language of a different argument that plays no role in hers.

    NiV – “You mean like suggesting that maybe Allah isn’t all-merciful, all-compassionate?”

    No. Like suggesting Islam is a religion of peace and just like any other religion. When Muslims are perfectly clear it is not.

  9. Islam is a religion of the peace that comes from surrender.

    But I’m more interested in the “No.” bit. Do you mean the Koran doesn’t claim it, or that liberals don’t contradict it? Or do you mean “But that’s different…”?

  10. So Much for Subtlety

    NiV – “Islam is a religion of the peace that comes from surrender.”

    That is, the only people suggesting Islam is not a religion based on violence are Western liberals. Muslims are clear about what it is they believe. Hence the parallel.

    “But I’m more interested in the “No.” bit. Do you mean the Koran doesn’t claim it, or that liberals don’t contradict it? Or do you mean “But that’s different…”?”

    I mean no, because no one is making the claim you are making. It is a fantasy of your own imagination. It is, after all, sort of more or less the same God as Jews and Christians also believe are those things.

  11. “I mean no, because no one is making the claim you are making.”

    I am.

    But whatever. Question answered.

    “It is, after all, sort of more or less the same God as Jews and Christians also believe are those things.”

    Possibly. And the same could be said of the Jewish/Christian versions – that nasty business with the Midianite children and all that talk about casting the sinners into hellfire (surely that’s against the Geneva conventions…) could cast doubt on that.

    But my point was that people can legitimately use moral language that contradicts religious beliefs when their morals disagree with the religion’s. They’re not telling you that you don’t know your own religion. They’re telling you that according to their morals your religious beliefs are morally wrong. They’re entitled to their opinion. You’re entitled to yours.

    That doesn’t make what they say illogical.

  12. So Much for Subtlety

    NiV – “But my point was that people can legitimately use moral language that contradicts religious beliefs when their morals disagree with the religion’s. They’re not telling you that you don’t know your own religion.”

    Then they need to come out and say that they are such Special Little Snowflakes that they know what is right and wrong better than the combined intellectual and moral tradition of the Western world. Not try to pretend that they are the best Catholics in the world and only they know what it really means to be a Catholic.

  13. “that they know what is right and wrong better than the combined intellectual and moral tradition of the Western world”

    Given some of the traditions, that wouldn’t be hard…

    Is that argument ad verecundiam or ad populam?

    “Not try to pretend that they are the best Catholics in the world”

    Where does she pretend to be a Catholic?

  14. Grace? Grace?

    OK, mercy and compassion… I think that’s bollocks, but if you start from the assumption that the only person that matters is the woman and the baby is merely an inanimate nothing, sure: you can at least argue there is mercy and compassion there. But grace? What the bucketing fuck?

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