The SNP has shown what is possible.

Now the passion for change that Scotland has shown can exist has to be recreated elsewhere.

That is very obviously possible, but what is clear is that if those with social and economic justice concerns want to see the country run with those interests to the fore then they cannot do so by working on an agenda dictated by the UK’s right wing parties, think tanks and press.

Building that narrative is now the task in hand.

So it’s all about the story told, not reality?

47 thoughts on “Hmm”

  1. I tried to have a discussion with a Green last night. Mostly about how their idea of creating more jobs to get the same output isn’t good, it’s insane. She just kept replying with the same vacuous soundbites about ‘vulnerable people’ & ‘there are other ways to do things’ that I might as well have been arguing with a Polly Toynbee random quote generator. Reality means nothing to these people. They think whatever they believe feels nice can be done. Mr Ecks is right when he calls them mentally ill.

  2. What will the Scottish Parliament look like after the 2016 election? Right now it’s half SNP and just under a third Labour. The SNP are firmly left-wing; so in the next Scottish election, why would a left-leaning voter choose Labour over the SNP? And does nobody in Scotland believe in small government?

  3. Ahahahahahaha.

    “What will the Scottish Parliament look like after the 2016 election? ”

    An SNP supermajority and (depending on the EU referendum result) a manifesto commitment to Scottish independence no matter what.

    “And does nobody in Scotland believe in small government?”

    Obviously not.

  4. The 45% of Yessers (actually 37%) voted SNP. The others voted for a range of parties. Where it will end I don’t know. There’s still a majority against secession.

    But a monolithic Nationalist Socialist party with a cult of The Leader – what could possibly go wrong?

  5. This election highlights one of the big issues with FPTP. The number of votes needed for a seat varies drastically depending on how local you are. The SNP for example have managed around 25k votes per seat so far, whereas Lib Dems for example are at ~280k votes per seat. UKIP is currently looking at 3.5m votes per seat.

    Doesn’t really sound like “democracy” to me.

    I’ve got a few more figures here

  6. “And does nobody in Scotland believe in small government?”

    Yes, just there is little point in us voting as there is no hope of success at the moment. The first step is to be able to advance such ideas without being shouted down and screamed at in the street. Ruth Davidson has made some steps in that direction.

    I’m also speculating that a lot of people who voted No in the referendum didn’t bother voting last night. It was pointless – the SNP were going to win nearly everywhere anyway.

    The English are going to get a shock when they see some of the absolute bampots and head cases that have been elected for the SNP. Serious loonies who’ve know Braveheart line by line. Although the positive is that they are going to face the scrutiny of the UK media and show themselves up for the blue-face painted mentalists they really are.

    It’s a disastrous result for Scotland. I just spoke to my department head, an impeccably polite and articulate gentleman from England, possibly one of the smartest men I’ve ever met. I think it’s the first time I’ve ever heard him swear. He said “Scotland has voted for a bunch of cunts. We’re fucked”.

    If people like him start leaving Scotland (and the SNP will be glad to see him go) then I’ll have no choice but to follow.

    Anyone got a vacancy for a competent actuary?

  7. So Murphy is saying that Labour need to copy the SNP?

    That socialism will only win elections when it is also nationalist? Well, that fits the way he has been going recently.

  8. ‘That socialism will only win elections when it is also nationalist? Well, that fits the way he has been going recently.’

    You have been awarded my Fair Comment Mark. That’ll be £ 25 please.

  9. What “passion for change”? The SNP vote shows that (aside from independence) the Scots want the 1970s’ Labour Party. Change is precisely what they’re resisting.

  10. If Cameron offers the Nats full fiscal autonomy, even offering them the chance to issue debt, would they take it? The figure suggest it would be a poisoned chalice, but would their ideology blind them to reality?

    On the basis the Scots want ‘an end to austerity’ I reckon we should give it to them, good and hard.

  11. Murphy is worried about the ‘stress’ this result places on the Union. He man who urged Scots.to vote Yes for independence is worried about the stress on the Union.

  12. He is now certain about the need for electoral reform though.
    What are electoral process needs is a ‘Moderator’. Someone who can stand in the booth and ‘delete’ your cross if you don’t vote for the Courageous State. And can then ban you from voting for being a ‘Troll’.

  13. Henry: It won’t be Nicola Sturgeon running the SNP. Alex Salmond has been elected to Westminster.

  14. > He is now certain about the need for electoral reform though.

    Whenever someone talks about electoral reform and giving the people a result that really reflects the way they voted, I always say, “Yes, you’re right, Major should have had a landslide in 92.” Weirdly, it rarely turns out that that’s what they mean.

  15. One policy that needs to be on the agenda is to open negotiations with the governments of Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela with regards to assisted emigration for the likes of Murphy, Owen Jones, Toynbee, Ivan Horrocks and all the rest of them – then the levy of a ‘socialist tax’ along the lines of Brown’s windfall levy on the privatized utilities on people who spout the kind of rubbish he comes out with. The idea of him ‘advising’ Kim Jong Un, Raul Castro or Maduro I confess to finding quite amusing…

  16. So Much for Subtlety

    Squander Two – “What “passion for change”? The SNP vote shows that (aside from independence) the Scots want the 1970s’ Labour Party. Change is precisely what they’re resisting.”

    What the Scots want is someone to shake down the English for cash and prizes. Now there is no chance of independence, it is safe to vote for the SNP – which can threaten the Tories more effectively than the Labour Party could.

    No doubt Cameron will reward them given his record of sh!tting over his friends and rewarding his enemies. He is the Tories’ Mark Oaten.

    Jim – “If Cameron offers the Nats full fiscal autonomy, even offering them the chance to issue debt, would they take it?”

    That would be brilliant. Call it the Greek solution. Fix them in a currency union and let them issue debt. They would have to take it. The voters of Scotland have spoken. Time for them to get what they voted for – and get it good and hard.

  17. 2 rays of sunshine in an otherwise bleak day.

    1 My vote against Neil Hay (SNP) in Edinburgh South helped to keep the vile cvnt out of Parliament and return the only Labour MP in Scotland.

    2 I discover that, as a Chartered Accountant, I am more interesting than GlenDorran, an Actuary.

  18. If I was Ruth Davidson I’d be mildly optimistic today. She’s managed to get 15% of the vote, for a party thats effectively viewed as the English Party, which is hardly the way to win friends and influence people in Scotland at the moment. That means that when the SNP f*ck things up, there’ll be a rich seam of votes to be mined for a pro-business/fiscal common sense/dare I say libertarian Scottish alternative. I could see Scotland settling into a Leftist SNP vs Rightist Scottish Tory battle, with Labour disappearing up the Swannee.

  19. I hope that the result of the SNP success does not mean mass immigration of disillusioned utopian socialists from south of the border just to compound our problems here.

  20. “Call it the Greek solution. Fix them in a currency union and let them issue debt.”

    That is an absolutely brilliant idea.

  21. BF:”I hope that the result of the SNP success does not mean mass immigration of disillusioned utopian socialists from south of the border just to compound our problems here.”

    Not a chance–the left like to blowhard about the wonders of socialism but when push comes to shove creature comforts win. Once the SNP start Scotland on the (even more) downbound train praise from afar and the odd flying visit is the most you can expect.

  22. bloke (not) in spain

    Richard
    In view of your obvious admiration for the Scots in so decisively embracing a true socialist party, had you not considered abandoning your Tory bastion in Norfolk, run by & for the wealthy & setting up home north of the border? Those of us who have left the land of our birth will tell you of the reward of living with neighbours one shares common principles & aims.
    P.Easy
    France –

    snigger

  23. I agree that Ruth Davidson can feel quietly confident about the future. Last night the Labour religion died out in Scotland. No more will people vote Labour because “my parents voted Labour”.

  24. The Scots have merely changed the brand of socialism they are shopping for. To an even worse one. Altho’ that is hardly possible but they seem to have done it.

  25. Good grief.

    The Scots have just gone “hopey changey” about independence. Try and ask a pro-independence Scot to explain why they’ll be richer and untangle the exaggerations and you realise a lot of them aren’t thinking straight.

    It’s like all the LD dreamers. People who thought they could somehow perform alchemy, then when they got into power realised they had to make the same hard decisions everyone else does.

    Within a couple of years of independence, most Scots will realise that they’re no richer than they were before.

  26. The SNP has shown what is possible.

    It’s well seen the tool has never lived under SNP rule. Well now he’s going to get a dose of Scottish National Socialism. Good and hard. I hope it chokes him.

  27. How will the SNP affect Murph Dr C?. As said above he is in a nice part of the South-East–a long way from the cold gruel-coloured sky of Scotland.

  28. “If people like him start leaving Scotland (and the SNP will be glad to see him go) then I’ll have no choice but to follow.

    Anyone got a vacancy for a competent actuary?”

    Not a problem, since the big insurance offices will surely do likewise.

  29. bloke (not) in spain

    MrX

    Richard Murphy’s reply to the enquiry quoted above was:

    “Who knows – if the right chance came along….”

    Official financial adviser to the Democratic Socialist Republic of Jockland? Probably got his eyes on his own tartan.

  30. @Mr Ecks

    How will the SNP affect Murph Dr C?.

    Probably not that much. He’ll just see what the Scots have to endure: a Scot with a grievance wearing a ghillie brogue stamping in a human face. Forever.

  31. I merely work for Big Oil – hardly the force for evil that we once were.

    Indeed, it’s all Climate Change and Diversity these days, isn’t it? We can’t bulldoze ancestral villages any more. 🙁

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