Women are entirely equal, there should be no discrimination whatsoever:
Suffragette, which stars Carey Mulligan, Helena Bonham Carter, Romola Garai, Anne-Marie Duff, Natalie Press, Ben Whishaw and Brendan Gleeson, is based on a screenplay by the British writer of Shame and The Iron Lady, Abi Morgan. Streep appears in just a single scene as Pankhurst, but has handled many of the press duties at Telluride with Mulligan absent due to pregnancy.
Doing the publicity round is part and parcel of acting in a film, yes?
It’s not discrimination/sexist if it’s the SJW’s are voluntarily doing it.
Now if she’d been told by some bloke not to turn up because she was pregnant, that’s a whole other kettle of tripe….
Pankhurst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qIndoWEkaU
I approve of Carey Mulligan and Romola Garai. Those sweet English roses have very delicate elbows.
However, I don’t approve of women voting. It’s unladylike.
We should have a “seperate-but-equal” franchise, where property-owning males over the age of 30 vote for MP’s, and girls vote for things that matter to them, like “fluffiest kitten”, or “kindest eyes”.
Chavs won’t get to vote at all. They’ll be too busy cleaning out chimneys.
“Doing the publicity round is part and parcel of acting in a film, yes?”
Indeed – in fact it’s written into the contract that you have to do it. Some actors are better than this than others — Tom Hanks for example is always cheery and affable when doing the talk show circuit and pressers touting the latest flick whereas Tommy Lee Jones is notorious for one word answers delivered in a sullen sneer.
Steve,
I think you may have this the wrong way around. It’s women, at least the right sort of women, that have the required mix of practicality and ruthlessness. I yield to no one in my admiration for Bertie Wooster, but a Junta led by the likes of Aunt Dahlia is what we really need.
If the franchise were to be restricted, by preference would be Mothers Only.
Tommy Lee Jones is notorious for one word answers delivered in a sullen sneer
That’s known as “staying in character”.
They are not campaigning for equality. They are campaigning for State-enforced compulsion.
The ERA was defeated by one of the great heroes of our time. A single woman took on a cause supported by all the media, by both the main political parties – the Republican Establishment endorsed it as much as the Democrats – all academia, the rest of the Great and Good.
And she won.
Steve,
In principle I like the idea of women voting, but the results mean that I think we should stop it. The Green vote is overwhelmingly female. You can kinda understand it because it women have a much larger fluffykittenocampus in their brains than men do. Men have a larger fixingthingsinshedscortex that means that they can take things apart and put them together and that includes things like political ideas.
If we get power outages in a few years time, it will be because of women voting for saving the polar bears (like a polar bear wouldn’t tear your fucking limbs of if you went near it). Of course, once the outages come, they’ll go crazy about the result. Where men can put all this cause and effect stuff together in advance.
I am generalising here. There’s plenty of women who can do all this, but men are better at it, and therefore should do the voting.
And yes, apply the large fluffykittenocampus to cake decorating and buying cushions, something men are incompetent at.
Jack C – it depends on what you want from politics.
My political ideals are simple: low taxes, minimal legislation, and an unrelenting war of conquest against foreigners in general and the French in particular.
We don’t need Aunt Dahlia and her hellish harridans to accomplish those things. They might be too efficient, and thus find time to further berate their nephews through statute.
The Stigler – I agree with you and – in the interests of fairness and equality – think that women of both sexes shouldn’t vote.
Women never wanted the vote in the first place. The whole suffragette movement was a feminine cry for attention gone horribly wrong.
Men, being typically clueless, took their demands at face value. But all those bored upper middle class housewives really wanted was some emotionally nourishing drama.
So the Green Party. I think there’s a place for a Green Party, and that place is St. Kilda.
“So the Green Party. I think there’s a place for a Green Party, and that place is St. Kilda.”
No–Hell.
I wonder how many of them are aware of many of the things Pankhurst believed in and campaigned for. Her vociferous war-mongering in WW1, for example. The “white feather” movement.
This stuff has simmy been airbrushed from history.
Oh, as for the “only getting five responses whinge”. If I wrote to all the senators and moaned that only five responded, everyone would say “so what?” But she’s a sleb, so SOCIAL JUSTICE!
^ simmy = simply
The place for the Green Party is Cambodia, circa 1976.
Steve,
“I agree with you and – in the interests of fairness and equality – think that women of both sexes shouldn’t vote.”
I’d love to stop the milquetoast Guardian reading guy next door from voting, but that’s much more difficult to filter. It’s like, I’d be happy with JuliaM voting, but how do we sort out the JuliaMs from the women that believe in crystal healing?
Rob,
I’ll bet they also don’t mention that she didn’t want the vote for all women, just the right sort of women, like her.
I really liked Spielberg’s Lincoln because it didn’t avoid all the dodgy stuff like how people were bribed with government non-jobs to get them to vote for the 13th Amendment.
Meryl Streep has revealed she received only five responses after writing personally to all 535 members of the US congress calling for the introduction of new equality laws.
Those bastards! Don’t they know who she is?
“I sent them each a book called Equal Means Equal by Jessica Neuwirth,” said Streep, who cameos as women’s rights campaigner Emmeline Pankhurst in Sarah Gavron’s forthcoming feminist historical drama. “It’s about the revival of the attempt to get an ERA [Equal Rights Amendment], that would codify in law that you can’t discriminate against women. I got five answers.”
Some people’s faces are self-refuting. Here’s
Rosa KlebbJessica Neuwirth.“I am writing to ask you to stand up for equality – for your mother, your daughter, your sister, your wife or yourself by actively supporting the equal rights amendment,” she wrote.
An equal rights amendment that would strip them of any special legal consideration as wives and mothers, and would massively expand the power of the courts to interfere in people’s lives to further the vague and quixotic goal of “sexual equality”.
Streep noted that just 1% of movies were currently directed by women
Whose fault is that? Streep herself has never directed a film. Do we believe that’s because of muh sojiny against the multimillionairess 3-time Oscar winning actress? Or maybe she just isn’t that interested in subsisting on 4 hours sleep a night, sweating over the daily rushes, arguing with bean counters about budgets, and spending months doing fiddly and unglamorous post-production work?
It’s a real head-scratcher.
Mr Ecks – Steady on.
What did Lucifer ever do to you?
The Stigler –
I’d love to stop the milquetoast Guardian reading guy next door from voting, but that’s much more difficult to filter.
A lifesized cardboard cutout of George Monbiot outside each polling place, with a sign saying “you must be more masculine than this to vote.”
Also, cyclists, vegetarians, white men with dreadlocks, people with curly hair and the Welsh would be barred.
I’d be happy with JuliaM voting,
I’d vote for Julia.
but how do we sort out the JuliaMs from the women that believe in crystal healing?
The only fair way to resolve this is through bikini wrestling.
Rob – I know a guy from Cambodia. He is lucky to be alive and in Britain. Works like a mad insomniac bastard and dotes on his wee ones.
I’d take him over any 10 members of the Green Party any day.
I meant that the Green Party would be entirely at home in Cambodia in 1976. It would have been their dream society. At least until they found themselves in the field and realised a degree in wimmins studies doesn’t prepare you for backbreaking subsistence agriculture.
The Wikipedia page for the Cambodian General Election of 1976 is worth a visit.
National United Front of Cambodia – 3,393,611 votes, 250 seats.
Invalid/blank votes – 0
Turnout: 98%
National United Front of Cambodia wins!
Moving back to the original point.
Casting was in very early 2013.
(So far announced, according to IMDB) Release dates are between Sept 15 and Feb 16.
Three years. That one or more of the female members of the cast might become pregnant in that period is hardly exceptional and probably entirely manageable and entirely well managed (with some grumbling about piss-poor timing, perhaps.) I seem to recall other movies that had to film around pregnant actresses*, rather than merely involving them less in the quite gruelling publicity rounds.
But a great big meh, from me.
* Ocean’s Twelve actually incorporated faking pregnancy in to the script!
St Kilda / Cambodia
Wouldn’t Gough Island or South Georgia be more interesting to them from an environmental angle.
Sure, I accept that the penguins would want compensation.
Rob – I think Natalie Bennett would appreciate the chance to live closer to the land.
And the biodiversity! You are never very far from a scorpion in Cambodia. During the daytime, they mostly stay hidden in crevices or under shelter, so you may not see one unless you are turning over rocks and logs.
Kek.
PF – I like the cut of your jib.
SE – Casting was in very early 2013.
(So far announced, according to IMDB) Release dates are between Sept 15 and Feb 16.
Three years.
This might be related to why so few women go into directing.
An actress turns up on set for a few weeks, then goes on to the next role. With maybe some red carpet jollies in between.
A director works on a film for years. I’m led to understand it can be a gruelling job, where they can be involved in everything from budget pitches to location scouting to sorting out catering arrangements, bribing local union bosses/mafioso, massaging the egos of their stars, and months of tedious editing.
The best directors are often Aspergery obsessives.
Is it any wonder most girls in the movie industry prefer a heated trailer, wearing pretty clothes, being done up by professional makeup artists, and simply reading the lines they’re given?
Steve,
“Whose fault is that? Streep herself has never directed a film. Do we believe that’s because of muh sojiny against the multimillionairess 3-time Oscar winning actress? Or maybe she just isn’t that interested in subsisting on 4 hours sleep a night, sweating over the daily rushes, arguing with bean counters about budgets, and spending months doing fiddly and unglamorous post-production work?
It’s a real head-scratcher.”
It’s also that there is almost no female guerilla film making. And that’s no-one’s fault but women. There was no Old Boy’s Club that gave Kevin Smith or Robert Rodriguez a break. They figured out some rather unusual funding arrangements, looked at what they had available, wrote a script around it, grabbed some free people as actors and made a film. Any woman can do likewise, but there’s almost no-one doing so.
See, women just don’t go around looking for how to make things happen. They expect to be told what to do and how to do it and if that doesn’t work, they give up or complain or ask a man. Despite women doing 90% of the housework in the 70s, it took a man to take a vacuum cleaner apart and solve the problem of loss of suction as the bag got full.
There should be no discrimination whatever?
Oh no, that won’t do at all.
There should be plenty of discrimination, but all of it should be in favour of women.
The Stigler – women just don’t go around looking for how to make things happen.
I was reading an article the other day about women leaving the US tech industry, which is apparently a terrible problem about which Something Must Be Done (in addition to all the Things Being Done by Apple and Intel and co. to coddle female engineers).
One of their main complaints is “lack of a clear career path”.
Well, fancy that.
An industry founded on the principle of creative disruption, whose leading lights are men who dropped out of school to start businesses, or invented new products in their parents’ garage, which is centred around products and services that didn’t even exist 10 or 20 years ago… doesn’t have a clear career path.
As if it was the civil service, or a university, or something.
Ada Lovelace wept.
I seem to recall other movies that had to film around pregnant actresses*
Maryline Monroe was heavily pregnant in Some Like It Hot. I point this out to feminists who insist on perpetuating the myth that she was really a tubster.
Tim Newman,
“I point this out to feminists who insist on perpetuating the myth that she was really a tubster.”
One of her dresses was auctioned a few years ago and put on a (US) size 2 mannequin. About an 8 in the UK.
I doubt men were ever into chubbies like feminists would like us to believe. Picking a healthy but slim woman is a good way to get kids. A BBW fetishist would find slim pickings in the under-25s.
One of their main complaints is “lack of a clear career path”.
So what they want is some horrifically layered management structure which as they climb they get to go to loads of pointless meetings and order people about.
Most “tech people” couldn’t care about a “career path”. They want to do lots of interesting stuff and get paid lots of money for doing it.
@steve
My political ideals are simple: low taxes, minimal legislation, and an unrelenting war of conquest against foreigners in general and the French in particular.
And the Dutch, especially the dutch, don’t forget the dutch. They’re always spying on us and their too tall by half and smugger than any other including the English and french.
My politics is even simpler, I just don’t want to be ruled by a labour party that hates the English. Policies come second to that.
they’re – dooooh, why no edit button?
An edit button is all I’ve ever wanted… Tim, can you..?
Trouble is we’d probably then have to log in, or I’d be be able to correct all sorts of nonsense…:)
JB – I’m not sure what you’ve got against the Dutch, they strike me as not too dissimilar to ourselves – generally good eggs and successful, even if (unsurprisingly given the similarities) we’ve had our disagreements. Did I get that wrong..?
So are they complaining that she is exercising her hard fought right to maternity leave, or is maternity leave some form of sexist coddling from a patriarchal elite?
PF,
The Dutch aren’t that similar.
– Their footballers can speak English
– Their footballers can play football to a high standard
– They’re better than us at both Rugby and Cricket (and that’s just their southerners).
– And porn.
On the other hand, their own language should be banned as noise pollution, and/or self harm, and we have the humour.
They’re really not better than us at rugby. I’ve played the Dutch Military Academy 3 times and in a couple of tournaments in the Low Countries without coming within a country mile of being beaten (other than by other British teams in the tournaments).
TomJ
He meant the springboks..;)
It was a neat litlle “sidestep” by Jack C…