Bit rich isn’t it?

Greece’s referendum was not “legally correct”, the European Commission has declared.
Valdis Dombrovskis, the Latvian-born EU vice president responsible for the euro, said the vote had “complicated” the work of the creditors and had left the Greek government in a weaker, not stronger, negotiating position.

How many entirely legal referenda has the EU ignored because they got the wrong answer?

16 thoughts on “Bit rich isn’t it?”

  1. It certainly has complicated the work of the management of the EU, which is a cause for celebration as far as I am concerned.

    It was bound to fail sooner or later, sooner is better because it reduces the risk of war when it does.

    Just look at the heat and hatred this spat with Greece has caused. Imagine what it will be like when France and Germany fall out?

    I still think war is unimaginable – but not as much as it was four years ago.

  2. The arrogance of these EU-pricks is mind-boggling. You voted? No time for vote-again shenanigans so the vote just doesn’t count. Not even a best out of three.

    This Dumbrovskis is really trying to bring the roof down isn’t he ?

  3. So Much for Subtlety

    Bloke In Italy – “Just look at the heat and hatred this spat with Greece has caused. Imagine what it will be like when France and Germany fall out?”

    What heat and hatred? There must be a million Greeks in Germany by now. I wouldn’t be surprised if over the course of a year a million Germans go to Greece.

    If a single one of them has had the sh!t kicked out of him by a baying mob, I have yet to hear of it. No gangs of German skin heads are beating up every kebab shop owner they can find. No one is gang raping German Frauleins in Mykinos.

    All very civilised actually.

  4. so the vote just doesn’t count.

    I’m perfectly happy that the Greek referendum vote was legal and the fairly clear will of the Greek people or, at least, that proportion of the Greek electorate who could be bothered to vote (and if they couldn’t be bothered, that’s their problem.)

    However, as the people who are actually going to be paying for this are largely the non-Greek taxpayers* of the Eurozone, a vote that actually counted would need to be taken from them?

    * Assuming that there is actually such a thing as a “Greek taxpayer” at the moment.

  5. Rereun referendums? Denmark, France, Ireland and (I think) Holland, IIRC.

    if a dystopian novel included such a narrative it’d be laughed out of town for its implausibility.

  6. So Much for Subtlety

    Surreptitious Evil – “However, as the people who are actually going to be paying for this are largely the non-Greek taxpayers* of the Eurozone, a vote that actually counted would need to be taken from them?”

    The people who usually pay for Communist governments and their policies are their own populations. I don’t think this is going to be any different. Not in the sense that they will be executing every farmer who has three goats. But in the end economic reality is going to hit and it isn’t going to hit the tax payers of the Netherlands.

  7. It did occur to me that the usual outcome of a referendum that votes against the EU is that it gets re-run until they give the correct answer. So my prediction is this:

    The Greek govt basically capitulates and gives the Troika what it wants, and then asks the Greeks to vote again (on a deal that is no different to what they just voted No to) and this time threatens all manner of evils will be unleashed if they vote No again. The Greeks then vote Yes by a small margin, and the whole car crash rolls on, in search of a cliff to fall off.

  8. The referendum was symbolic. That’s why they voted “No.” Had they voted “Yes,” it would have made no difference on Earth.

  9. You know things are bad in the EU when the views of a Latvian lab assistant are deemed worthy of publication.

  10. Hmm. I know one Greek who is hopping mad that she couldn’t get back from here to the rural village polling station in time to vote. I guess there are rather a lot of people in that position, and that the diaspora, in fact anyone who has left their village, is more likely to be a Nai than an Oxi. I doubt the final result of this one would have been any different, but there is more than one way to rig a poll.

    I’m guessing this is the only time in history a country has voted in a referendum to commit economic suicide. Not that the slow strangulation on offer on the other side was so much better. Both sides need to wake up.

  11. BiG, Ayn Rand’s essay on England, the country that voted to commit suicide, is worth a look. You may scorn it, but I thought I’d mention it anyway.

  12. Bloke in Germany

    Why would I scorn Rand? Are you working on the widespread but false assumption that anyone even just slightly to the left of anarcho-libertardianism is a raving communist?

    You’d do better making common cause with the classical liberals rather than lashing out at them because they’re not quite of precisely the same view as you. I’d suggest you stake your pale to the right of the real leftists. To the right of me is the wrong place if you want any form of liberalism or libertarianism to survive this decade and perhaps prosper this century.

  13. Hang on a minute, these bail-outs have been going on for freakin’ years now.

    Time to remember that if something lasts for a very very long time, it might be a good idea.

    When choosing a new Pope, the Cardinals get locked in a room with not much, but other Cardinals. It’s to hurry the b-ggers up.

    If EU-Cor-Blimey-Crisis meetings were by conference call, rather than Paris, Rome, or some delicious part of the Med there may have been a solution by now.

  14. Lots of people scorn Rand, BiG, including some minarchists – sometimes for no other reason than her prose style. If you don’t, splendid. Hope you enjoy the essay.

  15. Bloke in North Dorset

    Just posted this elsewhere, thought I’d share it here…..

    Just seen a BBC news flash that the EZ is going to wait until Sunday.

    The epitaph on Greece’s Economy is going to read … “the negotiations were a success, unfortunately the patient died”.

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