Please reassure Owen Jones that not all lefties become rightwing with age. My grandparents came from Ukraine and were Bolsheviks. My grandfather, both grandmothers and two great aunts were founder members of the Communist party and remained members until they died in their 90s. My father, aunt and uncle were also CP members for most of their lives. I am 68, have been a party member from 16, and I have no intention of changing my orientation. Carry on the good work, Owen.
Dr Laura Miller
London
Well done ignoring the major lesson of the 20th century.
But then might this be the same Dr. Laura Miller?
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Madricha (Leader) Dr Laura Miller is trained and licensed by the Society for Secular Humanist Judaism in the USA. She studied under the late and much lamented Sherwin Wine. Laura lives in London, England, and at present is the only Officiant for Secular Humanist Judaism in Europe. She has written and coordinated weddings, funerals, bar and bat mitzvot, baby namings and adoptions (in place of conversions), and is prepared to travel if a family would like her participation.In SHJ ceremonies, the scripts are written by the families or couple concerned, using a template and list of possible Jewish traditions translated into modern terms that Humanists accept. In addition, other traditions can be included if family or couple feel they are important. The only caveat is that Officiants licensed by the SHJ do not use God language directly in their ceremonies but prayers etc. can be incorporated by others in the ceremony if the family/couple so wish.
Judaism without God is an interesting concept, no?
CofE has managed Christianity without God for over a century, so why not?
Sort of like Ralph Millitwat then. There really are some people we shouldn’t let into the country.
The CP is more like a religion than a political philosophy. Like Hobsbaum, Neruda, Sartre etc, once you join you never recant.
“My grandparents came from Ukraine and were Bolsheviks.”
If a famine that kills millions of your fellow countrymen doesn’t change your mind are you evil/stupid or both?
Of course why would a Ukrainian Bolshevik live in the UK as opposed to the USSR? Isn’t that like an English Tory moving to the USSR?
My grandparents came from Ukraine and were Bolsheviks.
This is like boasting that your grandparents were Nazis.
“Of course why would a Ukrainian Bolshevik live in the UK as opposed to the USSR? Isn’t that like an English Tory moving to the USSR?”
Perhaps her grandparents were some of those lovely bolsheviks who carried out the Holodomor so they weren’t popular with their neighbours?
Perhaps her grandparents were some of those lovely bolsheviks who carried out the Holodomor so they weren’t popular with their neighbours?
That, or Nazi collaborators.
@ anon
More like a Dubliner Paisleyite moving to Vatican City
“Judaism without God is an interesting concept, no?”
I thought it was called “Reform Judaism”.
Like that bit from Yes Minister:
“What’s a modernist in the Church of England?”
“Ah, well, the word ‘modernist’ is code for non-believer.”
“You mean an atheist?”
“No, no. An atheist couldn’t continue to draw his stipend, so when they stop believing in God they call themselves modernists.”
“That, or Nazi collaborators.”
As they were Jewish, that seems unlikely.
Sounds like Deirdre Dutt – Pauker I Think……..
“Judaism without God is an interesting concept, no?” Some scholars think that Judaism had multiple gods until as late as the Babylonian exile. Their belief is that it was meeting Zoroastrians that turned Jews to monotheism. So maybe monotheism is just another bit of Judaism that was picked up in Iraq, along with various bits of its foundation myths.
James James, thanks for reminding us of that, you’ve made my day.
@”john77
September 11, 2015 at 10:18 am
@ anon
More like a Dubliner Paisleyite moving to Vatican City
”
Very good comparison
Awful boast there, I mean her parents are Stalinist lackeys. Shame. SHAME!!!!!!!!
SHJ
I want to join!
Just imagine their ceremonies…..everyone dancing around singing “if I were a rich man” and have a jolly time….
Even stranger than a religion without God is a Bolshevik with a business. She presumably gets paid to do these weddings etc. The piece quoted sounds like low key advertising to my ears.
Shades of Alexi Sayle–
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgcIMjEzPJA
I know a few “secular” Jews. It’s a “race thing” .
“That, or Nazi collaborators.”
As they were Jewish, that seems unlikely.
Well there’s a hell of a lot of Jewish lefties who are blindly pro-mass (Islamic) migration. Same difference…
Secularist Humanist Judaism.
So you take up lefty politics, drop God, but keep the second kitchen.
That’s Ed that is!
Jonathan:
“”That, or Nazi collaborators.”
As they were Jewish, that seems unlikely.”
yes, that seems to have been the very point of the comparison. thing is the commies were not really so nice to jews either
Johnnydub>
Amazingly enough, Jewish people would commonly prefer to live in a world with open(ish) borders so they can flee if they have to than take the word of people like you that they won’t have to.
This week/year you’ve got some nutty racist ideas in your head about ‘muzzies’; next year it might be Jewish people, or Catholics, or those with dark skin, or blue eyes. Yeah, it’s really odd that they don’t trust you…
So what’s the criteria for absolute trust that can be relied on then Dave?
Whites like you who will take up the arse absolutely any abuse offered from absolutely anywhere by absolutely anybody ?
Eh?
Dave +1
So “muzzies” gets brought back into use does it? Shortly followed no doubt by the blanket denial of it ever being used.
Dave: “This week/year you’ve got some nutty racist ideas in your head about ‘muzzies’…”
On this day, of all days, you try this? You have no shame.
Julia,
Please. We all know that it was done by the US Govt, under order from the Bilderberg Group, who are controlled by the Joos / Lizards / the Illuminati / the Knights Templar / whatever your delusion of choice is.
@ Emil
The Communists were unpleasant to Practising (beleiving) Jews but they included a fair number of atheists who were descended from Jews. I read a bit of a major work on Stalin and Hitler which commented that Hitler didn’t need to make up claims about Jewish Communists as there were so many “Jews” (people of Jewish descent) in Stalin’s inner circle.
Ahh, one of those famous left wing masochists.
Loves Ukraine but sacrifices herself in London.
Bet she didn’t draw her inflated salary after the Labour GP contract cock up.
She’s no relation BTW
Sounds like universal Unitarians, come along and believe (or not believe) in whatever you like as they don’t do dogma, just be nice to other people and respect their beliefs or non-beliefs.
Except with a bit of genocide.
”That, or Nazi collaborators.”
“As they were Jewish, that seems unlikely.”
Surely all communists were Nazi collaborators while Stalin was.
Dave – “Amazingly enough, Jewish people would commonly prefer to live in a world with open(ish) borders so they can flee if they have to than take the word of people like you that they won’t have to.”
Open borders: Good for the Jews! But what about everyone else?
Er, the first occurrence of ‘muzzies’ on this thread was in the comment by Dave that you were +1ing.
Jerry>
Good for everyone else too. Because the Jewish people have merely had more lessons in how irrational hatred works: next time the focus of the crazies might be you or I.