Has feminism really come to this?

I seem to recall, in the dim and distant days of my youth, that the more conservative and patriarchal in the society said that women really weren’t the equal of men. Because, you know, periods ‘n’ stuff. You couldn’t rely upon women to be consistent right over the month, and they’d be taking days off in that regular 28 day cycle.

To this the response was, don’t be so damn conservative and patriarchal. Sure, women have periods and? We’re not Orthodox Jews who regard the symptoms of fertility as making someone impure. So shut the fuck up and get on with equality.

But that was, of course, in the dim and distant days of my youth. Periods were something that might affect the chances of a bit of bouncy bouncy but nothing else. And then we’ve today:

Periods are harming our career prospects. Something ain’t working
A new study has found that a significant number of working women are taking sick days because of PMS. Claire Cohen calls on employers to change a culture that means this truth is going unnoticed.

Seriously?

19 thoughts on “Has feminism really come to this?”

  1. So Much for Subtlety

    Feminism, as Rush Limbaugh once said, is just a vehicle for ugly women to access the mainstream. And have their purile complaints taken seriously.

    So of course if you give them what they want, they will demand something else. Usually something more extreme. But occasionally they will go in circles. Take periods seriously and they will accuse you of sexism. Pretend they don’t matter and they will accuse you of sexism. What you actually do or say or think is irrelevant. What matters is that they have an excuse to accuse you of sexism.

    So why take them seriously? Some Jewish Marxist lived a life of unbelievable luxury and affluence by historical and international standards? Which she, naturally, compared to Auschwitz? At what point did it occur to anyone that this is not an intellectually serious movement?

  2. This dovetails perfectly with the notion that women are paid less than men. Here we discover the entirely legitimate reason, they apparently work less than men.

    One complaint answers the other.

  3. it’s turning in circles like the gay marriage “debate” did – not 30 years ago, marriage was just a meaningless piece of paper representing a heteronormativeness that no self-respecting “queer” (as was the PC term then) would ever wish to subject themselves to, and it was offensive to even suggest that they would.

    Now, it’s a human right.

  4. I used to work in an office where the junior photocopier-operatress used to be off sick once a month. The more mature women in the office (especially the gobbiest one who was, naturally, a Grauniad reader) regularly complained that “you’d think that girl was the first woman ever to have periods”.

  5. We know that women are far more likely than men to work in the public sector. Periods must explain at least part of the higher sickness rates in that sector.

  6. So Much for Subtlety

    Vir Cantium – “(especially the gobbiest one who was, naturally, a Grauniad reader)”

    I hope you reminded her that we are celebrating the anniversary of the Guardian sending Dilpazier Aslam, a member of the Islamist group Hizb-ut-Tahrir, to cover the 7-7 bombings. Which he described as Muslims being “uppity”.

    Andrew M – “Periods must explain at least part of the higher sickness rates in that sector.”

    But, alas, those sickness rates are not high enough.

    As Britain slides down into Third World-dom (which will, no doubt please Ironman because people won’t laugh at the Mexicans for letting one of their most wanted tunnel his way out of prison), I notice that the Scottish police left two people in a crashed car for three days because they could not be bothered to send someone to have a look.

  7. Rob wins the internet.

    SMFS – I notice that the Scottish police left two people in a crashed car for three days because they could not be bothered to send someone to have a look.

    They were too busy doing important stuff, like threatening people on Twitter. And arresting football fans for being “offensive”.

    From the Torygraph:

    period pain is having a major impact on working women’s wellbeing

    Nonsense. I’ve seen the tampon adverts, and a woman’s special lady-time is all about skydiving, larking about on the beach with muscular hunks, and fronting generic pop groups to a stadium full of implausibly enthusiastic fans.

    That’s probably what these girls get up to on their “sick days”.

    tech entrepreneur Martha Lane Fox criticised the Apple Health Kit app for not originally tracking menstruation.

    “The Apple Health Kit has been touted as providing every test about your body that you could possibly want. Blood, sweat, tears. But not your period. Why? Because there was not one woman on the engineering team. Not one,”

    Martha obviously intended this as an indictment of Apple. But really, it’s an indictment of “women in tech”. If Apple – the most politically correct of all the major tech companies – is struggling to find competent female software engineers, what hope is there for “equality” in that field?

    And if tracking menstrual activity is so important, why didn’t female techies come up with their own woman-friendly health kit first? Why was it – yet again – left to men to do all the innovating, and women like Martha Lane-Fox doing all the complaining?

    Maybe she was too busy skydiving.

  8. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Provide information about your period? Martha, love, you wear it on your wrist, not your chuff. Now bugger off, you silly girl.

    SMFS says these complaints are puerile. More accurately, they’re puellile.

  9. So Much for Subtlety

    Steve – “They were too busy doing important stuff, like threatening people on Twitter. And arresting football fans for being “offensive”.”

    Yep. That is about the size of it. The man was killed quickly but the woman was described as injured. So she lived for a while. Perhaps she could have lived. This is the modern Courageous State – leaving a woman to die slowly and in pain because they could not be bothered to send someone out on a Sunday.

    “But really, it’s an indictment of “women in tech”. If Apple – the most politically correct of all the major tech companies – is struggling to find competent female software engineers, what hope is there for “equality” in that field?”

    Apple will just redesignate some of their male employees as female. Problem solved.

    “And if tracking menstrual activity is so important, why didn’t female techies come up with their own woman-friendly health kit first?”

    Don’t go there! If female techies started to come up with their own software it would probably monitor men and if they had an incorrect thought about a woman, give them an electronic shock to the genitals. This seems to be where we are headed. They can combine it with the new Affirmative Consent laws. So if you get wood, you get a shock, unless a designated female unlocks your device – for a strictly limited time.

  10. Would you like to fly in an aircraft with a premenstrual pilot? Or be operated on by a premenstrual brain surgeon?

  11. So Much for Subtlety

    Theophrastus – “Would you like to fly in an aircraft with a premenstrual pilot? Or be operated on by a premenstrual brain surgeon?”

    We probably do. Apart from the brain surgeon thing. You know, this may sound odd coming from me, but I think we can over-state the impact this has on women. Yes, I do know women who have such period pain that they are curled up in a ball for a day or two. But it obviously does not affect most women all that much.

    After all, most of us are willing to share a bedroom with someone who suffers from it. Even after sending her into the kitchen to play with lots of sharp knives. I don’t imagine it keeps many of us up at night, wondering….

  12. So Much for Subtlety

    On the other hand, the mess formerly known as Bruce Jenner has just caused a four car pile up that killed one Kim Howe.

    The police will not charge Jenner with a felony but with a misdemeanor. Perhaps they thought PMT was to blame?

  13. SMFS,

    > Some Jewish Marxist lived a life of unbelievable luxury and affluence by historical and international standards? Which she, naturally, compared to Auschwitz?

    Where the fuck did you get that from? Are you referring to Claire Cohen, the author of the piece Tim linked to? She certainly has a Jewish surname, and I’m very glad you drew our attention to that because it is no doubt the most important thing about her writing. But, if so, the rest of your claims appear to have come, as ever, from your fevered imagination.

    Anyway, I am wondering whether anyone here has actually read the piece.

    I have previously written that women don’t need menstrual leave. Last year, Harley Street professor of obstetrics and gynaecology, Gedis Grudzinskas, said that paid days-off during our periods would boost women’s motivation and productivity.

    “Some women feel really grotty when menstruating. Coming into work is a struggle and they feel lousy. When you feel like that, it’s harder to take pride in your work or perform as well. This is about employers being sensible and aware,” he said.

    He suggested that three days a month would cover it – in addition to an employee’s illness entitlement.

    Well, I stick by my argument – periods are not a sickness. They are a natural process. We can’t force half the population to hide away at home like hermits, quietly shedding their womb lining in confinement.

    Compulsory menstrual leave is not the answer.

    So we have a man who is saying “Poor women, they should get extra special sick leave for their weird lady problems” and a woman who is saying “Don’t be so fucking ridiculous.” And the response of everyone here is “Bloody women, asking for special treatment.” Jesus wept.

  14. So Much for Subtlety

    Squander Two – “Where the fuck did you get that from? Are you referring to Claire Cohen, the author of the piece Tim linked to? She certainly has a Jewish surname, and I’m very glad you drew our attention to that because it is no doubt the most important thing about her writing. But, if so, the rest of your claims appear to have come, as ever, from your fevered imagination.”

    It is a shame that you are so desperate to flame that you no longer allow logical thought to influence what you write. I did say “them”. As in feminists. So the sensible thing would have been to ask. But no, you try but you cannot avoid the desire to flame.

    The Jewish Marxist is, of course, Betty Friedan. Which I would have thought was immediately recognisable to every educated person in Britain. The Jewish part is relevant because when she deployed the Concentration Camp argument, she wasn’t an idiot like Ritchie. She knew what it meant. She did it anyway. Suburban housewives, in my experience, are not like inmates in Auschwitz.

    As I said, why does anyone take any of this seriously?

  15. > The Jewish Marxist is, of course, Betty Friedan. Which I would have thought was immediately recognisable to every educated person in Britain.

    Recognisable how? By her name, which you didn’t mention? Perhaps you forgot because you were too busy mentioning her race. What was every educated person in Britain supposed to think? “Oh, yeah, the Jew. Her. Of course.”

    > you cannot avoid the desire to flame.

    For someone who spends most of their time here insulting people, including having arguments with Ironman when he’s not even here over things you imagine he might say if he were, you do seem to be a terribly precious flower about this. And, frankly, you ain’t seen flaming. My attitude to you is just the effortless level of background contempt I have for all purveyors of hateful claptrap. Flaming? Jesus, who could be arsed?

  16. So Much for Subtlety

    Squander Two – “Recognisable how? By her name, which you didn’t mention? Perhaps you forgot because you were too busy mentioning her race. What was every educated person in Britain supposed to think? “Oh, yeah, the Jew. Her. Of course.””

    Recognisable by the fact that very few people would refer to suburban life was being like Auschwitz. It is a famous quote. I am not sure I mentioned her race. The fact that she was Jewish makes the comment all the more offensive.

    “For someone who spends most of their time here insulting people”

    I rarely insult people. It is not worth my time. For someone to annoy me that much, they have to have done something fairly serious to deserve it. Which Ironman certainly has.

    “including having arguments with Ironman when he’s not even here over things you imagine he might say if he were, you do seem to be a terribly precious flower about this.”

    Description is not complaint. Again you can’t do anything with a sensible comment except look for an excuse to attack me. Again. Personally. I am not the precious flower here. And Ironman is here.

    “And, frankly, you ain’t seen flaming. My attitude to you is just the effortless level of background contempt I have for all purveyors of hateful claptrap. Flaming? Jesus, who could be arsed?”

    And yet here you are. As you are in every thread I post. As if, oh I don’t know, you are following everything I write looking for an excuse to be an ar$e. Odd that isn’t it?

    Especially as you have no evidence of hate at all. It is simply what you want to believe to give yourself justification for what you do.

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