Outright lies told. Then those lies are repeated, again and again

That’s a pretty good description of the European Union, isn’t it?

And it comes from one who should know:

Martin Schulz, president of the European Parliament

Hmm:

Mr Schulz said Mr Cameron had “no chance” of exempting Britain from the EU principle of “ever closer union”

So ve haff no choice, eh? We vill be assimilated?

“The EU is and Britain are one thing. The UK belongs to the EU,”

A hint Herr Schulz. The British do not take kindly to being told “We own you”.

Britain accused of ‘hatred and lies’ by European Parliament president

The hatred part is true of course. We hate you. Specifically you, Schulzy.

Mr Schulz, a German socialist,

Oh yes, that’s right. We were asked some time ago, we British, whether we’d like to be ruled by a fat German socialist. We said, rather emphatically, that we didn’t. So please do fuck off, OK?

17 thoughts on “Outright lies told. Then those lies are repeated, again and again”

  1. In fairness, I guess that something might have been lost in translation and that he actually meant to say “belongs in the EU”.

    That said, I suspect that even if that’s what he meant to say, the “belongs to” is what he actually thinks.

  2. Would be interesting if he repeated the same comments in German. “gehört zu” or “gehört bei / in” leaves little or no room for doubt or nuance.

  3. Well, Goering was pretty fat. Artistic license from our host I guess. Then again Churchill wasn’t exactly thin. And John Bull is usually caricatured as being pretty tubby.

    I’d say on balance that Britain was considered (and definitely is) a fatter nation than Germany.

  4. I don’t think arguing nuances of prepositions in two languages is helpful when “belong to” has at least two distinct meanings.

  5. @abacab,

    “zugehören” is used all the time to indicate belonging (rather than possession in the legal sense) (e.g. “Liberalismus gehört zu meinen Ansichten”). Actually I’d leave the preposition out of indicating legal possession (“Das gehört mir!”), don’t know if everyone would.

  6. RustGirl: “So could we ask Farage.and the Ukippers to stay out of the debate?”

    Yeah–because SJW clowns like you are going to save the day.

    Biggie: Obviously he didn’t say what he did cos there aren’t any arrogant Germs who think they own other peoples countries. All got killed in the war didn’t they.

  7. @Ecks,

    The notion that Schulz might genuinely believe that the EU actually owns Britain is so ludicrously far-fetched we can consign it to the conspiracy theory lunatic fringe. Which is presumably why you are comfortable with the idea.

  8. Rustgirl: “That is precisely why I am asking, no begging you to stay away.”

    Because the country is now full of SJWs like you and only weak-kneed wankers who crawl and defer to the prejudices of the metrosexual elite have a chance of persuading them to support their country and the cause of personal freedom. And how awful to say nasty things about a professional political porker from a country who has twice tried to impose tyranny on all the nations around them and twice been defeated at an immense–and possibly ultimately fatal –cost to this country. Save your energy son –with the leftist crap your head is full of you are wasting your time.

    Biggie:
    ““zugehören” is used all the time to indicate belonging (rather than possession in the legal sense) (e.g. “Liberalismus gehört zu meinen Ansichten”). Actually I’d leave the preposition out of indicating legal possession (“Das gehört mir!”), don’t know if everyone would.”

    So 2 or 3 comments ago it was just a little language foul-up–but now you know what is in the blokes mind. How exactly? Because he must be reasonable fellow –as you think you are? He can’t possibly have said anything as arrogant as that can he? After all you’d have left the preposition indicating legal ownership out wouldn’t you.

  9. > The notion that Schulz might genuinely believe that the EU actually owns Britain is so ludicrously far-fetched we can consign it to the conspiracy theory lunatic fringe.

    Why? I hear mainstream politicians talk in terms of political institutions owning territories and territories owning other territories all the time. It seems everyone on the planet has an opinion about who does and who should “own” Northern Ireland — and somehow they never mention actual Northern Irish landowners. Are you saying that this extremely common and normal attitude has become so rare that suggesting it might exist is a sign of craziness? When did that happen?

  10. Well, Goering was pretty fat. Artistic license from our host I guess. Then again Churchill wasn’t exactly thin. And John Bull is usually caricatured as being pretty tubby.

    Perhaps Tim was referring to Otto von Bismarck who was pretty much your archetypal fat, German socialist.

  11. ““The EU is and Britain are one thing. The UK belongs to the EU,” A hint Herr Schulz. The British do not take kindly to being told “We own you”.”

    Oh, for deity’s sake, Tim. Groucho Marx:

    “I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member”.

    Was Groucho suggesting that he didn’t want to be owned, or that he didn’t want to be a member?

  12. So Much for Subtlety

    John Galt – “Perhaps Tim was referring to Otto von Bismarck who was pretty much your archetypal fat, German socialist.”

    That is not fair. Otto von Bismarck was the only man who can make German socialism look attractive. We would have been better off with Bismarck than what we eventually got – as he preserved some liberal features in the German welfare state, unlike the Marxists who took over Britain’s.

    And besides, anyone who could annoy the SWJ of his day so often and so well (Blood and Iron for instance) is a hero.

    Yet again, Flashman was on the wrong side.

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