Hmm. Half time, 12-13 to the Argies against a 13 man NZ.September 20, 2015 Tim WorstallSport29 CommentsWe can hope but pretty sure the All Blacks will pull themselves together….. previousYou don’t say, eh?nextScientists claim women are cack handed 29 thoughts on “Hmm. Half time, 12-13 to the Argies against a 13 man NZ.” Matthew L September 20, 2015 at 6:19 pm I think NZ will pull through. Argentina aren’t an 80 minute team. New Zealand aren’t either – they’re more like a 100 minute team. Matthew L September 20, 2015 at 6:19 pm On reading that again – you hope? The bloody argies??? Matthew L September 20, 2015 at 6:43 pm Told you. Very scrappy from the ABs though. Hopefully they pick up a bit. Dave September 20, 2015 at 7:36 pm Argentinian rugby players are OK. Not sure why, but if they’d beat the All Blacks, they’d be alright. I’m sure there are still a few crusty old buggers complaining about Japan: ‘don’t you remember how they treated our chaps in the war?’ Dennis the Peasant September 20, 2015 at 8:03 pm “All Blacks”? Sounds racist. Clovis Sangrail September 20, 2015 at 9:21 pm @Dennis Just in case you didn’t know, the All Blacks are the New Zealand rugby team. Half of them are Maoris and they’re bloody terrifying. The most famous All Black (probably) is Jonah Lomu (not actually Maori) who had a playing weight of 265 lbs and could run 100m in under ten seconds. He scored at least one World Cup try after running straight over one of the opposition. As I said, bloody terrifying. AndrewWS September 20, 2015 at 9:25 pm I was in the vicinity (doing something else) just as the fans were arriving. Lovely atmosphere, but I would have thought a few Falkland Islands flags would have looked good among those supporting the ABs. PF September 20, 2015 at 10:20 pm “Jonah Lomu … He scored at least one World Cup try after running straight over one of the opposition.” Do you mean this, against England? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhmQlxCDFSc I remember it vividly. Dennis the Peasant September 20, 2015 at 10:25 pm Clovis – I knew and yes, they would scare most NFL players to death. I lived next to a house full of rugby players while in college. It allowed me to see just how good campus security and the local police force where at riot control. Clovis Sangrail September 20, 2015 at 10:49 pm @PF Yes, that’s the one. @Dennis I thought you almost certainly did, but couldn’t resist. I had always suspected what you say about NFL players but have never dared say so myself. bloke in france September 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm That trip by McCaw should have had at least a double yellow (a sanction that doesn’t exist). He’s got 140+ caps and he brought the game into disrepute. MyBurningEars September 21, 2015 at 1:33 am @Clovis “The most famous All Black (probably) is Jonah Lomu (not actually Maori) who had a playing weight of 265 lbs and could run 100m in under ten seconds.” Under 11, surely? Ed Snack September 21, 2015 at 4:07 am OK in the end, but a rusty display. Bombed three tries from handling errors, but Argentina were committed on defence and the AB’s work hard. And that’s just what the AB’s needed, they now have the problem of two more really easy (or should be !) matches before the quarters. Argentina could easily make the third round. James in NZ September 21, 2015 at 6:23 am Argentina have moved on in leaps and bounds since joining the Rugby Championship. They should have been years beforehand and it was a disgrace that they weren’t. The “plucky underdog” label for them is wearing slightly thin now that they get regular game time against top level opponents – and also beat / come close against them. Come the quarters France (probably) or Ireland are going to find them tough opponents. Tim Newman September 21, 2015 at 7:22 am The All Blacks are notorious for starting series “rusty”, and scraping a win in the first match, improving slightly in the second, and then blowing everyone off the park in the third. Remember the England tour of NZ last year? The first test, when England fielded a skeleton team, saw NZ scrape a win. The third test was conversion practice for the plethora of Kiwi No. 10s. Interested September 21, 2015 at 11:12 am @MBE – yes, Lomu could not run the 100m in under 10 seconds. He was very quick for a big bloke over twenty or thirty metres, which is enough in most situations in rugby, and could certainly maintain a good top end, but let’s not exaggerate! Ed Snack September 21, 2015 at 11:20 am Interestingly enough Lomu couldn’t run 3 km in under 13.5 minutes (4:30 average per km), as he was entirely focused on short distance sprint speed. But yes, he was possibly an 11 second 100 metre runner at his best, but fast enough and at his peak, hard to bring down. His try in the SA world cup was one of THE classics, especially as the England team had been running him down before the match. Beansie September 21, 2015 at 2:31 pm The fact is the World Cup tournament has never suited the All Blacks and it was only when they have adapted their usual expansive game (as in 2011) that they’ve managed to bag the glory. The games from the quarter-final stage onwards are almost always tight, suffocating affairs where the reduction in errors is viewed as more important than scoring tries and has led to several finals and semis where bugger all, if any, tries are scored. Unfortunately for New Zealand they’ve been caught at this stage, and earlier, by much less fancied teams and I wouldn’t bet against it happening again this time. I for one never find the tournament an enjoyable spectacle and much prefer the bread and butter competitions (6 Nations, Rugby Championship etc) where teams play with much more freedom. I suppose you could say the same thing about the football equivalent. Beansie September 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm @Ed Snack. “His try in the SA world cup was one of THE classics, especially as the England team had been running him down before the match.” They made a decent stab of running him down after the game too when an obviously very humbled Will Carling tried to imply Lomu was some sort of ‘freak’. That New Zealand were simply just a far superior team and would have won without the winger was completely beside the point, of course. Edward Lud September 21, 2015 at 6:00 pm Has anyone ever considered inventing a game which could pit rugby players against NFL players, somehow evening the ground so they could compete fair and square? From my limited experience of NFL, the main differences from rugby seem to that a. play never lasts more than about five seconds, and b. they wear a lot of very obvious protective clothing. Dennis the Peasant September 21, 2015 at 6:25 pm There is no way to even the ground. U.S. football is too specialized. The offensive and defensive linemen are, for all practical purposes, sumo wrestlers… They couldn’t run 30 yards at a sprint, much less 100. Most quarterbacks would be injured or die during their first scrum. Linebackers, some running backs, and few receivers (tight ends) might be able to play rugby, but that’s about it. Dennis the Peasant September 21, 2015 at 6:37 pm Actually, the scariest thing I’ve ever seen on a playing field (any sport) was when I first saw Fiji’s rugby team dance the bole. The second scariest was NZ doing the haka. Edward Lud September 21, 2015 at 6:43 pm Thanks, D the P – interesting. What about rugby players who could play American football? Incidentally, although it’s nearly 30 years since I played rugby (at school, when I was still made of steel and elastic), I played second row in the scrum, and don’t recall it being that vicious. Tackles, OTOH, could be brutal. Dennis the Peasant September 21, 2015 at 6:51 pm Nearly all of them could play linebacker, running back or tight end… The size and speed of rugby players would match well to those positions. If you want to see why NFL players end up getting concussed all the time, just watch the way they tackle vs. the way a rugby player tackles. Ironically, all the equipment they wear encourages them to lead with their head/helmet rather than going for an arm tackle around the waist the way rugby players do. Edward Lud September 21, 2015 at 6:57 pm Others on this thread will know better than I, but I seem to recall strict rules in rugby against tackling above waist height. Plus, I also seem to recall it makes more sense to whip a bloke’s leg out from under him, if you actually want to stop him, than to plant yourself on his shoulders! Edward Lud September 21, 2015 at 7:57 pm Come to think of it, I’m pretty sure I was taught to aim for the ankles, or slightly above.. Dennis the Peasant September 21, 2015 at 8:19 pm “Come to think of it, I’m pretty sure I was taught to aim for the ankles, or slightly above..” One knee to the head would undo that sort of teaching. Me? I’d go for the waist. Edward Lud September 21, 2015 at 8:33 pm I was probably uncommonly stupid, and took the instruction at face value: I recall that if you got the ankles more or less in tandem, halfway through the cycle, it worked a treat. But, yes, variations on a theme thereof could result in a knee’d eye or a hoof in the gob. Stupid game, now I come to think of it, suitable only for wide-chested teenagers with more health than sense. PF September 22, 2015 at 11:46 am As a light weight, go for the waist and then drop / slide the arms down – easier to stop / strangle the movement of the legs that way. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.