They don’t quite get the history, do they?

“His lineage has been traced and his forefathers were slave-owners and benefited from slavery,” he said. “We were left behind because of racism.”

This appears to be a reference to the fact that General Sir James Duff, Cameron’s cousin six times removed, received more than £4,000 compensation for loss of 202 Jamaican slaves when the trade ended 1833.

No, that’s when slavery ended in the Empire, not when the trade ended in the Empire.

27 thoughts on “They don’t quite get the history, do they?”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    Britain has primogeniture among the ruling class. The idea that Cameron’s cousin, six times removed, contributed in any way to Cameron’s wealth seems somewhat unlikely.

    “His lineage has been traced and his forefathers were slave-owners and benefited from slavery,” he said. “We were left behind because of racism.”

    No. You were left behind because you chose to be feckless and politically radical.

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    Jamaican opposition politicians are threatening to boycott this speech, with Ed Bartlett, a frontbench spokesman for the country’s Labour party, saying the issue of reparations was “gaining movement in the region”

    Yeah like that is a surprise isn’t it?

    Slash their aid. Start deporting Jamaican nationals. Impose tougher visa conditions. Close British universities to Jamaican students. Prevent their wives shopping at Harrods.

  3. You can see why he would still benefit from a windfall to his six times removed cousin, 182 years ago.

    This is piss weak. Embarrassing, even. They aren’t just scraping the barrel but gouging deep into the wood.

  4. Applying the same logic, Diane Abbott is where she is today and not living in Sierra Leone because of slavery. To whom can I apply for compensation?

  5. @Rob – indeed.

    And if the test is “cousin 6 times removed”, how many people trying to claim reparations could find a slave owner at that degree of separation, which is what, 8 or 9 generations removed depending on whether it’s first or second cousin 6x removed?

  6. How much is it costing us for the dozy twat’s ego-trip to rasta-land anyway?. Why the hell does anybody care about what they think in Jamaica?

  7. Wot john77 said with added invective.
    Of you want to claim victimhood based upon near – ancient history them please learn a few basic facts and terms.

  8. The prime minister is under pressure to mention Britain’s involvement in the slave trade when he addresses the nation’s parliament on Wednesday

    Eh, why? Are the Jamaicans under pressure to mention Jamaican involvement in the drugs trade in Britain?

    Portia Simpson Miller, the Jamaican leader, raised the issue of reparations in a formal meeting with Cameron on Tuesday evening

    Portia Simpson Miller is quite a posh sounding name, and a couple of seconds googling reveals her net worth to be estimated at around £15m.

    The slave trade doesn’t seem to have harmed her.

    David Cameron’s net worth is less than £5m.

    Maybe she should bung him some cash.

    Ed Bartlett, a frontbench spokesman for the country’s Labour party, saying the issue of reparations was “gaining movement in the region”

    Free money is popular. Who knew?

    Bert Samuels, a member of the island’s National Commission on Reparations, appeared on Jamaican television to say Cameron needed to “atone, apologise, personally and on behalf of his country” for slavery.

    “His lineage has been traced and his forefathers were slave-owners and benefited from slavery,”

    His blood be upon us, and on our children, eh?

    he said. “We were left behind because of racism.”

    Would it be better if he was sent back to Africa? Usually that sort of sentiment is considered racist.

    This appears to be a reference to the fact that General Sir James Duff, Cameron’s cousin six times removed, received more than £4,000 compensation for loss of 202 Jamaican slaves when the trade ended 1833.

    Srsly? Apart from the genetic and probative tenuousness of this link (Cameron is more closely linked to Kevin Bacon than his ancient cousin, six times removed), what about the numbers?

    £4000 in 1833 is worth, very roughly, £350,000 now. That wouldn’t even buy Cameron a pied-a-terre in the nice parts of London.

    His cousin six times removed got screwed.

    Cameron announced the UK would give £300m to the Caribbean to pay for infrastructure.

    Why is our government giving away our money to one of the richer regions on the planet?

    And when will Dave learn that his spunking of taxpayers’ cash on foreigners only buys him their contempt?

  9. The Other Bloke in Italy

    I swear that some time in the past year I read a survey covering parts of the former Empire, where decent majorities of those questioned wished we would come back.

    From memory, I think Jamaica had a majority of native Empire Loyalists.

  10. The Other Bloke in Italy – “From memory, I think Jamaica had a majority of native Empire Loyalists.”

    The Syrians have to flee to Germany to get welfare. The Jamaicans are just wishing for the British to bring them their benefits forms without leaving the comfort of their own home?

  11. What about the benefits Jamaica has had through having a British style government and institutions? Dump that it is, it isn’t quite Haiti is it? So let’s offset that against the ‘reparations’, and my model works out the nett sum is zero. Voila!

  12. It would be interesting to trawl the Guardian for slave owning ancestors. I’d give good odds that you’ll find someone senior with a far more solid link than a six times removed cousin.

  13. Steve

    Absolutely brilliant as ever – spot on – you lighted upon the correct response to the ‘we were left behind’ comment – are these guys looking to relocate to West Africa? Seriously? Worked with a number of Jamaicans in both the UK and US – if all had one thing in common it was their contention that the politicians in their home country were feckless, corrupt and often criminal. One could surely add other adjectives to that list based on the quality of argument being deployed here….

  14. “Worked with a number of Jamaicans in both the UK and US – if all had one thing in common it was their contention that the politicians in their home country were feckless, corrupt and often criminal”

    I imported a Jamaican person to work for me a few years ago. I once asked her why she came to the UK ; she said “to give my children a chance”.

  15. @Rob

    ‘It would be interesting to trawl the Guardian for slave owning ancestors. I’d give good odds that you’ll find someone senior with a far more solid link than a six times removed cousin.’

    Corbyn has a certain olde worlde rynge to it too.

  16. I clicked on the link to the article. At the bottom of the screen, it said:

    ‘Support open, independent journalism. Become a Supporter from just £5/$8 per month’

    I looked up at the address bar, and it said theguardian. What the . . . ? Open? Independent?

    When did they change?

  17. Sins of the father . . . uh, cousin six times removed.

    Worse than that, Cameron wont be paying, everyone else will, they are asking for “Britain” to pay compensation.

    In other words, my ancestors had a hard time, please take some money off some random people and give it to me.

  18. Yes, and of course the Guardian will be happy to oblige. Never miss an opportunity to loot the taxpayer to sate your goodthinkfulness.

  19. My father was sold into servitude in Appalachian Kentucky during the Great Depression. That entitles me to . . .

    nothing.

  20. So Much For Subtlety

    Rob – “Yes, and of course the Guardian will be happy to oblige. Never miss an opportunity to loot the taxpayer to sate your goodthinkfulness.”

    Never miss an opportunity to punish the competent and hard working.

    Gamecock – “My father was sold into servitude in Appalachian Kentucky during the Great Depression. That entitles me to . . . nothing.”

    That is not fair. And not true. It entitles you to pay reparations to those of darker hue.

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