Surrender is an interesting euphemism for negotiations, isn’t it?

Mr Corbyn said in an interview with the BBC in 2013 that a “degree of joint administration” might resolve the conflict over the Falkland Islands. He has not stepped back from the suggestion since making it.
He said: “Other situations like this, for example the dispute between Finland and Sweden over the Aman Islands, was sorted out by some degree of joint administration while maintaining nationality.
“It was done with Hong Kong, it has been done to some extent with Gibraltar. There is a way forward.
“It was in Margaret Thatcher’s interests in 82 to divert attention form her catastrophic economic issues.
“There is a letter been produced by five nobel peace prize winners all of whom suggest without changing the question of nationality there is room for some kind of discussion and debate.
“Why can’t we respond to that letter and work on that basis rather than upping the ante and spending more and more money on arms.”

Someone really needs to point out the UN’s insistence on the right to self-determination….

31 thoughts on “Surrender is an interesting euphemism for negotiations, isn’t it?”

  1. Who’s going to be the first to ask his opinion on Ulster, and can we guess the answer?

    I imagine he considers self determination to be very important for, say, the Basques or the Irish, but not so much for the British.

  2. In 1982, Baroness Thatcher’s, “catastrophic economic issues”. were dealing with the extra-democratic insurgency of the Unoins and recovering the Nation from the economic wasteland left by the Wilson/Callaghan government. The irreparable economic damage done 1974-79 is something the Left will continue to be in denial over.

  3. You’re a bit harsh, K R Lohse, they meant well.

    Flippancy aside, I do think the likes of Wilson and Callaghan did largely mean well even if they were misguided / incompetent. I’m not sure the same is true of modern day, mendacious, unprincipled politicians of all hues for whom power is an end in itself and their personal legacy their only concern.

  4. It’s interesting that Corbyn and Obama, both ostensibly politicians of the people, for the people, want the desires of a foreign government to hold supremacy over the wishes of the people.

    To me, it is evidence that socialists are supporters of government, not people.


  5. “It was in Margaret Thatcher’s interests in 82 to divert attention form her catastrophic economic issues

    It never ceases to amaze me that the left’s hatred of Thatcher runs to the point of supporting an unprovoked attack by a right-wing military junta. Apparently responding to such an attack is an exercise in “diverting attention”.

    This is where Corbyn will come unstuck: the traditional working class Labour would have supported our retaking of the Falklands (indeed, many of their sons died in doing so). Whereas Corbyn represents the Islington set who think Argentinian dictatorships are morally superior to the UK government.

  6. Thatch did more than her share of bringing down a fascist regime in Argentina and a communist regime in the Soviet empire. What has Corvid ever achieved?

  7. Whereas Corbyn represents the Islington set who think Argentinian dictatorships are morally superior to the UK government.

    Well, of course they are. They are (very, very slightly) less white than we are. Certainly than the Kelpers are. By definition, they win any game of Top Trumps (Evil Colonialist Bastards edition.)

    Especially as they don’t have any natives to be colonialist bastards too. Admittedly, only because they killed them all off but that was ages ago and that can be trivially blamed on the slightly-less-evil-than-British-because-they-are-duskier-of-hue Colonialist Bastard Spanish, not the nice Argentinians.

  8. Sebastian Weetabix

    Wilson & Callaghan were both reasonable people, dealing with unreasonable unions (inter alia), so naturally they failed. Thatcher’s blinding insight was that you cannot reason with an uncooperative unreasonable enemy which is a roadblock to change – you must take it on and destroy it. So she did.

    But thinking back to my prole roots, the reason they really hated her was deeper than that – it was because she was a woman. You couldn’t beat an old Labour working men’s club for misogyny. They were quite a few old geezers in the one my father went to who quite genuinely believed women literally should not wear trousers.

    As for Comrade Corbynovich, he must know deep down in the real world he shouldn’t win this. He’s joined the cast of Being There. It is going to be deliciously hilarious the first time he gets up on his hind legs at PMQs.

  9. “Self-determination” in the case of plots of land with less than two or three million or so inhabitants is meaningless. Do the people medium size counties in the UK have the right to self-determination?

  10. “There is a letter been produced by five nobel peace prize winners”

    So fucking what? why not five Premiership football managers?

  11. “Self-determination” in the case of plots of land with less than two or three million or so inhabitants is meaningless.

    Not to the inhabitants.

    Do the people medium size counties in the UK have the right to self-determination?

    Why do people keep conflating / confusing different circumstances in atttempts to prove a point? /rhetorical question

  12. Other situations like this, for example the dispute between Finland and Sweden over the Aman Islands, was sorted out by some degree of joint administration while maintaining nationality. It was done with Hong Kong, it has been done to some extent with Gibraltar.

    Gibraltar isn’t under Spain’s administration, joint or otherwise.

  13. “Other situations like this”

    Yes, like Obama paying Iran $160,000,000,000 to accept our surrender. How times have changed. We bombed the shit out of Hanoi to get them to accept our surrender. Seems like a better approach to me.

  14. bloke (not) in spain

    Must say, the ” to some extent Gibraltar” reference gets me puzzled. The Dagos are almost on a war footing, along the coast. Wouldn’t surprise me to see tanks going past on the A(P)7 (Sorry A7 – Madrid couldn’t afford the peaje charges)
    THEY don’t seem to think they’re sharing any degree of joint administration.
    Corbyn does know were Gib is, does he? Europe ‘n that?

  15. I don’t think it was done in the Aland – not Aman – islands either. The islands are under Finnish administration only, albeit with considerable devolved powers. But Sweden has no involvement in the administration of the islands as far as I am aware.

  16. Tim Newman,

    It’s worth recalling that even the terrible Michael Foot supported Britain reclaiming the Falklands. That’s how bad Corbyn is.

    Corbyn might even be the catalyst that gets northerners to stop voting Labour out of blind loyalty.

  17. Looking a bit further ahead, if Corbyn wins (and there is a whole bunch of dirty tricks in the Mandleson and Cambell sick bucket awaiting Corbyn) how many Labour MPs will stick with the Labour Party?

    Given that they lined up behind such hopeless cretins like Brown and Milliband, will they be their normal spineless selves?

  18. @John Miller
    They’ll stay as long as they think they can hold onto their seat. They don’t give a shit who runs the place as long as they keep their noses in the trough.

    I’d give it until 2019 before they start looking for an exit and new party if Corbyn turns out to be as bad as everyone sane thinks.

  19. JC as Labour leader is going to be like shooting fish in a barrel for his opponents. There enough stuff in his past pronouncements to piss off virtually everyone who isn’t a raving Leftist thug or an Islamist. This Argie supporting schtick will piss off working class voters of any hue, as will the pro immigration/pro terrorist/pro anyone who hates the UK stuff. The usual tax/spend/print money/nationalise anything that moves stuff will terrify the middle classes. He’s even done a good job of pissing off women with his segregated carriages gaffe. He’s basically going to be left with the white male SWP types and radical Muslims and thats it.

  20. RM:

    ‘“Self-determination” in the case of plots of land with less than two or three million or so inhabitants is meaningless.’

    As UKL says, not to the inhabitants. Your figure is entirely arbitrary, and why should there be any limit on numbers?

  21. @ Ralph Musgrave
    So what about the 58 sovereign states with populations less than 2 million, four of which are members of the EU?
    Another, Iceland, has the oldest parliament in the world.

  22. @RM, I think you’re confusing a couple of islands in the middle of the ocean with landlocked counties in the middle of… erm other counties and sharing land borders therewith.

    But I’m sure the Luxembourgeois, Liechtensteiners, Latvians and so on share your view that they shouldn’t have a right to SD,

  23. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Bearing in mind Kelpers have a GDP per capita at least ten times that of the moribund Argies*, the prospect of Buenos Aires and its gang of deranged spendthrifts having any say whatever in the administration of the Falklands must fill them with horror.

    * and substantially higher than the UK, to boot

  24. @Block In Surrey: Sweden ceded Aland to Russia in the early 1800s. In the years leading up to the 1920’s there was a dispute regarding the territorial status, and Swedish troops where deployed on the islands during the Finnish civil war. Following that (after Aland was granted autonomy, in the 30’s) Sweden had a problem recognising/respecting the Aland Islands’ demilitarised status for a period of time.

    AFAIK, there never was joint administration.

  25. And yes, the Aman Island is outside of Malaysia. Pretty far from the sphere of influence of both Sweden and Finland. He has to have meant Aland.

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