Missing words here

Ed Miliband rebrands Labour as party of fiscal responsibility

Should actually read as “Ed Miliband attempts to rebrand Labour as party of fiscal responsibility”.

He might manage it, might not, depends upon how damn fucking stupid the rest of us are.

56 thoughts on “Missing words here”

  1. This election has turned into a festival of promises that simply can’t be kept, classic that can’t be supported and giveaways that can’t be costed. We seem to be pretty fucking stupid indeed.

  2. Ironman

    And it is the same in Spain.

    We have created a monster of entitlement. If you ‘read’ the Guardian it seems that we are wealthy beyond our dreams and all we have to do is take back what the rich have taken from us.

    Even Rajoy here and especially dopey Dave there have taken this on board.

    Gone is any concept of self-reliance, a moral view or personal, social and fiscal responsibility and all our parties are ‘social democrats’ given over to power-seeking via the promise of milk and honey and whatever is likely to turn you on tomorrow. It is unfortunately what works.

    The Islamic radicals are right in one respect. We are decadent and declining and most people neither see this nor care.

    The labour party there are clearly to blame initially, but the conservatives have carried on the ‘good works’ with scarcely a glance at their past.

    A Brave New World of lumpen gimmes destroying society through the destruction of wealth and wealth-creating structures, habits and effort.

    And the new parties like Podemos are only new in that they want this new scenario faster.

    Depressing? Yup
    Sickening? Yup

    What to do? Any advice?

  3. Bloke in Italy

    And emigration of youth doesn’t seem to change the perspective at all.
    Young people can’t get homes for themselves – we talk about ‘Green Belt’ in the UK; ‘heritage’ in Italy. Young people can’t find jobs and leave the country – we talk of social cohesion and protections and dignities. The Pope – FFS the Pope – rails against low wages but never seems to talk about unemployment and NEVER EVER links wages and employment rates.
    Italy bewails the low birth rate, but never ask why.

  4. @Bilbaoboy

    ‘What to do? Any advice?’

    1. Enjoy your life as best you can.
    2. Bring your kids up as best you can.
    3. Agitate about all of this insofar as it doesn’t start to affect your health.
    4. Get a shotgun, some tinned food, a bit of gold, and some life skills – not full-on survivalist lunacy, but enough to withstand lumpy delivery of goods and services which are, it seems to me, inevitable.

  5. Ed Miliband rebrands Labour as party of fiscal responsibility

    Americans have a funny expression, used to sarcastically shoot down bad ideas: “let’s not, and say we did.”

    Our politicians and media and academia folks have a slightly different mantra: “let’s say we did, and reality will bend to suit.”

    We are living in the post-rational, post-masculine age. Talk has replaced action. Wishful thinking has replaced hard-nosed realism. Feels are more highly regarded than facts.

    We mock our medieval forebears for debating the quantity of angels that can boogie on a pinhead, but modern pinheads earnestly ponder how many windmills it takes to appease the goddess Gaia

    Ed says “Mummy, I want us to be the party of fiscal responsibility!”

    And – poof! – as if by magic, fiscal responsibility appears.

    Men wear dresses and call themselves women, and – poof! – the BBC agrees to call him a her. And Labour congratulates themselves on selecting him/her as a candidate. Much progressive! So wow!

    And politicians of all parties witter endlessly about the deficit, the deficit, the deficit… but what about the debt?

    Poof! Tumbleweed.

    If you want an example of how our overeducated elites hypnotise themselves with words, look no further than the end of that Guardian piece:

    Manchester is the scene of Miliband’s greatest and most difficult moments.

    I don’t want to be horrible to Ed, because he looks like he still gets bullied by schoolboys.

    But… “greatest moments”? Ed?

    Wot?

    I checked again, just to be sure.

    No, it’s not Winston Churchill, Maggie Thatcher, or Eddie the Eagle they’re talking about.

    Ed “greatest moments” Miliband.

    I don’t want to live on this planet any more.

  6. bloke (not) in spain

    As Guido alertly spotted, the print edition of the Graun had “Labour as the party of fiscal irresponsibility” as its copy.

  7. We get the politicians we as an electorate deserve. A majority of the electorate wants more benefits, has a religious commitment to the NHS, wants more state intervention in industry and believes that the tax-avoiding rich should pay more. So most politicians try to bribe the electorate with their own money.

    And so it looks like Plato was right – democracy eventually tips over into tyranny. Democracy is a good thing, but it is not an absolute good, so too much democracy is bad for a polity. A healthy democracy requires a constitution with some undemocratic or non-democratic elements to act as a restraint on populism and to prevent the tyranny of the majority and mob rule. We still have an independent judiciary (though a politicised DoP and political correctness are chipping away at it), the House of Lords will be reformed as an elected body, and autonomous institutions – from charities to the family – are undermined and co-opted by the ‘courageous’ state.

  8. bilbaoboy,

    “What to do? Any advice?”

    Honestly, I think many of us have to accept that we’re now in a vicious cycle of debt, and promises to increase spending and to tell our kids to get off the ship before it sinks.

    And it’s not about the parties, it’s about us. We’ve become a nation that just wants a pony rather than asking how the government is going to pay for it.

    Look at Greece. They’re completely committed to magic pony economics as a people. They ran an unsustainable economy and got into hot water. Did they then vote for a Thatcher or an Adenauer to sort out the economy? No, they voted magic pony in the form of Syriza. When their version of magic pony economics doesn’t work, they’ll probably vote for Golden Dawn’s magic pony economics. What will snap them out of it? Probably a very deep shock. Civil war, maybe. See enough destruction and bloodshed and you might realise that magic pony economics doesn’t work.

    What’s worrying is that when you look at the places in the world with a sense of “you’re largely responsible for your success”, they’re places that came through war or fascism. South Koreans aren’t many generations from being subsistence rice farmers. There’s people living in Vietnam who fought for Ho Chi Minh who had to find rats to eat. Know why there are so many Indian software developers? Because Indian kids parents will push them to go to university to learn to be programmers. They still have a culture of “and what job will you get with a film studies degree” rather than “it’s really important to explore his potential”.

  9. How many of the electorate even understands what “the deficit” is? How many care that it is a problem?

    Our culture’s number one path to wealth is now property speculation. Number two is probably the lottery, at least in terms of public perception. Colossal debt doesn’t seem to be something to fear anymore.

  10. What South Korea needs is a generation or two of being “a property owning democracy”. That’ll fuck their work ethic up good and proper.

  11. The only real problem (apart from natural disasters etc) is that most people are thick as pig shit. Or rather choose to be thick as such. They don’t –usually–lack the grey matter. Sat down with a gun to their head and the assurance of failure=death most would soon pick up the rudiments of maths, logic etc.

    Say rather that most people are lazy and prefer slogans to thought. This will bite them on the arse and prob sooner rather than later. The next problem is that adversity generally drives people further into their already established stupid ideas rather than setting the stage for a reality check.

    Interested: If you have shotgun, gold and tinned food you ARE a survivalist, wilder shores not withstanding. Welcome to the club.

  12. “…depends upon how damn fucking stupid the rest of us are.”

    Seemingly more than a third of voters are.

    Enough to clinch it for Labour.

    I note too Cameron has promised to spend £8bn more on the World Class NHS and the ‘fucking stupid’ don’t realise that’s their money he is slinging down the sluice, they think he’s doing them a big, generous favour.

  13. ” Because Indian kids parents will push them to go to university to learn to be programmers.”

    There’s a BBC4 TV series going out at the moment on ‘India’s Frontier Railways”. One of a long line of series on Indian railways and it features the usual roster of kids, homeless usually, pan-handling their way to a living and some sort of future.

    Not a whiff of sitting around waiting for ‘gummint’ to give ’em a hand-out,

    The contrast between their total commitment to some sort of effort whilst surrounded by total poverty and our population’s complete subservience to Welfare and waiting for hand is shameful and shaming.

    Such attitudes will probably decide this election and we’ll be back in the shit for another 5 years just as we are beginning – and only beginning – to climb out of it again.

  14. @Ecks

    I have a shotgun because I like shooting. The rest of it isn’t survivalism as I understand it – it’s just to get me and mine out of a hole should one appear. Hardcore survivalists are I think a bit mad, not least because it’s not going to work – you’re the only fat guy in your village, people are going to come after what you have. If it gets that bad, we’re all probably fucked.

  15. I heard a c0uple 0f days ag0 – the wealthy sh0uld pay their fair share.
    Quite h0w much a fair share is was n0t defined n0r why the wealthy sh0uld be paying it rather than high earners paying it.
    What is the fair share 0f tax? £15k a year? Less? M0re?
    If its that level 0f tax then indeed m0st pe0ple will n0t be paying their fair share. As we d0 n0t have a wealth tax then that will include the wealthy.
    The public, egged 0n by the media and p0liticians, want a wealth tax and a sales tax regardless 0f whether these are payable 0r indeed a g00d idea.

  16. Guys, I believe the term used these days is ‘prepper’. And yes if y0u are kn0wn t0 be a prepper then y0ur days will be numbered in a disaster 0r pr0blem if 0thers are aware y0u have f00d, p0wer 0r transp0rt.

  17. It’s similar to carrying snow chains around in the back of your car in Britain. If it snows it’s great foresight, except that no-one else bothered and their cars are very happily blocking the road you, and you alone, are perfectly capable of driving down.

    You can plan all you want, but everyone else will fuck it up anyway.

  18. Bilbaoboy

    I’m not sure I can offer any solace or advise – Every comment here resonates (no doubt Arnald will be along to hurl insults at us at some point later on)

    ‘Gone is any concept of self-reliance, a moral view or personal, social and fiscal responsibility and all our parties are ‘social democrats’ given over to power-seeking via the promise of milk and honey and whatever is likely to turn you on tomorrow. It is unfortunately what works’

    One of the shocking aspects of this election campaign, surely the worst ever seen in the UK, is there is almost nothing about Foreign policy at all (maybe because the EU decides it- who knows?) I’m beginning to think it will need ‘Jihadi John’ and his acolytes to start beheading people in Trafalgar Square before people wake up and smell the coffee. Whilst we decide on the amount that the taxpayer can spare to fund our chosen ‘lifestyle’ violent fanatics edge ever closer to killing us all. Like the ever- brilliant Steve’s post indicated, it’s enough to induce thoughts of ending it all.

  19. Van Patten

    That’s a whole other thing.

    For the last 3 years I have been telling people here that the radical Islamists are after us and they will achieve it. I link them to the Norwegian mosque video, I explain who put the bombs in London….I still have friends (hmmm) who think that by being nice we can get round them. Muticulturally seduce them,you know how it goes. My question is, if that doesn’t work, are you prepared to fight and exterminate them, because they ain’t going to give in.

    Just a few days ago, they arrested some Spanish (real Spanish) converts who were planning to kidnap somebody, dress them in orange overalls and behead them before publishing the inevitable video. We don’t even need to import them.

    – AGW/energy policy
    – immigration without assimilation and
    – pandering to deliberately ignorant gimmies

    are going to do for us

  20. Interested: Prepper.
    I’ve always thought It would be sensible to get a diesel generator. Though maybe it’s possible to convert car engines. I guess it wouldn’t be too long before fuel becomes the main issue. And don’t really want to be storing spare fuel in the home.

  21. This election is about each party promising to give you stuff by taking stuff from other people, while simultaneously warning you that the other parties will take your stuff and give it to other people.

  22. bloke (not) in spain

    “…our population’s complete subservience to Welfare and waiting for hand is shameful and shaming”

    Pick up where I left off on another thread, then.
    This far from reflects the actual population. Even down at the bottom of the heap there’s plenty who are ready to do some serious striving to better themselves. The vast majority. A lot do. It’s called the black economy. For a lot of the rest they’d like to if they got the chance. If it wasn’t for those who made it to the mid rungs on the ladder puling the foot up out of their reach as hard as they can.

    The biggest beneficiaries of the Welfare State are & have been for a couple generations the middle classes. They get the good state schools give their kids a better shot a jobs, the better health provision, the better policing, reliable public transport & their oh so expensive but store-of-wealth housing is the result of the government’s insane financial welfare policies.

  23. “One of the shocking aspects of this election campaign, surely the worst ever seen in the UK, is there is almost nothing about Foreign policy at all ”

    Yes! It’s been a campaign of midgets thus far. The labour Shadow Foreign Minister is probably going to lose his seat as well, but that doesn’t really matter as I can’t think of one time, ever that I’ve heard him, or Milliboy, mention foreign affairs.

    Also re: Preppers — Well if that floats a chaps boat who am I to tell him he’s wrong? Myself? If society is going to crumble I’d rather go out with a month long bender as the shit goes down rather than fighting mutants for scraps in the aftermath.

    Too many of these ppl (and I’m mainly talking about the yanks here) seem to think it’s going to be an awesome mad max style adventure and they’re going to be Mel Gibson shotgunning mohawked aussie bikers in the face as opposed to some grim, post soviet-esque hellhole with organised, tracksuit wearing gangsters.

  24. Dan – Surely there is no bender that cannot be improved upon with a gun and unlimited supplies of spam.

  25. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Hallowed Be
    April 13, 2015 at 1:40 pm

    Interested: Prepper.
    I’ve always thought It would be sensible to get a diesel generator. Though maybe it’s possible to convert car engines. I guess it wouldn’t be too long before fuel becomes the main issue. And don’t really want to be storing spare fuel in the home.”

    Get a windmill and/or solar panels. There’s the added benefit that you will be getting them subsidised as you prepare.

  26. bloke (not) in spain

    Big advantage to a diesel genny is it’ll run on cooking oil. As can you, at a pinch.

  27. bilbaoboy,

    > “I still have friends (hmmm) who think that by being nice we can get round them.”

    The French would call them collaborators.

  28. Ed Miliband has pledged to reduce the deficit every year. So if there is another oil/gas price shock, such as Gazprom turning off the taps to punish the EU for supporting Ukraine and unemployment jumps,. he will viciously increase taxes in the subsequent recession to compensate for the rise in unemployment and means-tested benefits and the fall in income and corporation tax receipts to prevent the “automatic stabiliser” effect. This should, in theory, trigger a deflationary slump.

    Does this guy have the faintest idea about economics? One should hope so, with two degrees in Economics, but he must either be ignorant, stupid, malicious or lying (or some combination).

  29. The Islamic radicals are right in one respect. We are decadent and declining and most people neither see this nor care.

    I was talking about this with a Syrian colleague the other day. I am asking myself why should the “silent majority” of Muslims speak out against other Muslims in defence of western values and principles that we ourselves abandoned long ago. If you’re a Muslim, better stick to your own principles, because we have few left to offer them.

  30. The biggest beneficiaries of the Welfare State are & have been for a couple generations the middle classes. They get the good state schools give their kids a better shot a jobs, the better health provision, the better policing, reliable public transport & their oh so expensive but store-of-wealth housing is the result of the government’s insane financial welfare policies.

    This is exactly right: Britain is run by and for the middle classes. Just look at the policy to prop up house prices to understand that.

  31. Guess who ?

    ‘The sign is when we get a tax policy that costs money but is the right thing to do for society

    That will be when we have crossed the Rubicon’

  32. “This is exactly right: Britain is run by and for the middle classes. Just look at the policy to prop up house prices to understand that.”

    I’m not sure I agree with this. The idea, as promoted by Brown, and foolishly accepted by so many, was that house prices going up was fabulous because it created wealth. Many people did indeed borrow against their houses for short-term reasons.

    The house price situation is really very serious in my view. The percentage of households who are homeowners is already falling, for the first time ever. Roll this forward to the conclusion: a few owners, with the great majority paying the mortgage through rent. This is an alarming regression.

    We won’t get there of course. We’ll either have revolution, or a sensible government that understands what the problem is.

  33. Btw, to those who describe Labour voters as stupid:

    Can you explain why they should be voting Conservative?

    This isn’t 1983 that’s for sure.

  34. The welfare state needs to be dismantled or seriously cut back. With nearly 25% of the population in receipt of some benefit or other (it was less than 5% in the 1950’s) it is not surprising that the State has become Big Daddy and self-reliance is a swear word. The sad thing is it was done with good intentions but has destroyed incentives and created unemployment, alienation and misery.

  35. “The biggest beneficiaries of the Welfare State are & have been for a couple generations the middle classes. They get the good state schools give their kids a better shot a jobs, the better health provision, the better policing, reliable public transport & their oh so expensive but store-of-wealth housing is the result of the government’s insane financial welfare policies.”

    I grant you your point about housing. But how does the middle class helping their children to get good jobs have anything to do with state welfare? And in the case of schools and policing, the middle class don’t get the best, but they make the schools in their neighbourhoods better by their aspirations for their children and they make their neighbourhoods easier to police by being law abiding. Have you got a chip on your shoulder or something?

    Ecksy

    Your posts are a logic-free zone. You are either mentally ill/retarded or as thick or even thicker than the electorate you berate.

  36. Theophrastus is right re the middle classes. They cause less bother, take less out of the system and pay the majority in.

    My village, we don’t see a policeman from one month to the next (a regular BNIS complaint). But it’s not a problem because there’s no (acquisitive or violent) crime.

    Why not?

    Because the lowlife are too lazy to come out here and we don’t do that kind of thing to ourselves (or anyone else).

    But we *are* paying for the police who spend their lives trying to sort out the Facebook death threats and drunken brawlings of the underclass.

    @Jack C

    Labour voters are stupid only in this sense, that the carousel cannot continue forever. They should vote Conservative only because the Tories are possibly marginally better than labour on waste and public spending.

    A proper Conservative government elected by the English for England would probably be a very good thing. Roll on Scottish and Welsh independence.

  37. Interested,
    Possibly, in theory, however I don’t see any obvious ideological difference between the leaders. Don’t forget, Osborne was committed to continuing New Labour spending, up until the wheels fell off.

    I shall probably end up voting Conservative myself, however I couldn’t claim that a public sector worker on 25k was stupid to vote Labour.

  38. Theo, Theo, Theo–getting nasty now?

    I suspect the bile is rising because you can see that your Blue-rinsed hero is going down the pan. A leftist-sucking moron who loves his own middle-class Marxist “values” more than political suckcess(sic), he turned a 26 point lead over the Bottler into a desperate compromise last time. This time he has broken every promise and insulted and betrayed millions who might have voted for the Conservatives. More than enough to have won easily in days gone by. You know Theo–those nasty waycist, sexist days of yore that the BluLabour snot-nosers of today look back on and despise. Not to mention his bungling and inaction over the constituency boundaries and the postal fraud beloved of ZaNu. Both might have made all the difference.

    Camorgueron will likely lose cos he–like you–is a loser. Your investments are going down the same pan along with millions of others. The financial state of this country (and the West in general: even if we had a magic “out” the Yanks and the Eurotrash and the Japanese are going down and we won’t stay afloat in those seas) admits of no other outcome. Neither cheek of the arse can stop it–they don’t even understand it.

    It is actually better if the shit hits the fan under Milliboy. At least socialism will get the blame for its own shite. Even if a lot of it came out of BlueLab rectum.

    Just make sure you have your shotgun and your tinnies and some gold. Those will be far better investments than any you now have.

  39. Ecksy

    No, no, not nasty: just being frank with you.

    You say the Tories are going down the pan, but in the real world Guardian/ICM gives them a six point lead today. Meanwhile, even Nige is urging his supporters to vote Conservative where UKIP has no chance of winning — ie everywhere apart from about 10 seats.

    As for gold, I agree with Interested’s four points. So I have some gold, but I’m not a gold bug.

  40. The only pole that matters is in May. If your boy does win its just more of the same destructive shite he is already up to.

    The economic crunch will still come regardless.

    Surprised to hear you had enough gumption to own some gold. But even a stopped clock etc.

  41. @Jack C

    “Don’t forget, Osborne was committed to continuing New Labour spending, up until the wheels fell off.”

    Oh, yes, absolutely – I agree entirely about the public sector worker on £25k, too (though as I say, it’s a question of whether you are prepared to sacrifice that now for a better future; not many would, but to do so wouldn’t be stupid).

    Re Osborne, I have some sympathy for him in this narrow sense, that the terms of the debate have been set for a very long time by the BBC and the intelligentsia, which is broadly left leaning.

    The culture, and the education system, has drifted left for decades, and in that context it has become very hard for the Tories to say and do what they would probably like to.

    In a world where Theresa May describes her own party – which is full of people who believe in supporting families, working hard, charity, abiding by the law of the land – as the Nasty Party is a world where the realpolitik war has been lost.

    Osborne and Cameron had very little chance.

    I still won’t vote for them; they should have let Labour own the mess they created.

    (I know two people who know Cameron very well; the Old Etonian leftist, an exact school contemporary, hates him, while the comprehensively-educated right winger, who met him at university, says he is a genuine and nice man. Make of that what you will.)

  42. This was interesting from Guido: Capx. TL;DR the UK tax take as a fraction of GDP hasn’t deviated much from a range around 35% for decades, so Balls wouldn’t have much wiggle room. The article also refers to this interesting site – geert-hofstede.com, which analyses cultural differences. Compare UK & Greece…

  43. This time he has broken every promise and insulted and betrayed millions who might have voted for the Conservatives.

    Best bit was asking all “the fruitcakes” if – after all – they wouldn’t mind voting for him… Lame or what!

    Theo, people are being cautious about that Guardian poll as the raw data (ie before they adjust it) was considered quite skewed – I’m sure you saw that.

    As for Nigel, he is currently continually being quoted out of context by a media desperate either to down talk UKIP or ignore them.

    Anyway Theo, what does it matter. May 7th will be whatever it is, and nothing that you or I will say will change that. You no doubt will be voting for that nice centre left social democrat chappie and my best guess is that Mr Ecks probably won’t.

    And all of this talk of “well, if you don’t vote… you’ll get..” (or similar) is surely way beneath someone with the intellectual curiosity to form views / offer insights into Plato, the polity and democracy…

  44. Interested,
    They had a golden opportunity to change the terms of debate.

    In the lead up to the crash, there were many who saw trouble ahead: Cameron and Osborne, who had decided to back Brown, were vicious in the way they silenced internal critics.

    That’s why, come the fall, they were on the wrong side of the debate, had no real idea what to next, and had created a fair number of internal enemies.

    Osborne has grown since his Omnishambles humiliation – one can only guess at the stick he had from the back bench insultees to whom he had to grovel – but it’s still unclear what if anything the Tories stand for.

    As for Cameron, nice on the surface, but no gentleman surely?

  45. For those who want to understand what happens by people who have actually been through the collapse of their country, try these two blogs:

    http://ferfal.blogspot.co.nz/

    This guy is Argentinian and he experienced the collapse of the economy and the problems that resulted. No “Mad Max” road warriors but plenty of advice regarding surviving in a country where social order hasn’t completely broken down.

    http://shtfschool.com/blog/

    This guy is from the Balkans (Bosnia, Serbia perhaps) and this blog is a much darker, more traumatic one than the first. This blog describes what happens when civil society DOES break down and there is no restraint.

    http://shtfschool.com/blog/

    These people HAVE hard, practical experience of what they are talking about and not merely speculating about “what ifs …”.

    Fnally Pasha Glubb wrote an essay called the Fate of Empires – about how they develop, flourish and eventually collapse:

    http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

    Note I emigrated to New Zealand six and a bit yearsa ago because I did not like the trends in the UK. Hence the blog link with “NZ” at the end – it works from the UK though ..

    Happy reading.

  46. bloke (not) in spain

    (I know two people who know Cameron very well; the Old Etonian leftist, an exact school contemporary, hates him, while the comprehensively-educated right winger, who met him at university, says he is a genuine and nice man. Make of that what you will.)

    What I’d make of that is Plausible Dave. Comes over all right if you don’t know him.

  47. @Jack C

    Yep, probably right. In the end, they either didn’t see the opportunity or weren’t prepared to take the risk. (Though do we want to elect imaginative risk takers as politicians? I genuinely don’t know.)

    @BNIS

    Yes, I said ‘who know Cameron very well’.

    @Phil B

    Good links ta. As I said above, I am not personally a believer in bugging out or survivalism, not least because it’s next to impossible on a small and densely populated island like ours and because I don’t *think* we’ll ever get to Balkan levels of depravity here. I have been to the Balkans; they make intra-Northern Irish antipathy look very tame.

    As someone who could survive in the boondocks for quite a long time if necessary, I would be more thinking that way if I lived in some remote corner of the States or Europe.

  48. bloke (not) in spain

    OH FFS, Interested.
    “@BNIS
    Yes, I said ‘who know Cameron very well’.

    He’s got that better public school gloss they go there to learn. They’re almost impossible to dislike, if they want you to like them. Known a few myself & you have to keep kicking yourself & reminding yourself “This bloke’s a shit. Don’t fall into the spell” It’s the way they treat the world of people, aren’t them & are beneath their contempt.
    Guy who went to school with him, watched him learn it.

  49. bloke (not) in spain

    Come to think of it, I could have one of them knocking on the door, any minute. If he’s deigning to canvas. Same school if I remember rightly. The charming smile’ll get him kicked all the way down the front path. I used to work with the fat useless cnut. I know what an utter waste of human skin he is.

  50. Oh FFS BNIS

    ‘He’s got that better public school gloss they go there to learn. They’re almost impossible to dislike, if they want you to like them.’

    Mad. By your lights, everyone would love Cameron – unless he’s got some weird plan to get people to dislike him.

    Your argument seems to amount to: “You can’t like or trust them. Unless you don’t know the code, in which case you can’t *help* liking or trusting them. Even then, if you *forget* you know the code, you can’t help liking or trusting them. I know all of this, because it’s my opinion.”

    Well, it’s a theory.

    Look, I went to one of those schools, and they really are not the cookie cutter places of your fevered imagination. They turn out charming extroverts, weird introverts and all types in between. Just like most places.

  51. PF:

    “people are being cautious about that Guardian poll as the raw data (ie before they adjust it) was considered quite skewed”

    Rightly so. What matters is the average of polls and pollsters. I mentioned the poll as a rhetorical response to our resident community care case who had claimed that the Tory campaign was going down the pan.

    “May 7th will be whatever it is…”etc
    The future is not fixed; the future is open. And fatalism is false – involving an elementary error in tense logic.

  52. Independent schools “turn out charming extroverts, weird introverts and all types in between. Just like most places.”

    True. But, that said – and I know some fine state educated people – state schools turn out far more semi-feral scumbags bent on a life of parasitism and crime.

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