Question

Brothers Akira and Rieko Ioane are among a clutch of rising stars of New Zealand rugby included in the Maori All Blacks squad for two games in July.

Is there a similarly race based “non-Maori All Blacks”, as well as the not racially based All Blacks. And if not, why not?

17 thoughts on “Question”

  1. Is there a white police officers association?

    Similar question, same answer, same reasons.

  2. Oh I just googled it. It isn’t, damn me and my long held non-ethnically aware thinking approach to rugby

  3. Nah, this is nothing like the white police officers’ association. The New Zealand Maori team goes back to the late 1800s, receiving official recognition in 1910. Whatever their reason for creating the team, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t to do with political correctness and the advancement of Maori causes in relation to equality. I suspect it’s more a question of channeling Maori pride/combativeness for those who could not get into the regular All Blacks.

    This from Wikipedia amused though:

    A representative team of the New Zealand Rugby Union, a prerequisite for playing in this team is that the player is to have Māori whakapapa or genealogy. In the past this rule was not strictly applied; non–Māori players who looked Māori were often selected in the team. These included a few Island players and a couple of African descent. Today all players have their ancestry verified before selection in the team.

  4. We lived in NZ when it was revealed that a Leading Maori Activist was in fact a lying Irishman. But then again, we lived in Oz when a Leading Aboriginal Activist was revealed to be part white, part negro, and 0% Abo.

  5. So, in 1888, a teamed named and formed on the basis of ethnicity was happy to field 5 non-qualifying players for its first match. Today, however, correct ethnicity is firmly policed.

    Progress eh?

  6. “I think it’s just the name for the A squad. Like Ireland wolfhounds or england Saxons”

    I always thought Samoa was their A squad.

    A Samoan player was once asked if they were the All Black B team. To which he replied: no, we’re the Samoa B team.

  7. “Is there a similarly race based “non-Maori All Blacks”, as well as the not racially based All Blacks. And if not, why not?”

    There’s nothing stopping anyone from creating a non-Maori All Blacks team (well, apart from trademarks – you could create “non-Maori New Zealand Rugby Team” or something). The reason nobody’s done it is that there’s no market for it. Supply and demand, Tim, supply and demand.

  8. I believe there used to be a Moriori XV but they were beaten by the Maoris.

    (And then eaten. Nothing like celebrating your ancestry of reasonably recent violent conquest and, er, cannibalism.)

  9. “The land-grabbing imperialists” isn’t a great name. Unfair, but there you go.

    BTW, I think it would be fun to have a French/Italian/Spanish/Romanian equivalent of the Lions. It could tour Argentina for a festival of hardcore scrummaging. What would it be called? The Romans? The Eagles?

  10. I think it’s perfectly reasonable, and just another example of the (excellent) Victorian obsession with thinking up new ways to create representative teams.

    A non-Maori NZ side would be far to broad. Maybe NZ Irish, or NZ British, or whatever, but that would be pretty difficult anyway. It would be no more relevant than the Europa League.

  11. In the case of the Ioane brothers their father is a former Samoan rugby international who played in Japan – hence their first names, like Kobe Bryant – and and their mother is Maori hence their eligibility for the Maori All Blacks. Ain’t globalisation grand. There are plenty of Maori All Blacks with blond hair and blue eyes, the qualification is Maori descent not a specific skin colour.

  12. So Much for Subtlety

    Peter MacFarlane – “Is there a white police officers association? Similar question, same answer, same reasons.”

    No there isn’t. Because White people are so specially and uniquely privileged, so special, so advanced, that non-Whites need to be encouraged to gang up against them and in the interests of fairness White people should do nothing to defend their own interests as a group.

    Tim Newman – “The New Zealand Maori team goes back to the late 1800s, receiving official recognition in 1910. Whatever their reason for creating the team, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t to do with political correctness and the advancement of Maori causes in relation to equality.”

    I think it was. For the day. The idea was to show the Civilising Mission, such as it was in the British Empire, at work. The Maori were taught sportsmanship, teamwork and fair play. Their progress was a sign of Progress and the Good Work the Empire and its missionaries did. The political correctness of the day.

    Odd trivia that might be true – I believe the first Australian cricket team to tour the UK was an all Aborigine team. For the same reasons.

  13. In South Africa right now there is a blatantly racist form of selection taking place in all team sports, which disadvantages palefaces and gives a massive advantage to the others. In fact, in cricket and rugby there is a special advantage for “black” players, as opposed to “coloured” ones. Verwoerd would have approved of the form of discrimination, if not the targets, but the irony escapes our rulers!

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