Professor Richard Murphy: the teacher

EU committee meeting with the Great Man. 1.10 in.

Someone else can listen to that: makes my teeth ache.

80 thoughts on “Professor Richard Murphy: the teacher”

  1. I’m watching it right now.

    EU Parliament, a bunch of Quakers or some leftie town hall, he still comes over as a cunt.

  2. What an unbelievable cunt. He’d lecture God.
    He’s a fucking provincial accountant who often seems not even to understand accountancy.
    Given that he’s made it to appear in front of this enormous bunch of arseholes, I have to take my hat off to him on that basis.
    But as Noel says, everywhere he goes he behaves like a condescending wanker so in that sense the more exposure he gets the better.

  3. 1.48.57

    Nice tits Richard, perhaps lay off the vino a bit.

    1.50.04

    “If the EU would like to develop a project, I will declare an interest, I’d like to do it”

    Gi’us a job!

    Sometime later, I’ve lost the will to live….

    “Countries must tell the EU how much tax they expect to get, and how much they get”

    Fuck off you commie bastard.

  4. Strange argument.

    Low tax rates in the EU are ok, but tax is rate * base and Ireland is bad as it has a low tax rate * no base as offshored.

    How is that a problem for any other country? If tax in Ireland is low rate * large base, other country will still get fuck all. If Ireland wants to host companies with no tax, that’s their problem.

  5. 2.02.47

    “I think public filing of company information in Angola is a good thing and might reduce other problems in that country as well”

    You fucking colonialist!

  6. Fucking hell, having to stop every few seconds now…

    Apparently limited liability is an abuse of human rights.

  7. In Hong Kong so scrolling the video time a bit iffy. Will find it again and quote exact words.

  8. Roughly, I can’t listen for the 15th time…

    The privilege of limited liability

    Cost on society

    Mainly small companies

    Why grant Limited Liability

    Corp tax is pigovain

    Imposed by grant of limited liability

    Cost on society

    Blah blah blah

  9. 2.06.28

    I’m sorry we have another meeting. (Shut the fuck up)

    Thankyou Professor. (I don’t really know who you were)

  10. The notion that corporation tax is a charge to repay society for its generosity in granting limited liability might have a whiff of plausibility to it.

    But it’s utter bollocks. Limited liability came first, to encourage people to part with their capital. Corporation tax came only later, when government needed more tax revenue to pay for wars.

  11. His milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
    And they’re like it’s better than yours
    Damn right it’s better than yours
    I can teach you but I’ll have to charge

    That aside, he get’s more attention than you Tim. So if he’s crap, then you’re shitter

  12. @Noel Scoper

    ““I think public filing of company information in Angola is a good thing and might reduce other problems in that country as well””

    I can see the Angolan authorities having an issue with this for two reasons – firstly, the terms of oil and gas taxation are negotiated individually for each production sharing contract and that data is legally confidential in order to stop major oil companies comparing notes and using the argument that “the field next door gets less tax so should I”. Secondly, the top tier of the government in what someone from a major oil company described to me as “a managed democracy” (i.e. a one party state) rely for all of their vast incomes on the oil sector and they absolutely do not want ANY transparency about how much they’re creaming off. For example, President Dos Santos’ daughter is now the richest woman in Africa.

    I’m sure the Angolan government would be more than keen to engage with the LHTD while he lectures them about the need to clean up their act but in a country awash with post civil war arms and munitions, he might find it a dangerous thing to do too vigorously

  13. Flatcap army

    Lest we forget the man is already persecuted before we wish him any ill – after all the ‘abuse’ he suffers from ‘trolls’ is ‘not far short’ of what happened to the cartoonists and journalists at Charlie Hebdo (in arguably his most offensive post yet against stiff competition)

    Ultracrepidarian

    Good use of Kelis but given Tim, like most sane people, thinks the majority of MEPS are power hungry socialist lunatics, the question is would he consider the lack of attention from such people more of a compliment than a bad thing?

  14. @Van_Patten – please don’t misunderstand me, I wish him no physical ill (nothing more than being pointed out and laughed at in public because of his ridiculous pomposity and his ill-founded self-belief).

    I merely wanted to point out that his almost complete lack of understanding of the issues about which he pronounces with such certainty may bring him into contact with people whose idea of vigorous debate is a bit more serious than poking fun at him on the internet

  15. Van_Patten

    I was only implying that Richard Murphy seems to get a lot of air time and speaking events. One may or may not like what the man says but it seems he puts some effort into it.

    Tim Worstall obviously doesn’t have a positive motive, something that pervades this blog. It’s a repository for macroaggressive offensive banter, with which there’s nothing wrong of course, but it’s very difficult for a casual and infrequent visitor to understand what point is trying to be made and for whom.

    I also find the fact that Tim Worstall lives in Portugal amusing.

  16. You do slightly miss the fact that this is purely a personal blog, not a professional outlet (as Murphy’s place is a professional outlet). My professional work is at the ASI, Forbes, Register, etc.

  17. @ Flatcap Army,

    You are absolutely spot-on about Angola. BP was specifically told by the Angolan government that the fiscal terms of the contract are confidential and that it would be a criminal offence to reveal the corresponding tax payments. This was pointed out to Ritchie years ago, but as usual he didn’t understand it.

    Now there is an argument that oil companies should be able to ignore the directives of host governments, run their operations as they see fit even if that involves committing crimes, but it’s one that has fallen out of fashion of late and it is surprising to hear Lefties advocating it.

  18. Sorry, I only lasted three minutes then I had to go and find some porn to restore my faith in humanity.

  19. European Parliament committees do not invite people to speak to them because they want to gather evidence with which to make a decision. They are looking for evidence to support the decisions that have already been made. So they invite people who might provide some useful sound-bites in favour of the EU’s next power-grab.

  20. @Ultracrepidarian

    It’s a private playground, but Tim lets in all sorts to play and doesn’t throw them out despite some dodgy behaviour.

    We generally do get along although lately there has been some disagreement over things racist/things not racist.

    Watch out, it is addictive. Sometimes you even learn things. At least I do, but maybe that says more about me than the blog and its other regulars!

  21. Ultracrepidarian

    Mr Worstall

    I do understand the point you have made. My humble opinion is that it is difficult to disconnect the personal and the professional within a text based medium. You are Tim Worstall regardless to where your words end up. If you put your name to banality, then all else is likely to be banal. Finding you on this blog first would not make me want to go to Forbes. And I dislike the ASI.

    So Richard Murphy’s blog is professional? That calmly explains his comment policy then. Not that I would comment because I can’t be bothered, and nor would I here except for the shocking level of discourse that undermines whatever reputation (other than with the few constant obviously unemployed, middle- to old-aged gentleman’s club attendees*) you are trying to construct.

    * Just these last couple of days alone has brought me to that conclusion.

    Hope that helps!

  22. Flatcap Army

    No criticism intended – I agree with you 100% and was just trying to lampoon his total lack of self-awareness and boundless ego. Indeed the idea of him trying to lecture the likes of ISIS on tax evasion and ‘the need to follow the spirit of the law’ conjures one of the more amusing mental images of him in a video with ‘Jihadi John’ going out via the Al Hayat center, or indeed alternatively I can see him visiting the most perfect exemplar of ‘Courageous State’ in the world currently on a Dennis Rodman style tour – which would also be entertaining.

    As you say, his insufferability and the wider organisation’s indirect funding of ISIS sympathisers (why did ‘Murphy for ISIS’ never gain currency I wonder?) seem to have cost him his JR Foundation grant – hence the tawdry spectacle, rightly mocked by Tim, of him prostituting himself to whomever in ‘Civil Society’ might provide him gainful employment at the taxpayers’ expense.

  23. Ultracrepidarian

    I don’t think Murphy’s blog provides a professional outlook – strictly amateur hour! Although his sensitivity to criticism is such he has to publish there as his last foray outside saw him reduced to a state of intellectual ruination, utterly unable to defend his viewpoints against even the mildest criticism, and resorting even more swiftly to the use of the term ‘troll’ ‘neoliberal’, ‘offensive’, ‘abuse’ – all of which in his variation of Ingsoc Newspeak are synonyms for ‘people who disagree with me and can prove my theories are wrong’

    The comments here are not for the faint-hearted certainly, but are arguably more helpful and enlightening than the echo chamber one sees on TRUK – based on your comments here it seems likely that you might prefer ‘The New Statesman’, Huffington Post or Comment is Free where the intellectual climate is a little more ‘like-minded’….

  24. Ultracrepidarian

    Van_Patten

    Hmm, Comment is Free is the Guardian one, isn’t it? All of the mainstream media comments-boards are insufferable, even if the articles are interesting.

    I think I was looking for something ‘enlightening’ rather than helpful, I’m passed the technical phase of academia. Perhaps some sort of refreshing viewpoint or a discernible narrative thread.

    But as you have proved, and only the mildest of surfing this blog confirms, a singular hatred for one, seemingly, lone voice in the web-wilderness seems a bit pathetic.

    I suppose that’s why I’m an infrequent and impatient visitor!

    Anonymous offence not intended!

  25. “But as you have proved, and only the mildest of surfing this blog confirms, a singular hatred for one, seemingly, lone voice in the web-wilderness seems a bit pathetic.”

    If only the LHTD were a “lone voice in the web-wilderness”…..

    Either you’re trolling or you have no idea who he is.

    How many lone voices get to address EU committees? How many have an ear in the Shadow Cabinet? Had the election gone the other way, he’d have had an ear in Government. How many lone voices are on the BBC’s speed-dial list for comment on taxation pieces?

  26. @abacab – you don’t understand; just like Carmen Batmangelidh, he is appearing on national TV and in national newspapers to an audience of millions because it’s the Establishment’s wicked, neo-liberal way of silencing him. Or something. In some way, we are at war with Richard Murphy. We have all always been at war with Richard Murphy. Doubleplus ungood.

  27. Obviously unemployed

    I would guess, from reading the comments, that most of the regulars here are employed in the serious ends of the financial, engineering and legal sectors.

    You know, jobs that require continual study (to keep up with the changing world) and a high capacity for rational and logical thought.

  28. You know, jobs that require continual study (to keep up with the changing world) and a high capacity for rational and logical thought.

    And then there’s me who works for a large oil company and hence has no requirement for the above whatsoever.

  29. Ultracrepidarian

    abacab (is that a Genesis reference? surely)

    This is where I’m slightly perplexed. I watch and listen to a fair amount on the BBC. Usually later in the evening, but in those times I’m on leave or Sabbatical, I hear a great deal of news and analysis. I can honestly say that I’ve never heard of Richard Murphy before I chanced here (on someone’s recommendation I may add). Obviously the top story on this blog is about an EU sub-committee meeting or somewhat, I haven’t listened yet, probably won’t after the comments here, but I’m sensing, as an educated guess, that he’s obviously someone of great importance to the functioning of this blog.

    As I say, surely I would have noticed if he was quite that well imbedded in the mainstream media. Certainly not the Telegraph or the FT. Maybe I’ve overlooked him unconsciously with the same disdain that you deconstruct his output?

    Please accept my apologies if you are not well-to-do retirees, I was presuming that, as I have some spare time in the sunshine, that you must do too, and you sound at least as old as I am!

    As my son said “I was an engineer once, now I’m an engine-there!”

  30. @Ultracrepidarian

    Try googling “richard murphy tax bbc”. The Grauniad and HuffPo rather like him too. Global tax expert, apparently…

    (and of course it’s a genesis reference).

  31. Murphy has decided to started blocking my posts – I guess for exposing his utter lack of knowledge on CBCR and accounting. Something he claims to be an expert in and the inventor thereof. Follow the thread here:

    http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/07/03/yesterday-at-the-eu/

    He might not post my last response but for the record here it is:

    You mean this OECD template?

    http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/taxation/guidance-on-transfer-pricing-documentation-and-country-by-country-reporting_9789264219236-en#page44

    “You are, as ever, talking ill informed nonsense – – for example on tax provisions”

    Let me quote the OECD (p42):

    “The current tax expense should reflect only the operations in the current year and should not include deferred taxes or provisions foor uncertain tax liabilities”

    Pretty clear what they say – and this is not compliant with GAAP or IFRS. So this CBC will not match up to the financial statements.

    “And the OECD report HAS to reconcile with the accounts”

    Again, I quote from the template (p40):

    “It is not necessary to reconcile the revenue, profit and tax reporting in the template to the cosolidated financial statements…….Adjustments need not be made, however, for differences in accounting principles applied from tax jurisidiction to tax jurisdiction.”

    Again, pretty clear. CBC report does NOT need to reconcile with accounts.

    Making you wrong in both cases, according to the OECD.

    I assume you will simply delete my comment as you seem to have a serious aversion to anyone who might know more about something than you do, and more of an aversion still to them proving it – and proviing you wrong.

  32. The Meissen Bison

    Ultracrepidarian: I’m passed the technical phase of academia

    But perhaps you skipped some of the useful primary school stuff which helps with writing grammatically?

    Incidentally, t’s amusing that your moniker so perfectly describes Murphy.

  33. Love Ultra’s affectation, but the sad fact is that anyone who uses the term “macroaggressive offensive banter” in seriousness has to be a pot walloping moron.

    Let me guess, Ultra: You’re an adjunct instructor of something akin to gender studies at the equivalent of a U.S. 2 year community college. Right?

  34. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Yes, Meissen Bison, I was about to make the comment that the tag of ultracrepidarian applies to Murphy more aptly than to any other person I can think of in public life today, with the possible exception of Polly Toynbee.

  35. The Meissen Bison

    BiCR, the reason I think that Murphy just beats Toynbee to the post by half a head is that he at least appears to have qualified at something long ago – even if he seems to have forgotten a lot of it and invented much to fill the gaps.

    Polly’s only qualification, on the other hand, is the name ‘Toynbee’ which is pretty thin gruel.

  36. Ultracrap:

    If you don’t like it here fuck off.

    You write like a fairy. Not a gayboy but an actual “real” goddamn fairy from mushroom-ringed Fairyland. That you have no apparent connection with logic or anything resembling reality is therefore explained.

    My best to Tinkerbell.

  37. I come here for the comments, and for Tim’s good sense in allowing them to run riot. There’s certainly a male-changing room quality to the place, and I’m glad JuliaM sticks around to offset it. And personally I find some of the name-calling occasionally tedious. But then sometimes it’s very funny.

    But what’s remarkable about this blog is that it’s not (with occasional exceptions) frequented by window-lickers and, when I can be bothered and have the time, I almost always end up learning something worth knowing.

    In 15 years of online argumentation, this site has held my attention longer than any other.

    Now, if you’ll all excuse me, I have virgins waiting to pleasure me, a freshly-unwrapped Hoyos de Monterrey to smoke and a 150 year-old armagnac to sample while sitting in my club’s bay window toffishly scorning the passing citizenry.

  38. I only (silently) float around here for the Murphy bashing, personally. Before I ever found this place I was ‘banned’ from Richie’s blog for being a troll and a neo-liberal (I think I was trying to argue that markets do actually respond to what people want – as a counterpoint to Murphy stating that only Governments can know what people really want) If I had any sense, of course, I’d just stay completely away from Richie – but I think I am a masochist.

    Anyway, don’t ever change.

  39. “I almost always end up learning something worth knowing.
    In 15 years of online argumentation, this site has held my attention longer than any other.”

    and similar sentiments from higher up the thread, VP, bilbaoboy, etc

  40. “but the sad fact is that anyone who uses the term “macroaggressive offensive banter” in seriousness has to be a pot walloping moron.”

    See? I just learned something new; I had never heard the term “pot walloping moron” before…

  41. Ultracrepidarian

    Dennis the Peasant

    I was merely channeling a poster called Bloke in Costa Rica who made the joke in a thread about the ghastly microagession at U of Ca.

    “I’ve said it before but a lot of these people would profit mightily from a good old-fashioned macroaggression.”

    Sorry for my contrivance.

    To Mr Ecks

    Ha ha, an excellent example of macroaggressive banter, and I sense you are probably stuck in the closet, with your need to define which ‘fairy’ I was to be alluded to!

    To The Meissen Bison

    I’m not sure the quote you picked was grammatically incorrect. A bit fairy-ish, I’ll accept.

    Commentators here are correct, it is addictive to be surrounded by such wit!

  42. Ultracrep

    “I’m passed the technical phase of academia. Perhaps some sort of refreshing viewpoint or a discernible narrative thread.”

    “To The Meissen Bison

    I’m not sure the quote you picked was grammatically incorrect. A bit fairy-ish, I’ll accept.”

    The use of the word “passed”, is clearly meant to be PAST. Your next sentence is grammatically incorrect as well. Your reasoning is similarly poor and your comments indicate a low level of intelligence and reasoning.

    Thanks for coming, but you are not up to the usual level of trolling here. I suggest you go back to the Grauniad or the FT.

  43. “Ha ha, an excellent example of macroaggressive banter, and I sense you are probably stuck in the closet, with your need to define which ‘fairy’ I was to be alluded to!”

    Didn’t want you to think I was accusing you of mere sodomy when you are a bizarre freak with mental processes that resemble the lobotomised Hal 9000 after 10 gallons of piss from the extreme schizophrenic ward have been poured into his already damaged circuits.

    Still, after all the leftist dumbells and psychopaths trolling on the blog it is at least a change to hear from leftist hebephrenia.

  44. Tim’s site is a gold mine. I have five regular sites I look at during my lunch break, Tim’s, Guido’s, El Reg’s, Bishop Hill’s, and Anthony Watt’s – in pretty much that order.

  45. Bloke In Lower Hutt

    I feel I must warn Ultracrepidarian not to visit the Devils Kitchen archives if he finds this place offensive! Those were truly halcyon days for the discerning cigar smoking, brandy supping macro aggressive professional.

  46. SBML

    There’s a thread there somewhere, only in that I suspect whatever the infinite multiple of variations that might comprise, that’s not particularly unique…

  47. Indeed. Mere pendantry, ken. Spelling and homophone errors abound online. I should have parsed my post before submitting. Too late after then. I didn’t think you were quite so particular here. Eats, shoots, and leaves?

    After all, Ironman and Mr Ecks are obviously the light which attract the fatally dumb grammar police moths, as it were. That analogy was quite forced, wasn’t it? And not as eloquent as Mr Eck’s superior contender for the Worst Analogy in Christendom award:

    “Didn’t want you to think I was accusing you of mere sodomy when you are a bizarre freak with mental processes that resemble the lobotomised Hal 9000 after 10 gallons of piss from the extreme schizophrenic ward have been poured into his already damaged circuits”

    And a ‘leftist hebephrenic’ to boot! It’s true, you do learn something reading here.

    – Open the pod bay doors, Mr Ecks.- I’m afraid I can’t do that, Ultracrepidarian.- Oh go on, you know you love it.

    “It’s a private playground, but Tim lets in all sorts to play and doesn’t throw them out despite some dodgy behaviour.”

    I’m sure Mr Worstall doesn’t care, and I fully agree that it’s a playground.

  48. Oh and I looked in on Richard Murphy’s professional blog.

    He’s not a professor, is he?

  49. Hang on a minute, you’re not Murphy are you?

    Since the Great Leader has been alerted to the fact that his most sycophantic posters are in fact spoofs, and obvious ones at that, I’ve been half expecting Him here.

    You’re humourless enough Ultra, but you haven’t used the word “abzzzzurd” enough.

  50. “professor”

    No, he’s not, I’m guessing it simply got lost in translation by the EU Chair chappie (when he presented him as such).

    It;s possible Richard may have been flattered by it…

    “and I fully agree that it’s a playground”

    yawn… you really don’t get out much do you!

  51. The Meissen Bison

    Ultracrepidarian: Eats, shoots, and leaves?

    You may have missed the point Lynne Truss was trying (but in your case apparently failed) to make.

  52. I see that Jang Sang-taek (the late uncle of the Korean dictator) has congratulated Ritchie on his appearance. It is nice to see the Courageous State still has supporters.

  53. Ultracrepidarian

    Jack C

    My humour is obviously far too subtly crafted for you to appreciate, and seemingly most others. That, I’m afraid, is your loss.

    And no, I’m not Richard Murphy. I don’t recognise the source of the accusation.

    I spent quite a while yesterday scanning this blog to get a feel of the place, so I’m guessing you’re referring to something I haven’t read. And for PF, the use of ‘pendantry’ is prevalent enough so I tried to ingratiate myself to your gang.

    The only reason I chose this thread to comment on was a reaction to Noel Scoper’s scathing blow-by-blow account of some sort of EU meeting, and Interested’s precis:

    “What an unbelievable cunt. He’d lecture God.
    He’s a fucking provincial accountant who often seems not even to understand accountancy.
    Given that he’s made it to appear in front of this enormous bunch of arseholes, I have to take my hat off to him on that basis.
    But as Noel says, everywhere he goes he behaves like a condescending wanker so in that sense the more exposure he gets the better.”

    I thought I’d chip in.

    To the Meisson Bison

    I’m fully aware of Lynne Truss. I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve in accusing me otherwise? That you are somehow superior?

    Maybe you are, but you don’t know so why mention it?

    Does your milkshake bring all the boys to the yard? Or is Mr Ecks’?

    I’ve gone full circle on this thread, which is nice, so I’ll engage with your keen intellects anon, and maybe offer something on-topic. It was lovely getting to know you.

  54. Just throwing this in for consideration, is Ultracrep the commenter formerly known as Minnow ? He manifested himself here and at David Thompson’s blog some while back until Mr. T, who is normally very tolerant, got fed up and banned him. He certainly has a similar style, if he is, my advice is don’t engage, I made that mistake and it’s like wrestling with a Hagfish.

  55. The Meissen Bison

    Ultracrepidarian: I’m fully aware of Lynne Truss. I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve in accusing me otherwise?

    Not an accusation at all: simply an observation that you had wrongly punctuated something conceived to illustrate the importance of correct punctuation.

    That you are somehow superior?
    I shouldn’t take the trouble.

  56. Ultracrepidarian

    The Meisson Bison

    I’m a fan of the Oxford comma, and you’re tiresomely pendantic. Hence the question mark originally.

    “I shouldn’t take the trouble.” Ambiguous. Are you not taking the trouble (because clearly you are), Or are you suggesting I shouldn’t take the trouble (I’m not the one arguing)?

    To Thornavis

    Unfortunately not. As you may have noticed I may have to be more blunt if I want to communicate effectively on this blog. I’m certainly not a seasoned veteran.

    I’ll learn from the experts.

  57. Unfortunately not. As you may have noticed I may have to be more blunt if I want to communicate effectively on this blog

    Maybe you’re Arnald then.

    There’s a school of thought ( if one person can be a school ) which holds that practically every commenter here is actually SMFS in a fright mask.

  58. I think Murphy did well – too much “frankly”, and “let’s be clear”, but otherwise well presented, and he came over as much more human than he does on his blog.

    But the “professor” thing bothers me – the first time he uses it (“Professeur Richard Murphy”), the chairman is reading off something the secretary has passed him, so it’s not just an accident. Murphy ought to have disclaimed it.

  59. @Thornavis

    No, Arnald is far more intelligent than this. He makes substantive points, whereas UC is a mere troll.

  60. Thornavis, as it happens, I am the real SMFS.

    Now let’s see how high we can get the comment numbers on this thread.

  61. Edward Lud

    “As it happens, I am the real SMFS.”

    A comment only 2 1/2 lines long, submitted before midnight and not including a history lesson/eugenics dissertation. I bet you’re not even white are you.

  62. Who is the man in the iron mask ? Is it the true SMFS cruelly denied his birthright and imprisoned in the Chateau CiF ? I think we should be told.

  63. SJW

    But the “professor” thing bothers me – the first time he uses it (“Professeur Richard Murphy”), the chairman is reading off something the secretary has passed him, so it’s not just an accident. Murphy ought to have disclaimed it.

    I noticed this over at TRUK (on the Machiavelli thread):

    Justin says:

    Maybe that is why he [the Comittee Chairman] bestowed upon you the title of professor – which seemingly you were delighted to accept.

    Richard Murphy replies:

    Maybe he knows something you don’t

    Does anybody know what it is that we don’t know!?

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