This isn’t bad from the Witch

“I’m more convinced than ever that our future in the 21st century depends on our ability to ensure that a child born in the hills of Appalachia or the Mississippi Delta or the Rio Grande Valley grows up with the same shot at success that Charlotte will,” she continued. “Becoming a grandmother has made me think deeply about the responsibility we all share as stewards of the world we inherit and will one day pass on. Rather than make me want to slow down, it has spurred me to speed up.”

Good speechifying, decent rhetoric.

I hope like hell she doesn’t win but that’s not bad. Cute, talking from her position, admitting privilege, populist (ish), my that’s almost as if Bill was writing the speech.

BTW, my incomplete understanding of the US system is that Bill could run again (I think, think, it’s not two terms, but more than two consecutive) and don’t we all think he’d kill it in a landslide?

48 thoughts on “This isn’t bad from the Witch”

  1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    22nd amendment.

  2. What’s the main objection to her? She bungled healthcare reform in the past, but then it always was a tough topic in America. She’s pro-choice, but so is anyone on the American left. She seems fairly sensible on foreign policy. She doesn’t have direct experience in running a business, but she worked as a lawyer and sat on the boards of directors for Walmart and other big companies. She’s rich enough to not need the job. There’s quite a lot for a swing voter to like.

  3. So Much for Subtlety

    Andrew M – “What’s the main objection to her?”

    She is a corrupt evil witch?

    “She bungled healthcare reform in the past, but then it always was a tough topic in America.”

    She bungled what ought to be the easiest task in the world – giving people “free” health care is a no-brainer. It is amazing America has held out so long and even then it hasn’t really.

    “She’s pro-choice, but so is anyone on the American left.”

    She is in favour of the ninth-month type of abortions. It is not true that anyone on the Left is pro-abortion. At least not when they involve inducing labour. That is why the media will never ask Democratic shills about Gosnel or partial birth abortion. As Rand Paul made clear recently. A very respectable number of Democrat voters do not like abortion past the 20 weeks or so.

    “She seems fairly sensible on foreign policy.”

    America’s foreign policy is in complete collapse – under her watch. She has bungled everything she touches. She lied about being shot at in Bosnia. She stood by while American officials were murdered in Benghazi. And then lied about it. She got walked over by the Russians. She has no foreign policy because she has no opinions on any matter except interior decorating.

    “She doesn’t have direct experience in running a business, but she worked as a lawyer and sat on the boards of directors for Walmart and other big companies.”

    She was involved in corrupt legal dealings, and lied about those too, and she has peddled her influence to bargain her way into the boards of some companies that need some protection from Washington. This is a bad thing.

    “She’s rich enough to not need the job.”

    Which is odd for someone who has never had a real job in her life. But then she was selling favours for donations to her “charitable” foundation. As we see with Colombia’s Trade deal this week.

    “There’s quite a lot for a swing voter to like.”

    She has done nothing but married the right man and put up with endless abuse from him. She hates normal mothers and is an indifferent one herself. She trashes other women when it is politically expedient. She has no obvious skills or talent. Or even work experience, at least before she was Secretary of State and she does not have a good record to run on there. All she brings to the table is a long history of corrupt dealings and a massive sense of entitlement.

    Apart from that, I am sure she is a fine candidate.

  4. So Much for Subtlety

    “I’m more convinced than ever that our future in the 21st century depends on our ability to ensure that a child born in the hills of Appalachia or the Mississippi Delta or the Rio Grande Valley grows up with the same shot at success that Charlotte will,” she continued.

    The first follow up question should have been how did her daughter get all her non-jobs that paid extremely well, did Hilary contribute in any way and how does she propose to pull those same strings for every unaccompanied child illegally crossing into the US?

  5. Sub Specie AEternitatis

    Ah, no, your honor:

    “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” U.S. Const. amend. XII.

  6. “She has done nothing but married the right man and put up with endless abuse from him.”

    I realise you meant “right man” in the sense of her career prospects, but she is complicit in the intimidation and silencing of women who had affairs with Bill, and potentially women who were raped by him. She’s far from the innocent partner in that relationship.

  7. the great zero could have reformed healthcare by starting from the premise that a lot of US Healthcare is already “socialized” (scary word) if you have no income. Thje problem is that it is not socialized in any rational way for people with low incomes.

    His reforms could have tried to look at low earning people with chronic conditions, who cannot access health insurance from their employers (eg the states for special ed teachers as an example), and tried to provide it. If you are diabetic or asthmastic or…. and are not either so highly paid that you have insurance or so lowly paid that you get “socailized medicine”, you are fucked and are left to die. It is survival of the fittest and those least fitted….a strange way of organising things, to my point of view.

  8. The guy who seemed to have dirt on Hillary Clinton conveniently died as did the one who seemed to have dirt on Chritina Kirchner and Putin principal opponent. I vehemently hope that she doesn’t win – I thought Thatcher and Reagan had had rolled back the dominance of leftie dictators.
    re: Healthcare reform, The unpardonably stupid (and arrogant) decision by Barack Obama not to take over McCain’s healthcare reforms, making his policy look bi-partisan and certain to go through both houses, and then slip through a series of minor amendments put back the reforms by two years and produced a significantly wordse system. The Democrats had majorities in both houses and could not pass the legislation because it was drafted by triumphalist left-wing Democrats and was unacceptable to moderate Democrats. The Washington Post and other liberal media portrayed the delay as partisan politics by the Republicans – except the Republicans didn’t have enough votes in either the Senate or the House of Representatives in 2009 to play partisan politics.

  9. God, she even failed the bar exams in DC. Her entire “career” is being Slick Willie’s wife. Any real feminist would run a mile from the corrupt shitbag.

  10. @SSA

    It’s complicated – the 22nd amendment talks about eligibility to be elected president, not eligibility to serve as president. It is arguable that someone could be ineligible to be elected, but still eligible to serve. I think it’s clear what the spirit of the law means, but courts do have a habit of going by the letter of the law.
    In practice, whatever people think of her, she is intelligent enough to know that it would be an incredibly bad idea!

    (Some discussion here http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/vice-president-bill-clinton/ )

  11. She is a vile socialistic bitch who wants to see America destroyed by turning it into a socialistic shithole. She and her equally vile husband have been up to their wrinkled necks in every type of murk and corruption from their very earliest days on the political scene. People who know too much about the dirty financial dealings of them both have a habit of dying or committing “suicide” under mysterious circumstances. She is a liar, a traitor and an enemy of every manifestation of the freedom for which the West once stood.

  12. john77: do you really believe what you wrote about US healthcare? The truth is that Obama spend some time (too much time) putting together a consensus agreement including Republican ideas he had previously opposed. And then the Republican party decided to oppose anything he put forward. It wouldn’t have mattered whether it was McCain’s, or Romney’s, or Gingrich’s, or Dole’s ideas he was proposing, it mattered only that he was Obama who backed them.

  13. Seeing what her and O’s Middle East policies have wrought, what with the Saudi’s and Iran scrabbling for Yemen and the whole Shia/Sunni divide being weaponised with nukes.(what did the Saudis receive from Pakistan in return for their generosity?), the third world war may just be shorter than the interminable run up to the next election and inauguration.

  14. ran official e-mails through a private server that apparently got wiped.

    Sold favours through her “charitable foundation” (name some of its works without googling, aside from lining the pockets of Clintons Père, Mère et Fille) while in the Administration.

    Laughed on tape about having got a blatantly guilty rapist off after going after the poor girl (who was 12 or something) on the stand.

    Got very rich with shady deals (the first big one was cattle futures).

    Only managed to save about 700% of her gross salary while in governmental roles, the poor thing.

    But hell, what difference does it make?

  15. She’s a bare faced liar and blatantly in politics for the power and self-aggrandisement. She has no ethics, no moral compass and no reflection. She would sell her own children to slave traders for more votes. Even for a politician, she’s a lying self-absorbed power hungry weasel.

  16. She cares passionately that every child born has a future etc etc etc
    And 1 month before that she cares passionately for the woman’s ‘right to choose” and end that child’s life before it leaves the womb.
    Some please explain.

  17. PaulB

    It didn’t matter if it was McCain’s or Romney’s idea…
    Had he asked Senator McCain to lead the process and EXPLICITLY made it a consensus project I would accept that. But he didn’t did he. It was only 4 years ago. We were all there. We all know he made it a partizan issue as much about painting the Republicans as ogres.

  18. Doesn’t matter what Clinton has done. She’s going to be elected in 2016, without a doubt. Absolutely 100%.

    And the main reason for this will be the utter piss poor quality of the Republican candidates – who are even more hopeless than 2012 — Mitt bleedin Romney now looks like a sage-like elder statesman!

    The GOP will probably go for the establishment candidate (Bush) which will play out about as well as Romney. If they pick a wingnut like Cruz or Paul they get utterly, utterly smashed.

    President Hillary Clinton. Get used to it.

  19. I would think that Clinton is a horrible candidate (and horrible person), but she can win the presidency if the entire media goes in to bat for her and supports all the untruths in her favour and ignores every story that is contra to the Clinton narrative.

    And surely there’s no chance that the US media could be that biased is there…

    Surely any Republican candidate MUST mention at any debates the email fiasco, the donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments and companies that just happen to get favours, the Haiti fiasco for the Clinton Foundation, the $300K lectures to friendly audiences, not to mention all the ham-fisted statements like being broke on leaving the white House (they could barely afford the $1.6M deposit on a house !), and even this announcement acting as someone concerned with the “common person” while Elle runs an article on all the extremely expensive clothes and Jewellery Clinton and her daughter were wearing….

    The list goes on, the big risk would be if the Republican felt he had to defer in some way to Clinton and be polite; because this campaign will be full-on cultural warfare against men, and white men in particular.

  20. Mr Ecks: People who know too much about the dirty financial dealings of them both have a habit of dying or committing “suicide” under mysterious circumstances.
    And one of those suicides was committed enough to hold tight onto the gun after shooting himself in the head.

  21. Dan,

    “President Hillary Clinton. Get used to it.”

    Everyone was certain that she’d win the candidacy for the Democrats in 2008 and she didn’t even manage that.

    That said, she seemed to do fine as Secretary of State.

    My guess – she’ll get one term.

  22. @Paul B

    ‘And then the Republican party decided to oppose anything he put forward.’

    Well, almost no-one on either side read the bill, and those who wrote it lied about it. I suppose it was churlish not to support it under those circumstances.

    @Dan

    I don’t even think she’ll get the Dem nomination, much less the presidency. Warren is a better bet.

  23. @ Interested.

    Nah, sorry gonna have to disagree there. Warren isn’t running – and wouldn’t win if she did. There’ll be some token opposition from other Dems (looking for the VP or a plum cabinet post), but Hilz is gonna piss it.

    And sure, ppl were saying the same thing in 2008 — but that was not a normal election – despite what you may think of him Obama was v.good at campaigning and had a talented team around him.

    As for the main event – barring a huge (and I do mean HUGE – ‘Hillary personally strangled her underage lesbian Islamist lover’) scandal, or a major economic collapse, I just don’t see any scenario in which a Republicans (especially THESE republicans) can win.

    Jeb Bush will give it a go (and I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets the nom) – he’s not a lunatic, has the experience, fairly affable in that bland way that Americans like. Might be able to better Romneys numbers a little, but no more.

  24. ‘Hillary personally strangled her underage lesbian Islamist lover’: I hadn’t realised that the girl was underaged.

  25. Dan

    It wasnt that Obama’s team was good, it was that Hillary’s was run by idiots. It was quite funny earlier this week hearing from one of her supporters on R4, when he alluded to the fact that Hilary had done well, but not as well as Obama in winning delegates and noted that she had won California and other big states. What this insider was no doubt remembering was this –

    “Chief strategist Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state’s 370 delegates. It sounded smart, but as every high school civics student now knows, Penn was wrong: Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/mark-penn-reportedly-dumb_n_100809.html

  26. So Much for Subtlety

    Dan – “And the main reason for this will be the utter piss poor quality of the Republican candidates – who are even more hopeless than 2012 — Mitt bleedin Romney now looks like a sage-like elder statesman!”

    Nonsense. The Republicans have run with “moderate” candidates for the last decade or more and they have lost every time. President Palin might have won. She certainly enthused the base. John “I Hate Republicans” McCain did not. Nor did Romney of Romneycare fame. Even George Bush Senior only got one term.

    “The GOP will probably go for the establishment candidate (Bush) which will play out about as well as Romney. If they pick a wingnut like Cruz or Paul they get utterly, utterly smashed.”

    If they pick a Republican who is not an apologetic member of the Democratic party, they might fight on their own issues and not those of the Democratic party and hence the media. They may get their own voters to turn out. They cannot win with another Bush who calls himself Hispanic.

    “President Hillary Clinton. Get used to it.”

    She probably can’t win except against Jeb.

    Ed Snack – “I would think that Clinton is a horrible candidate (and horrible person), but she can win the presidency if the entire media goes in to bat for her and supports all the untruths in her favour and ignores every story that is contra to the Clinton narrative.”

    Well it worked for Obama. But he needed the IRS as well. And the EPA. In fact the entire weight of the state. Not sure Hilary will get all that.

  27. @Dan

    ‘Nah, sorry gonna have to disagree there. Warren isn’t running’

    Says who? Warren? But she’s a massive liar. Who knows, but I bet she runs and if she runs she’d have a better shot than Hillary. We’ll see!

  28. “She’s rich enough to not need the job.”

    Andrew, this represents a serious lack of understanding of the Clintons. They can never be rich enough. They are driven to acquire wealth.

  29. All right, but apart from the nepotism, the corruption, greed, lying, hiding her emails, failing the bar exam, being a beltway liberal, what has Hillary ever done to disqualify her from the presidency?

  30. @ PaulB
    Seriously? You must be joking!
    Obama delegated writing the healthcare reform Act to his left wing, who refused to compromise with moderate Democrats – let alone moderate Republicans.. So the votes were entirely partisan – *on one side*. Opposition was bi-partisan, Republicans and some Democrats, support was entirely partisan.

  31. So Much for Subtlety

    Matthew L – “Despite what you might hope, the bigot vote is too small to win an election.”

    It worked for Obama. As I keep saying, White people have given up on race. No one else has. Black people voted as a racial block. White people didn’t and still don’t. But they will. As in prison – if everyone else is part of a race-based gang, you have to join the Aryan Brotherhood.

    But of course you are just displaying your own prejudices. As your comment has nothing to do with what I said. The Right won’t get elected by being ashamed. If they have a message to sell, they need to sell it. Not try to explain why they are kinder and more gentle than the Left.

  32. If the message is “we hate faggots” then it doesn’t matter how well they sell it, they’re going to drive away an awful lot of otherwise conservative voters who think gay people should have rights.

  33. She probably can’t win except against Jeb.

    But that’s who they’ll probably pick, because they’re either clueless, or have no intention of winning.

    The last Republican candidate who really enthused the voters was Reagan, and he’d have little hope of being nominated today. Nominating Bush would be an open admission that the Republican part is done.

    I mean, seriously, does anyone really believe that, out of 300,000,000-odd Americans, the best two candidates anyone could find for President were another bloody Clinton and another bloody Bush?

  34. I mean, seriously, does anyone really believe that, out of 300,000,000-odd Americans, the best two candidates anyone could find for President were another bloody Clinton and another bloody Bush?

    That’s the problem, though. The whole thing has become so tightly controlled by an established elite, backed by vested interests as broad and deep as you can imagine, that out of those 300m Americans only about half a dozen would get the elites’ approval to even run. Anyone else would get torn to pieces through fear the cosy arrangement they now enjoy might get upset. Look at what happened to Palin, for example. The same media that doesn’t concern itself with Obama’s thesis or Clinton’s emails saw fit to report on Palin buying a new tanning bed. What needs to happen is more and more Americans refusing to vote, at least identifying to any non-elite candidate of the number that are sick of the current arrangement.

    Incidentally, I think Britain has the same problem too: are iDave and Millipede really the best leaders Britain’s 60m people have to offer? No, and for the same reasons.

  35. The biggest problem for American democracy is the ridiculous gerrymandering that goes on there. A House with approval ratings around the same level as flesh-eating bacteria has a re-election rate of 90%? That’s flat-out insane.

  36. So Much for Subtlety

    Matthew L – “If the message is “we hate faggots” then it doesn’t matter how well they sell it, they’re going to drive away an awful lot of otherwise conservative voters who think gay people should have rights.”

    You may be obsessed with homosexuality but I am not sure anyone else is. No doubt you see it everywhere, but I am hard pressed to see how you could have found it in my post.

    But, you know, whatever.

    As for American voters I am sure that a lot of conservatives think Gay people should have rights. So no doubt the “we hate faggots” will not work for the Republicans. Although it did work just fine for Obama. Twice. Who stood for election on a No-Gay-Marriage platform. Twice. And won.

    Those liberals aren’t quite as non-homophobic as you think.

  37. “You may be obsessed with homosexuality but I am not sure anyone else is.”

    I’m not, but the Republican party is. Well, “moral” issues in general, but a big part of it is trying to roll back gay rights.

    “So no doubt the “we hate faggots” will not work for the Republicans.”

    That’s right – and because they’re so invested in it they’re going to gift the White House to Hillary Clinton. Thanks, bigots! Just what we need, that evil harpy in power.

    “Obama. Twice. Who stood for election on a No-Gay-Marriage platform.”

    He didn’t make it the centre of his platform though. Big difference. Same as why I voted for (and convinced my wife, a life-long Labor voter to vote for) Tony Abbott’s party. Even though he’s anti-gay marriage, it’s not his main policy goal.

  38. @Matthew L

    But is it any Republican’s main policy goal? I don’t know, genuinely asking. I find it hard to believe it is. I think a lot of is it got up by the lefty Yank media.

  39. Obama delegated writing the healthcare reform Act to his left wing, who refused to compromise with moderate Democrats – let alone moderate Republicans..
    That’s the opposite of the truth. Obama might have been able to force through something radical while he had a supermajority in the Senate, but he chose instead to seek a consensus policy. What he arrived at was something based on the Baker-Dole-Daschle proposal, closely resembling RomneyCare. And the Republicans fought it like wildcats, not because it wasn’t a bipartisan proposal, but because it was a bipartisan proposal supported by Obama.

    It’s a mild disappointment to me that the sane right on this forum is unable to see that the sane right in US politics is currently represented by Obama.

  40. Andrew M
    April 13, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    All right, but apart from the nepotism, the corruption, greed, lying, hiding her emails, failing the bar exam, being a beltway liberal, what has Hillary ever done to disqualify her from the presidency?

    ===================

    “Mrs. Clinton, have you ever been convicted of a felony?”

    “Convicted?”

    “Yes, convicted.”

    “Uhh, no.”

    “Okay, you are qualified.”

  41. So Much for Subtlety

    Matthew L – “I’m not, but the Republican party is. Well, “moral” issues in general, but a big part of it is trying to roll back gay rights.”

    You know, at this point it is not a political discussion, it is a mental health issue. No one is putting the roll back of Gay rights at the centre of any campaign. You need help.

    “He didn’t make it the centre of his platform though. Big difference.”

    It is not the centre to anyone’s platform. Find me anyone standing who thinks it is even a big deal. The fact is what you would call homophobia is popular. That is why Obama lied for eight years.

  42. So Much for Subtlety

    PaulB – “he chose instead to seek a consensus policy.”

    Then he is spectacularly incompetent. As he could not even persuade all his own party to back him. You keep saying this as if it is true. It isn’t.

    “It’s a mild disappointment to me that the sane right on this forum is unable to see that the sane right in US politics is currently represented by Obama”

    That is amusing. Got back to CiF. You will be happier there. Take Ironman with you. We will keep Arnald.

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