Vote early, vote often and vote UkipMay 7, 2015 Tim WorstallUKIP40 CommentsThink that just about covers the instructions for the day. previousDon’t like this at allnextIt’s not because he’s a Jew it’s because he’s a dork 40 thoughts on “Vote early, vote often and vote Ukip” Noel Scoper May 7, 2015 at 6:30 am For the 4th election in a row, my voting paper has arrived in Hong Kong 2 days before being due back. My postal vote is useful only as address proof sent back to the UK Passport Office. Bernie G. May 7, 2015 at 7:04 am Fingers crossed for Farage in South Thanet. Daedalus May 7, 2015 at 7:25 am “Vote often”??? That may well happen in some constituencies here in West Yorkshire, but I will put a £ to a pinch of Chinese shit that Mr. Saddiqui won’t be voting UKIP. Ironman May 7, 2015 at 7:51 am Vote Ukip… and put Ed Miliband in Downing Street. That really DOES cover it. Henry Crun May 7, 2015 at 8:23 am If Miliband does become PM our best hope is that he emulates Spencer Perceval bilbaoboy May 7, 2015 at 8:23 am Downloaded the UKIP manifesto yesterday. (No, not too late, I don’t have a vote over there anymore). Resonated to a greater extent than any other. I really hope you don’t get the Milli. He is ‘unbelievable’ in every sense. All I need is for someone from the Labour Party to say he has charisma and I’ll probably need to change my trousers from laughing. My daughter (takes after the old man politcally despite her tender young 22 years) is on the BBC election night programme despite/after declaring her sympathies. So there is one who isn’t Labour! Her boyfriend is a lovely chap. But the whole bloody family vote Labour and one works as a SpAd. Love is blind. 5% unemployment and Cameron isn’t on to a majority. The problem is to be all things to all focus groups and you end up in the middle of nowhere. ‘Nuff rambling. Business is picking up and time to send out another quote to a big company. Bernie G. May 7, 2015 at 8:27 am It’s a win-win for most voters. Vote Conservative and we get a relatively capable government. If this strategy fails we have PM Miliband to rail against for the next five years – the perfect Aunt Sally to blame for all of life’s ills. Ian B May 7, 2015 at 8:27 am My cat is also voting UKIP, though for postal voting purposes she is currently known as Sadiq Muhammad. The Great Redacto May 7, 2015 at 8:28 am Vote before 10pm, vote once, and, if necessary, put a peg on your nose and vote to stop Labour: it may not be a binary choice but it’s still a binary outcome. Bloke in North Dorset May 7, 2015 at 8:33 am @The Great Redacto, My conclusion in a sailing forum post is that I won’t need a clothes peg, its a full NBC suit that’s needed. The whole damn lot of them are toxic. Mr Ecks May 7, 2015 at 8:44 am If Milliboy wins Camorgueron has no one to blame except himself. Rather than give up one iota of his poison middle-(in his case upper) class Marxist bullshit he would rather lose the election. Perhaps he couldn’t face his Guardianista pals around the dinner-table if he became a real Tory or maybe his wife won’t let him. That was so in 2010 when he turned a 26 point lead down to 3 and it is so now. He rather demands that all those he has both betrayed and insulted swallow their principles and vote for him lest Milli win. He isn’t going to move an inch. Cos he doesn’t have to . He is a feckless, lazy useless parasite–a dilettante playing at politics. But he is already rich. And set to be much richer afterwards regardless of his performance. The pension/speaking fees /seats on Boards and the tangible gratitude of his EU pals will see him very nicely thro’. The “Heir to Blair” will prosper regardless of our fate. Also the twats sheer idleness and Nasty-but-Dim mentality appals. The cretin should have been all over postal vote fraud and the constituency boundaries from his first week in the job. But no–5 years down the bog and nothing achieved. And as for the devolution caper and a ZaNu / Scottish National Socialist party linkup. He should have made any devo-max bullshit conditional on neutralising Hibernian socialist evil. But no–this fucking overgrown schoolboy has done nothing. The whole 5 years he has done nothing good that is not marginal and a whole raft of antics that mark him as ZaNu Lite. Well no more votes for one pile of shite because they contain 1% less excrement than the other pile. I also commend UKIP as a the only worthwhile vote of good conscience. Ironman May 7, 2015 at 8:46 am Bloke in North Dorset I’m not going to argue otherwise. However, come Friday evening and beyond one of them will be Prime Minister. So get out your NBC suit. Ironman May 7, 2015 at 8:48 am And to be clear, the Ukip of Tim Worstall WAS very attractive. And there will be a referendum to fight on in two years. Unless we start focusing now we will lose that. GlenDorran May 7, 2015 at 9:11 am Sorry Tim, not UKIP in Scotland. For me, ensuring the SNP doesn’t win every seat is the priority. My constituency is almost certainly going to fall to the SNP, with a particularly nasty woman set to win. Worryingly, she isn’t the most stupid or evil of those likely to become an SNP MP. Labour are now reaping 30 years plus of campaigning for devolution and anti-Tory hysteria in Scotland. Frankly, I couldn’t care less if Jim Murphy or whoever got abused in the streets. Sow the seeds, reap the whirlwind. I’m voting Conservative. Much of that is driven by Ruth Davidson, who I hope is indicative of a return to sensible policies on their part. Mostly though it’s so when the next Nationalist loon screams something about “Tories out of Scotland” I’ll be able to reply: “As one of the 1 in 5 Scottish voters who voted Tory, will I be allowed to pack a bag before you throw me out or will you just burn my house down regardless?” The Stigler May 7, 2015 at 9:16 am Mr Ecks, Exactly. I got pretty close to not voting in this election. Normally I’d have voted UKIP, but they’re a joke now, a mess of conflicting ideologies aimed at maximising those on the fringes. Everything from protecting the hallowed greenbelt to higher rates of VAT and a turnover tax for large businesses. Yes, they want to leave the EU, but I’m not at all convinced that that doesn’t just mean assholes at Westminster. I want a hardcore, low-tax, low-spending party. A party that’s concerned with productive wealth and that will be brutal with the public sector and has fire in their bellies. And I know Cameron likes to talk about how it’s the lib dems stopping him doing this, but really, he’s always been a milquetoast one nation Tory. From getting elected as leader to the crash, he never once criticised Brown’s spending. But I’ll settle for even a bit of a classic liberal party. Mr Ecks May 7, 2015 at 9:17 am GlenDorran : I think you will find (to paraphrase self-defence expert Rory Miller) that “the Assertive will have trouble with the Assultive”. Bloke in Wales May 7, 2015 at 9:38 am Doesn’t matter how I vote here, the Labour twat will get elected. I still voted UKIP though. “Can’t blame me, I voted UKIP” should be a tshirt. Ironman May 7, 2015 at 9:56 am Bloke in Wales I lived in Bridgend for 6 years. Yep, you can vote for whoever you want, won’t make any difference. PF May 7, 2015 at 10:15 am Ian B – Damn, I didn’t think of that. Next time… Mr Ecks – Well said! Stig – Agreed. Whatever foibles UKIP have, they still fundamentally believe in invoking Article 50 (I wish they’d drop all this referendum nonsense). After that, we are on a different road. There may then be no need for them as a party, if the Conservatives rediscover their core values. Theophrastus May 7, 2015 at 10:23 am What Ironman says. Ian B May 7, 2015 at 10:23 am Stig- I want a hardcore, low-tax, low-spending party. You can’t get that at the moment. The issue is how to get there in the future. Mr Ecks May 7, 2015 at 10:36 am Theo, Theo, Theo–Election Day and that’s the best you can do? “What Ironman said” Where is the Agincourt Speech? Where the Gettysburg Address? “Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot, But he’ll remember, with advantages, What feats he did that day. Then shall our names, Familiar in his mouth as household words- BlueRinse the King, Hague and Fish-Faced Hag, Gove and Gideon, Donein-Smith and nasty Grailing- Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb’red. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remembered- Rob May 7, 2015 at 10:48 am “My cat is also voting UKIP, though for postal voting purposes she is currently known as Sadiq Muhammad.” Aren’t they haram? Oh wait, that’s dogs. I’m voting for the party which will kick Cameron in the balls. I’m not thinking any further than that. My red line was a year or so ago, when they announced that HMRC could plunder your bank account just because they believed you hadn’t paid enough tax, and it was up to you to prove them wrong and get your money back. That doesn’t even come close to passing the smell test for anyone who calls themselves a conservative, let alone a liberal. So under no circumstances am I going to vote for a party which thinks that is a good and sound idea. Tim Newman May 7, 2015 at 10:57 am I received an email a month or two back inviting me to take part in the General Election, despite having not lived in the UK for 12 years. They even asked me which constituency I wanted to vote in, purely by saying – without any proof – where I used to live before I emigrated. I thought about it, and then realised there was not a single party (I didn’t look at individual candidates) which came even close to representing my political beliefs: even if I was still living there, I’d not have voted. theProle May 7, 2015 at 11:14 am Tight Tory – Lab marginal here. Held my nose and voted Tory. Also bough council elections here – two member constituency, got a choice of 1 Tory, 2 Lab or an independent I’d never heard of – voted Tory/Independent on the basis that whoever the the independent was, Lab is probably worse. Ukip would have done better not to fight this seat at Westminster level (Ashcrofts polling shows them heavily squeezed here compared to their national polling), but fought the local elections – I’d have voted for them in the locals, and I’d imagine I’m by no means alone. Jackart May 7, 2015 at 11:40 am Tim, It really disappoints me that you cannot see what UKIP has become. It may once have been a libertarianish bunch, but then the BNP arrived. They are utterly, utterly ghastly. The Stigler May 7, 2015 at 11:48 am Ian B, “You can’t get that at the moment. The issue is how to get there in the future.” My hope is that there will be a backlash against Cameroonism after his defeat. “we tried being nice cuddly lefties and that didn’t work any better than being nasty”. I’ve said it before, but Michael Howard left a lot of constituencies for Cameron to push over, and was facing Blair and an economy that on the surface still looked fine. And in opposition, opposed spending and would have gained an edge that Cameron didn’t, because he and Osborne never opposed spending until the economy went down the tubes. A Conservative party that got taken over by Classic Liberals would also probably get rid of the UKIP problem. There would still be the Europe issue, but the UKIP problem isn’t just about Europe. If I had a choice, I’d put Sajiv Javid in as the next leader. Son of a bus driver made good. Bloke who never went to places like the Donmar Warehouse as a kid, but probably saw Star Wars and The Spy Who Loved Me. That’s what you need. I doubt he’d need to do a scrap of focus group work to formulate winning policies for the Conservatives, because he grew up around the lower middle classes, the people who are the potential Conservative voters. What in the name of all that is good is a Conservative leader doing writing pieces for the Guardian? That’s as much use as advertising bacon slicers in the Jewish Gazette. Mr Ecks May 7, 2015 at 11:53 am Jackelheart–If you seek the ghastly (as well as the false, treacherous and the deceitful) go no further than your nearest mirror. dearieme May 7, 2015 at 2:23 pm “I couldn’t care less if Jim Murphy or whoever got abused in the streets. Sow the seeds, reap the whirlwind.” The Labour whining about violence and coercion in Scotland just made me think “They can dish it out but they can’t take it”. At least we might have the destruction of the Scottish Labour Party to celebrate. Corvus Umbranox May 7, 2015 at 2:40 pm Jackart, Despite what you may read, us libertarians are still in the majority in UKIP. UKIP will go through a fairly brutal self-examination after this election. Hopefully the rump will re-assert itself and we’ll ditch the dog whistle and drop the wishy-washy we love the NHS crap. Carswell probably won’t want to lead it, but he’s got to be the brains. If O’Flynn’s faction gets in and we become the anti-immigration soft socialist party, I’ll be looking for the exit, along with everyone else who has been a member for more than 18 months. GlenDorran May 7, 2015 at 2:41 pm “At least we might have the destruction of the Scottish Labour Party to celebrate.” They’ve just moved over to the SNP. It’s a lot of the same familiar faces that are agitating at the grassroots. Interested May 7, 2015 at 4:08 pm @Jackart A friend of mine is one of UKIP’s candidates in Surrey. He couldn’t give a shit what colour you are, he just wants us out of Europe and back to small government (the BNP want to nationalise everything I think – Ironman is the only actual BNP voter I know of, so he would be best to ask). I won’t say which of them my chum is, but this list doesn’t seem likely to be crammed full of BNPers, thugs or racists, or the mad weirdos of media invention: – a chartered engineer and Fellow of the Institution of Chemical Engineers who now manages process engineers executing world scale oil and gas projects for engineering companies in the South East. – an IT professional specialising in banking technology with many years experience with major international firms in the City and Canary Wharf – a microbiologist and local businesswoman who combines raising a family with running a specialist microbiology business – a chartered and certified accountant who has worked in various companies as company secretary and chief accountant and now runs his own business lecturing clients including leading accounting firms, public companies and HM Revenue and Customs – a university chemistry lecturer and NHS locum pharmacist with a doctorate on antibiotics – the (28-year-old) director of a shipping company specialising in exporting goods to international consumers and businesses – a barrister – a partially-sighted (since birth) grandfather who ‘has worked locally in many industries, including plastics and magnetic recording tape’, and now works ‘in care for a well-known local charity.’ – an independent foreign exchange trader – a barrister who has worked in insurance in the City of London for over 20 years – a disabled guy who ran his own IT business and worked as an IT project manager at home and abroad, and part-time as a DJ, and is currently a General Manager in an NHS Mental Health hospital Jim May 7, 2015 at 5:47 pm With a heavy heart I voted Tory. In a Lab/Tory marginal, so a vote for UKIP would only let Labour in, and while the prospect of another 5 years of wet Conservativism (if its even that) is depressing, its heaven compared to what EM and his Scottish chums will do to the country over the next 5 years if they’re allowed in. I’m coming to the conclusion that the only way to defeat the Left is to keep them out of government, and let them fall into fighting among themselves. If Labour lose today the hard left will splinter off into the Greens, and the rump will have to compete with the Lib Dems for the soft left vote. They’ll be finished as a party of government. Its no good imagining that if EM etc al drive the country into the ground there will be an upwelling of support for libertarian policies. Its entirely possible in such circumstances even more State control will be demanded, because when things get really bad people want security and demand the State provide it. Better IMO to keep a slightly right-ish government that can inch the Overton window rightwards without scaring the horses, all the while attempting to keep the economy liberal enough to keep laying the golden eggs. The Left are good at rapid (and destructive) revolutions, the right can only achieve any progress by slow and steady changes. So Much for Subtlety May 7, 2015 at 6:11 pm Ironman – “And there will be a referendum to fight on in two years. Unless we start focusing now we will lose that.” No there won’t be. Cameron does not want an referendum. He will not allow a referendum. If he was serious, we would have had one already. He lied to fool the rubes. Which is why anyone but Cameron is worth voting for. Even the SNP. theProle May 7, 2015 at 6:30 pm >No there won’t be. Cameron does not want an referendum. He will not allow a referendum. If he was serious, we would have had one already. He lied to fool the rubes. He may not want a referendum (I’m sure he doesn’t!) but he may not have the choice: his MP’s will demand one regardless of his feelings. If, and it’s a big if, we end up with Dave plus a very small rump of lib-dems scraping together a majority (just), his back benchers will force his hand, knowing that if there is one thing he wants less than a referendum, it will be his government collapsing and him joining the dole queue as an abject failure… So Much for Subtlety May 7, 2015 at 6:43 pm theProle – “He may not want a referendum (I’m sure he doesn’t!) but he may not have the choice: his MP’s will demand one regardless of his feelings.” Dave has packed the Tories with Lib-Dems so they won’t. Even if they do, the Wet faction with Labour and Lib-Dem votes can make sure it won’t happen. We will not have a referendum under the Cameronites. Mr Ecks May 7, 2015 at 8:45 pm Jim: “I’m coming to the conclusion that the only way to defeat the Left is to keep them out of government, and let them fall into fighting among themselves. If Labour lose today the hard left will splinter off into the Greens, and the rump will have to compete with the Lib Dems for the soft left vote. They’ll be finished as a party of government.” That would only leave the soft totalitarian leftists known as BlueLabour , Jim. Do you have any thoughts about how they are to be rousted? Jim May 8, 2015 at 12:13 am “That would only leave the soft totalitarian leftists known as BlueLabour , Jim. Do you have any thoughts about how they are to be rousted?” I don’t I’ll admit. But I think that there is zero possibility of a ‘Let the Left have its head, crash and burn the country, and then truly rightist party will emerge, in Arthurian style to save the nation’ scenario. Firstly there is a lot of ruin in a nation, and it’ll take the Left a fair amount of time to completely f*ck things up. After all they’ve been at it for 70 years since 1945, and every time they f*ck it up, a rightist government steps in and sort of rights the ship a bit, or at least stops it listing even more, allowing the Left to promise the world to another swathe of idiots, and set us on another downward lurch. It could be many decades before we reach the buffers. Secondly there is no guarantee that in the event of us becoming some sort of Venezuela off the coast of Europe that the response of the electorate would be ‘You know what, we’d like small government, and classic liberalism now please’. Most likely it would be a demand for some sort of Judge Dredd style Big Brother State to give us the smack of firm government. Thirdly, when things are really really f*cked up its not going to be easy for a classic liberal/small government to actually improve things within the electoral time frame (assuming such a thing still exists). You might get a swing to libertarianism, which then fails to improve things enough because they were so bad to start with, thereby discrediting libertarianism, and ending in even more calls for State action to solve all the problems. Hence my idea that the only way is baby steps. Small incremental steps towards true liberalism, not big bold ones that might frighten the horses, and give them enough time to actually alter things on the ground. For example – the free schools concept could undermine the entire State education monolith, but only if its given time to grow and expand via personal choice of individual parents. The Universal Credit system could (eventually) morph into a sort of Citizens Income system, but again only if the changes are introduced ever so slowly and doesn’t result in people being thrown on the streets because they are so dependent on the State they cannot deal with a new system that forces them to stand on their own two feet. I repeat, the Left in government can do big revolution style policy changes, because they are invariably offering people free stuff, and that doesn’t immediately result in obvious human suffering. It does eventually, as we all know, but spread thinly across society. Everyone is poorer under socialism. But the Right cannot do the same sudden changes because it invariably creates losers – people who are dependent on State largesse and if it is removed suddenly cannot cope. Nothing makes the Right look worse than hard cases as a result of their policies. The only way forward is to cook the frog slowly, not to chuck it straight in the boiling pan. Just my two penn’orth anyway. seulmoi May 8, 2015 at 1:16 am Based on the exits and the results so far, I’m looking forward to waking tomorrow to see how Richie interprets this as a win for the left. Ian B May 8, 2015 at 1:55 am Jim- I agree that the phoenix from the ashes belief- which can be found in every marginal movement- is foolish. But the point, for me, of this is not to care much about Labour. Labour get in, you get a progressive government. Nothing unusual. Sure, some wallets get hurt (and some get filled) but the idea that Britain will collapse into the sea as a result is also absurd. I’ve said before, there have been people talking like Miliband and Sturgeon are Chairman Mao and Lenin, when they are both far to the “right” of many former Labour governments and less malignant than Blair. The problem isn’t Labour. It’s the Tory Party, who are progressives, same as Labour, with blue rosettes and who stand in the way of anyone who is either conservative or classical liberal having a main party to vote for. This coming Tory government will continue driving the country in the same general direction as Labour; even if it’s with slightly lower direct taxation and a bit of kicking benefits scroungers to please the Daily Mail. This seems to have been the SNP’s election. If the exit poll is right, it seems the only explanation for it was a last minute fear of Nicola. Disappointing. We ought to call it the FUD Election. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.