Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Bernie did do it?

Nearly 10,000 supporters delivered a jolt of momentum to Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign Wednesday night at a supersize rally where the senator from Vermont asked his backers to help him create a political revolution.

Mr. Sanders, the upstart Democratic presidential candidate who has steadily been gaining ground in the polls but remains a distinct underdog, outlined an unabashedly liberal agenda for the raucous Wisconsin crowd, advocating a $15-an-hour minimum wage, a single-payer health-care system and free tuition at public universities.

In Madison, Mr. Sanders was greeted by a roaring crowd that filled a 10,000 seat arena to the rafters. He told supporters that this was the largest rally yet for any candidate in the 2016 presidential campaign.

“Tonight, we have made a little bit of history,” Mr. Sanders said.

Hillary Clinton, the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, drew about 5,500 supporters to New York’s Roosevelt Island when she kicked off her campaign last month.

I’d even put up with his policy ideas….after all, I don’t have to live with them or pay for them….if he were to beat the Wicked Witch.

31 thoughts on “Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Bernie did do it?”

  1. I’d even put up with his policy ideas….after all, I don’t have to live with them or pay for them….if he were to beat the Wicked Witch.

    Gee, thanks.

    Personally, I hope they both choke but if I had to take one over the other – the status quo (Hillary’s mendaciousness is nothing unique in politics) over Sanders attempting a rapid destruction of my nation.

    The worst that Hillary could do is continue the legacies of Bush/Obama – and its bad enough that we have a world-wide war going on alongside a huge expansion in public ‘benefits’. We certainly don’t need someone adding a $15 federal minimum wage and single-payer health care.

    Sanders is refreshing only in so much that he’s an *open* socialist and his only redeeming quality is that he’s likely to not ever make a real mark on the country.

  2. This should come as a surprise to no one.

    If Hillary Clinton had the chops to get elected president, she’d be putting the finishing touches on her 2nd term, rather than trying to explain why she can’t figure out how to use a fax machine. Remember, Obama was an obscure 1st term Senator the last time Hillary run for president. Sanders may not be 1st term, but he’s just as obscure as Obama was.

    Just because the DNC and the chattering classes want her as president doesn’t mean anyone else does. Bernie Sanders is exposing that fact, just as Barack Obama did about 8 years ago…

  3. Funnily enough, was just listening to Gabe and the chaps on the last Ace of Spades podcast floating exactly this.

  4. Also, and I know I’m preaching to the converted, but:

    ‘Mr. Sanders… outlined an unabashedly liberal agenda for the raucous Wisconsin crowd, advocating a $15-an-hour minimum wage, a single-payer health-care system and free tuition at public universities.’

    What the fuck is ‘liberal’ about forcing other people to pay for stuff you want?

  5. Yes, agreed – anyone, anyone at all, except Billary.

    As for $15/hour minimum wage, that’s a bit stingy isn’t it? Why doesn’t he make it $50, then everyone will be rich? What could possibly go wrong?

  6. Best case scenario, Sanders as president, Republican House majority and the Senate split 50/50.

  7. What the fuck is ‘liberal’ about forcing other people to pay for stuff you want?

    Its ‘American liberal’.

    Over here, classical liberalism is called ‘libertarianism’.

  8. Over here, classical liberalism is called ‘libertarianism’.

    There is very little classically liberal about the majority of US libertarians. Just as there is very little classically liberal about most UK Liberals or US liberals.

  9. For the Dems to run an open Socialist who praised all manner of sh1tty regimes and took his honeymoon in the USSR…..

    If it happens, it’s an opportunity only the GOP could miss…

  10. @Agammon

    ‘Its ‘American liberal’.’

    Yep, I’m aware of the distinction – I was marveling at the chutzpah!

  11. There is very little classically liberal about the majority of US libertarians.

    Classical liberalism is a political ideology, a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedom.

    Libertarianism is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgement.

    There’s a lot of classic liberalism in libertarianism.

  12. Agammamon, apologies.

    By the way, are you the Agammamon of Popehat Judge shooting fame? In which case, ha ha ha very good work!

  13. Yep, I’m aware of the distinction – I was marveling at the chutzpah!

    Over here, they changed the meaning – to the point that American liberals are effectively fascists.

    Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato

  14. Which ‘ha ha ha’, by the way, is predicated on it going nowhere and being a pile of balls, obviously.

  15. By the way, are you the Agammamon of Popehat Judge shooting fame? In which case, ha ha ha very good work!

    Yep, that’s me. One of the infamous ‘Woodchipper Six’.

  16. So Much for Subtlety

    Dennis The Peasant – “Just because the DNC and the chattering classes want her as president doesn’t mean anyone else does. Bernie Sanders is exposing that fact, just as Barack Obama did about 8 years ago…”

    Just remember no one in their right mind would have voted for Obama either. Except the electorate is not the same electorate it was in 1975. They did dissolve the People and elect another.

    An American blog, Ace of Spades I think, pointed out what a lack of talent the Democrats have. It is Hillary and who? Bernie I guess. Partly that might be because Hillary is so inevitable no one else is wasting their time. But they pointed out that Obamacare has gutted the Democrats’ front bench. They are really short of talented people because the Dems have been losing and losing and losing since they voted for that piece of crap.

    Of course, given media hatred and the changing voter base, Bernie might get elected. You bring in Peronists and you are going to get Peron.

  17. just as it was not unreasonable to gamble on Obama when the alternative was McCain, maybe it’s not unreasonable to gamble on Sanders when the alternative is Hellary. Maybe.

  18. So Much for Subtlety

    dearieme – “just as it was not unreasonable to gamble on Obama when the alternative was McCain, maybe it’s not unreasonable to gamble on Sanders when the alternative is Hellary. Maybe.”

    I am second to no one in my contempt for Fake Republicans. I think McCain reminds me of something I might step in in the street. But he was a war hero. He served. Whereas Obama was and is friends of people who hate America.

    There was no way that Obama was ever a sensible choice.

    Although it is Romney’s loss that is the biggest problem. A successful, competent, socially liberal (alas), decent man who would have made an excellent President.

    Anyway, I am hoping for a Sanders’ victory. At this point, the worse it is, the better.

  19. “Although it is Romney’s loss that is the biggest problem. A successful, competent, socially liberal (alas), decent man who would have made an excellent President.”

    Bah, humbug! Romney was the biggest fake Republican of them all, McCain included.

    There is only one way to be a successful Republican politician in Massachusetts… and that’s by being a Democrat.
    Romney didn’t lose because he couldn’t attract moderates, he lost because the conservative base stayed home.

  20. So Much for Subtlety

    Dennis The Peasant – “Bah, humbug! Romney was the biggest fake Republican of them all, McCain included.”

    I don’t disagree with a word you say, but better a fake Republican than a fake Democrat and a fake American.

    “Romney didn’t lose because he couldn’t attract moderates, he lost because the conservative base stayed home.”

    Sure. And tragic it was. No country can be taken seriously if they reject Romney in favour of a friend of Bill Ayers. Romney was the exact opposite of Galba of our time. Right down to the homosexuality come to think of it. It marks the end of America as a serious country.

  21. Just remember no one in their right mind would have voted for Obama either. Except the electorate is not the same electorate it was in 1975. They did dissolve the People and elect another.
    Indeed: Romney won the majority of the white vote in every age category for both men and women.

  22. I’ve no strong objection to them personally, but I loathe the idea of Clinton v Bush 24 years on. In a proper democracy there are qualities more important than name recognition and inherited political connexions. I wonder whether there’s a size of country, smaller than the USA or India, beyond which democracy can’t really work.

  23. So Much for Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “In a proper democracy there are qualities more important than name recognition and inherited political connexions.”

    Sure. Speaking articulately. Not having a Negro dialect. Being clean. Having a light coloured skin.

    All perfectly acceptable comments to your fellow Leftists when other Leftists say them. The problem with democracy is probably not size.

  24. “But he was a war hero.” Bollocks: getting yourself shot down does not constitute heroism.

  25. So Much for Subtlety

    dearieme – “Bollocks: getting yourself shot down does not constitute heroism.”

    In these debased times, not crying on the TV is more than enough to count. But you miss the point about being shot down. It means that he put himself somewhere where he could get shot down. He did not, like a recent female pilot in Afghanistan, decline to try because he might get shot at. He went into danger and paid a terrible price.

    That is more heroic than the bravest thing Obama has ever done. Marrying Michelle I guess. Close, but no cigar.

  26. > I loathe the idea of Clinton v Bush 24 years on. In a proper democracy there are qualities more important than name recognition and inherited political connexions.

    Absolutely. Whatever your views on monarchy, the Americans supposedly fought a war to be rid of it.

    See also the Kennedys.

  27. @ Social Justice Warrior
    Pakistan is smaller than the USA, but it has the tribalism that you denounce in the Bush v Clinton scenario, Kenya is smaller than Pakistan.
    BUT democracy is not disproved by the persistence of one family accepting the slings and fortunes of political debate and occasionally office. The Cecils have been very frequent (not quite, but nearly, continuous) active participants in UK politics for more than 400 years but Harold MacMillan could and did dump “Bobbety” Salisbury without a tremor because the voters supported MacMillan.
    FYI “SuperMac” was an invention of an anti-Conservative cartoonist which stuck to his (the cartoonist’s) chagrin.

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