Is Corbyn too dim to be Prime Minister?

Jeremy Corbyn is too thick to be Prime Minister

Two Es at A-level and a lack of clear natural talent means that Mr Corbyn simply isn’t quick witted enough to become leader of the country

It has to be said that exam grades that would struggle to provide entry into a teacher training college don’t inspire awe really. And as one who used the local teacher training college as a girlfriend farm for a time I know some of what I speak.

However, the Telegraph isn’t exactly outdoing itself either:

Well, let’s park that thought for a moment while we consider that 2 Es were exactly the grades Jeremy Corbyn achieved when he took these exams around 40 years ago.

Show me one thing that Corbyn, now aged 57,

Err, Corbyn is 67, he took the exams around 50 years ago. 40 years ago he was already a councillor in Haringey.

87 thoughts on “Is Corbyn too dim to be Prime Minister?”

  1. Well, getting into Oxford, even to do PPE (a degree for “bright enough for Oxbridge, doesn’t really know what to study except definitely not STEM”) is a rather higher bar than EE…

    I suspect that Corbyn rather has the intellect preferred by the Soviets and other religious fanatics – not inquisitive enough to question received doctrine, nor bright enough to be a real leader who might upset the apple cart.

  2. Tim

    Actually 50 years ago EE would have been enough for a teacher training college. Nowadays it would probably be enough for two A/Bs. (More likely Bs).

    Arnald

    I can’t find the reference that you make in your link. However, your surmise is correct. Back in 1965, the school leaving age was 15 and the proportion of students who stayed until age 17 was less than 15%. See table on page 10.

    http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN04252.pdf

  3. abacab

    Since the proportion of pupils staying on at school after 16 was less than 15%, and the fact that results were norm referenced then there cannot be any comparison with what we now call a relative failure getting EE.

    page 6 in my original link

    So why are you lying?

  4. @Arnald – Why are you lying about me lying? You lying liar from Liarsville…….

    My statement was basic logic, which is why it was probably difficult.

    Absence of proof is not proof of absence: we can’t at this stage say anything about the intelligence of the 85% leaving school at 16, since we don’t have their O-level or CSE results to hand.

    However, EE is positive evidence of either thickness or laziness. Or both. Either way….

  5. abacab: 25 years ago, the A-level bar for getting into Oxford was EE. I know, they offered me it.

    Of course, to be given that offer one had to pass their entrance exams – which were rather tougher than A-levels – but hey ho 🙂

  6. Bloke in North Dorset

    Corbyn’s education qualifications are irrelevant because he is principled

    On a more serious note, education exam passes and “brightness” aren’t necessarily linked. I have met a lot of people who were very bright but hated school and couldn’t wait to leave. I’ve also met more than my fair share of over educated (ie lots of exam passes without understanding) dullards who I definitely wouldn’t want anywhere near Governement, but sadly quite a few of those dullards are civil servants and some of them quite senior.

    1975 was the last year of 15-year-olds leaving school, I know that because I was one of them.

  7. Yes, when I read the line about his being 57, I thought it sounded unlikely. Life on the backbenches can’t possibly be as stressful as the greyness of his hair would imply!

  8. Oh, and also to say: the failing to complete a course in Trade Union Studies makes me laugh heartily. I don’t have a problem in general with the idea of politicians who have few formal qualifications, but starting and then failing to complete a course in Trade Union Studies when your day job is in a trade union is a bit of an embarrassment. Particularly embarrassing when you go on to a career representing the Labour interest in Parliament.

  9. BiND,

    I remember some schools had “RoSLA Lounges” where those pupils no longer allowed to bail out early, could be warehoused away from their more studious peers… not sure it was a net advance overall, at least at the time.

  10. This is a dodgy road to go down.

    Gordon Brown was very clever indeed, but, to take one example, could not understand what removing the 10p tax rate would mean (which was very simple Riffmatic). It wasn’t his IQ that was the problem.

    Meanwhile, show me a successful entrepreneur and I’ll show you someone with a D grade in CSE Art, taken at gun point. Should we ban A Level students from running businesses?

  11. Some of the brightest people I knew in my former working life had zero academic qualifications. They were switched on, they just knew what they wanted to do and it wasn’t sitting in a classroom. No idea if this applies to Corbyn.

  12. @Jason Lynch

    “I remember some schools had “RoSLA Lounges” where those pupils no longer allowed to bail out early, could be warehoused away from their more studious peers… not sure it was a net advance overall, at least at the time.”

    Ha – I’ve just read the (very funny) autobiography of Gary Bell QC who was ROSLA-d at 16, left school without taking any exams at all, was a coal miner-turned-ASDA shelf stacker-turned-fork lift truck-driving football hooligan and fraudster and is now a leading defence silk specialising (ironically) in fraud.

    He did got to university eventually (having sat his O levels aged 20) but clearly his intelligence wasn’t the issue, he just didn’t fancy school.

    (It’s called ANIMAL QC for those who are interested. Highly recommended.)

  13. F at English, F at History, an unclassified grade at General Studies, leading me to suspect that I did not even bother to turn up for that one. 1980 it was. None of it has prevented advancement.

  14. abacab

    Back in 1965 education was streamed. While we cannot say with any certainty that the 15% who stayed in were the top 15%, it would have been skewed towards the more able. If Corbyn received two EEs at A level, it puts him in the 60-80th percentile of this cohort. At worst, I’d guesstimate that he would fall around the mean of ability for the population as a whole. At best (and assuming the A level results are representative) I’d guess somewhere in the top 25-30% (but no higher than that). .

    Note that I’m not saying he’s bright. But nowadays his two Es would probably be BB (yes standards have fallen that much). As in the 1960s, it would place a present day Corbyn in one of the new universities.

  15. Born 1949 so 66
    Bright enough to get into a selective Grammar school (albeit with the aid of a fee-paying preparatory school and a parent who was a maths teacher so could coach him for the arithmetic paper).
    Two Es out of three ‘A’ level entries is pretty much bottom of the class, but that may be because he was more interested in politics than school.

  16. @Arnald

    OK, I’ll bite. I have MEng(Oxon) (amongst others) after my name on my business cards.

    I believe this gives me the moral high ground to giggle at CallmeDave for having studied PPE, let alone at someone with EE and one year at a poly.

  17. John77

    I think that is partially my fault. My reading of the table on page 6 for those staying until age 17 is around 15% in 1965. I’d worked back from Tim’s 67 and assumed 1965, but if born in 1949, Corbyn would have been in the 1967/8, so the percentage is slightly higher 18%(?) – Arnald made the error of rewriting my 17 as 16. Even in 1965 more than 25% stayed until age 16 though.

    None of this alters my back of the envelope calculations – Corbyn is not that bright, but he could have applied to become a teacher.

  18. Bloke in North Dorset

    Jason,

    At the comprehensive school I did my last 2 years in those who were in the lower academic streams and not destined for O Levels spent most of their time in the woodwork or metalwork rooms. There was also a fully equipped garage where they could strip cars down.

    These of us in higher academic streams who hated school and were disruptive were left to our own devices, I don’t think I went more than a few times in my last 6 months and nobody bothered. None of this fining parents for truancy then.

  19. “Why are you lying about me lying?”

    In the days when grammar was taught you’d have been encouraged to write “Why are you lying about my lying?”. Perhaps old Corbyn knows that.

    Tell me, if he was a Labour councillor in London long ago, will he have played a part in covering up/encouraging child molesters, or was that job reserved for left-wing women?

  20. Corbyn went to Adams Grammar, same as my brother (albeit 30 years earlier).

    If you come out of there with only two Es, you really are thick – it’s an exceptionally good school.

  21. So his qualifications were good enough to become an MP. Good enough to become leader of his party.
    Does all that not count?

  22. What Ken said. There is no such thing as a degree in Mech Eng, Elec Eng or any of the other specialisations, which is why you won’t find it on a list for a course it does not offer – you read Engineering Science, within the framework of which you specialise.

    Any anyway, Oxford is really a research university rather than a teaching university. Most of the lecturers were sh1t. Absolute geniuses in their fields, but sh1t teachers, to the degree that I chose specialisation options more on who would be teaching than what the subject was, so I could choose the few good ones amongst them (and this was reflected exactly in the marks I got for each module in the final exams). The best ones were those who were not geniuses and had struggled with the material themselves at undergrad level – they knew what it took for them to understand it and applied this to their teaching. They also had empathy for the undergrads, which many didn’t (lecturing / teaching undergrads is the quid pro quo for working on your research in that kind of environment, and many treat it as a distracting chore).

    To a large degree it’s much more old-fashioned than Cambs, let alone Imperial – you are basically expected to teach yourself most of the material after having been told/shown the thing once in a lecture.

  23. Funnily enough, he was able to acquire (and keep) the attitude of a lefty student without ever actually being a student.

  24. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    If you come out of there with only two Es, you really are thick – it’s an exceptionally good school.

    And yet he has won EIGHT consecutive Parliamentary elections AND seized control of the Labour party in the face of unremitting media and establishment hostility. He’s obviously got some kind of political nous.

  25. “And yet he has won EIGHT consecutive Parliamentary elections AND seized control of the Labour party in the face of unremitting media and establishment hostility. He’s obviously got some kind of political nous.”

    Or a constituency where a pork chop with a red rosetteon it will win in a landslide….

  26. It’s OK, WP, abba has the moral high ground because he’s a graduate. Funny, I don’t see my brother or my sister-in-law occupying a “moral high ground” even though they’ve achieved a D Phil (Oxon/York) and Professorship respectively.

  27. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    @abacab

    Corbyn’s majority is larger now than it was in the great landslide of 1997. His personal popularity in his own constituency is higher than his party’s. You have also elided his masterminding of the brilliant social media campaign (unprecendented in English politics) which secured his resounding leadership victory.

    He’s also managed to avoid sticking his cock in a dead pig’s mouth a la Cameron, or being photographed taking cocaine with prostitutes like Osborne, so again you have to credit him with some political nous. It’s a low bar, I know.

  28. WP:Horseshit. Corbo is where he is because of circumstance . He has sat there talking socialist bollocks for 40 years and finally the long march of leftist scum has caught him up as a symbol of their evil and stupidity. The antics of Millimong/leftist media influence/ the rising nuttiness of leftists in whichever shitholes they hold sway–unis/council scum etc –those are the reasons why he got in.

    It doesn’t matter if he is formally thick or not he , like all leftist scum, has evil animal cunning. The in-born guile of the liar, deceiver and psychopath.

    Arniesnob: What are your poxy relatives qualified in? Some socialist bullshit perhaps? Ipsissimus of sociology mayhap.

  29. WP: More Horseshit.

    No brilliant campaign is needed to get in for ZaNu in Red-Rag-on-a-Donkeyland. Most of the “My Dad voted Labour” chumps are too thick to even think at all about their vote. “They know not what they do” was never a more apt quote.

    Corb prob never heard of social media. This was the final throw of hard left scum for power. The crapola of socialism gets more disgraced by the day and its crimes can no longer be hidden. Only a rump of old fools (who vote as if Harold Wilson was still alive) and young, dumb and mostly middle class pukes are still onside with ZaNu. People were sick of the Bliar gang and Corby is the vile morons last throw at their old evil game.

  30. @ abacab
    For Professor Coulson’s lectures there were undergraduates sitting on the steps each side of the lecture theatre because there weren’t enough seats. The large majority of my lecturers were good.

  31. @ Arnald
    abacab has the moral high ground in your argument because you have falsely called him a liar – in a post where you make a separate factual mis-statement. Simples!

  32. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    Mr Ecks – I salute your reliably consistent deranged worldview. Please tell me you actually speak like that in real life?

  33. abacab

    I know you have a thing against non-STEM subjects, but the truth is that the competition to study PPE at Oxford is a lot higher than that for Engineering: you’re not going to get in to read it if you’re thick.

    CallMeDave was also described by Vernon Bogdanor (his tutor and no Tory) as the brightest student he’d had. And, for a personal anecdote, his brother Alex, the QC, whom I meet occasionally is the brightest man I’ve ever met and Dave is supposed to be the brain in the family. Trust me, Dave has a brain.

  34. john77

    abba’s “moral high ground” was based on him/her having a degree and Corbyn getting 2 Es in the mid-sixties.

    I called him/her a liar because, since he/she(‘s) in that top 1% (as measured by academic qualifications), he/she would have known that there is no real comparison to be able to state as fact that Corbyn is thick due to getting 2 Es. Therefore stating to Es as proof is a lie.

    Afterwards I was persuaded that abba didn’t know anything about the history of A levels and so downgraded my insult to thick-con 5.

    Hope that helps!

  35. Eggs

    “What are your poxy relatives qualified in? Some socialist bullshit perhaps? Ipsissimus of sociology mayhap.”

    The socialist bullshit of pest and disease management wrt farming in particular, and a Professor in Cell Biology.

    You fuckwit, as ever.#

    WP

    Mr Eggs speaks like that in real life to himself, alone in a bunker deep in the wilderness, holed up waiting for the aliens, in a revolution he’s probably called the Arse-Probe Spring Collection.

    Right on!

  36. “40 years ago he was already a councillor”

    So, at least forty years of not having a proper job?

    Explains a few things, doesn’t it.

  37. An academic qualification is an assessment by academics that one belongs among their number.
    Says everything, as far as I’m concerned.
    A long as they keep it to themselves & don’t infect anyone else.

  38. @ Arnald
    No, abacab claimed “moral high ground” for laughing at CallmeDave on the grounds of his postrgraduate degree compared to CallmeDave’s PPE.
    In your spat with him the situation is as I stated. You falsely called him a liar in a post containing what has since been demonstrated as a misstatement of fact.
    it may be that your definition of “thick” does not include someone who gets two Es at ‘A’ level despite having Corbyn’s advantages in life (middle-class parents including a teacher, fee-paying preparatory aiming not at public school but at getting pupils into the local grammar school, top-class grammar school), but as someone with a second degree from Oxford and hence well into the top 0.5% (Oxbridge takes less than 1% for undergraduate degrees), abacab’s definition of thick probably includes quite a few with “degrees” from “new universities”.
    My comment stands.

  39. Arnald: “The socialist bullshit of pest and disease management wrt farming in particular, and a Professor in Cell Biology.”

    Worth a punt, it being quite possible that you got your mental poisons from being part of a family-clan of socialist scumbags who would study some political-type bullshit. You must be the black sheep-shagger of otherwise respectable folk and have achieved your vile personality and views all on your own. Inverse entrepreneurship so to speak.That assumes of course that you are telling the truth –never a wise assumption when dealing with leftists.Since you are still here they can’t be much good at pest and disease management.

    As for bunker living it is too expensive under the cash-printing rule of BluLabour.

    From memory Arnie you seem to have a thing about anal probing. This is far from the first time you have referred to same. Is that it? Were you abducted by aliens? Is that what messed you up?. Or maybe you shouldn’t have gone on that 6th form trip to North Korea.

    WP: It is obvious that you ( and the Sage of Gurn-sea above) being part of the ranks of socialist evil don’t care to be called out as what you are. Sure–you prob don’t dream of mass-murder or feeding people into furnaces an inch at a time like others of your brethren. But you skate on the very thin ice of a system and a set of beliefs that have done all that and much worse and you are too dumb or too rotten to look into the depths of the poison you peddle.

    Corbyn is shite regardless of his IQ. He is a brazen admirer of socialist tyranny and murder, from soviet mass butchers to Venezuelan thieves and wasters. He is an anti-semite and bum chums with every islamist death group going. He would return not only the fatuous waste and failure of nationalised industries but also sign up to every anti-human, anti-science, anti-production pile of eco-freak horse-shit he could find. He would commit every act of treason possible from handing over the Falklands and Gibraltar to returning the Elgin Marbles. Anything to hurt this country in the name of socialist evil. Also being a well-off middle-class leftist prick, like all his kind he hates the white working class and would accelerate the already existing programme to make the British a despised minority in what used to be their own land. His first act on getting the job was to call for exactly that at some bullshit leftist gathering. He surrounds himself with tinpot dictatorial vermin who–amongst many other examples–think it is their business to use the power of the scummy state to stop people eating meat. And of course he has Stalinist toe-rag Seamus Milne trying to help him peddle the lies.

    That is what you are defending. That is the “real world” you and the Probe of Gurn-Sea live in.

    I could add “Go fuck yourselves” but I wouldn’t want anyone to think I was impolite.

    Recausant: If Camoron is the brightest man you know you need to get out a LOT more.

    If he does have a brain , as you aver then the greater is the disgrace of the useless pseudo-socialist twat. And the gang of crass, arrogant, dictatorial ragpicking mendicants he calls a cabinet.

  40. Jeremy Corbyn?
    His constituency was right on my doorstep. So I’ve heard quite a lot about Jeremy Corbyn, over the years. Little of it favorable. But none of it indicated he was thick. Quite the opposite, regrettably. He’s scaled the ultimate heights of the Labour Party, hasn’t he? That’s a pretty severe culling process.
    Probably easier to achieve with the Tories, with all their social brownie points.

  41. @Arnald
    “…to state as fact that Corbyn is thick due to getting 2 Es. Therefore stating to Es as proof is a lie.”

    Isn’t that rather a difference of opinion, rather than a lie?

    If someone thinks having two Es at A level is proof that they are thick and you don’t think that, it isn’t that one of you is lying – just that your opinions differ.

    Unless you think you are the keeper of some holy truth?

    That is an infliction I’ve often seen among those on the left.

  42. @Arnald
    ” I don’t see my brother or my sister-in-law occupying a “moral high ground” even though they’ve achieved a D Phil (Oxon/York) and Professorship respectively.”

    Whilst a D Phil is earned, as we know a professorship is bestowed and these days handed out to all and sundry, thus devaluing it to the point where (sadly for those deserving of the title) it’s pretty much worthless.

    My sympathies to your sister-in-law: she has the same title as the Murphaloon.

  43. @John77

    It was a 4-year direct masters with no intervening batchelor’s, and hence undergrad. I post-date the BSc/MSc for engineering.

  44. Gawd blimey if Corbyn’s stupid where does that leave thicky Thatcher? She graduated during the war when the lads were off fighting,(there are no records of her helping the war effort whatsoever), and specialised in rote learning subjects like Chemistry, the thickest of the Sciences which has been described as “just recipes.” She had no idea about Economics like most of our elite who don’t believe that the banks create money in her case made worse by her campaign to increase house price inflation deliberately.

  45. @ abacab
    I stand corrected, young gentleperson. Changes are happening too fast for me to notice: I have barely absorbed the switch from BA/BSc in sciences to BSc/MSc and still think of a BSc as a second degree.
    So you are well into the top 1% but not necessarily well into the top 0.5% (though taking a direct Master’s might suggest that).

  46. @ DBC Reed
    You are so thick that you fail to realise that *men* fighting still leaves no 18-year-old girls allowed in the D-Day landing parties so the competition to get into women’s colleges at Oxford were unaffected. One in a thousand girls got places in Oxford or Cambridge – Hilda Roberts got a place in Somerville, generally reckoned to be the most intellectual of Oxford’s women’s colleges (Girton is the Cambridge equivalent). Alternatively you are just an offensive troll.

  47. It’s a shame, dearieme, that you were taught grammar by someone so ignorant of the subject. That old canard about the “possessive with gerund” might have worked with Fowler back in the 1920s but it should have been busted by now.

    There are sentences where enforcing that rule just sounds ….odd.

    “I don’t like you supplying me with gas,” sounds fine to me.”I don’t like your supplying me with gas” sounds strange. “I don’t like Gazprom’s supplying me with gas” sounds wrong.

    “We had a chat about the house’s being haunted” sounds plain weird while “We had a chat about the house being haunted” sounds like correct English.

  48. “in her case made worse by her campaign to increase house price inflation deliberately”

    Thatcher must have been thick then DBCR.

    The “real”, adjusted for earnings, house hardly moved at all in the Tory years.

  49. DBCR

    Mrs T worked as a research chemist for J Lyons working on ice cream emulsifiers. Even in your fairground-mirror world, that seems to suggest that she had a lot of intelligence and ability in her field. And Corbyn has just spent his life cosying up to thugs and working his passage through the nomenklatura – it takes animal cunning perhaps but I don’t accept it as real achievement.

  50. “Mrs T worked as a research chemist for J Lyons working on ice cream emulsifiers”

    Then got her economic theory from a battery chicken producer.

    Doesn’t make her intelligent at all.

  51. Bloke in North Dorset

    WP,
    “And yet he has won EIGHT consecutive Parliamentary elections AND seized control of the Labour party in the face of unremitting media and establishment hostility. He’s obviously got some kind of political nous.”

    But he didn’t actually do anything to seize control of the party, it was thrust upon him as the saying goes.

    Once he had been invited to the party by the idiots who thought he couldn’t possible win circumstances took over and he didn’t really have to do much. In fact the less he did the more his chances of becoming party leader improved.

    For the record I don’t think he’s stupid, I don’t think he’s bright though.

  52. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Arnald
    October 28, 2015 at 5:52 pm

    “Mrs T worked as a research chemist for J Lyons working on ice cream emulsifiers”

    Then got her economic theory from a battery chicken producer.

    Doesn’t make her intelligent at all.”

    Really? You think that’s where she got her economics and politics from do you?

    By all means disagree with her policies and politics but don’t be so stupid as to think she wasn’t well read.

    MT’s first encounter with Hayek came when he published The Road to Serfdom in 1944. She read it as an undergraduate at Oxford, where it became part of her enduring outlook. In fact one can argue that few books influenced her more deeply at any point in her life. Partly, perhaps, that is the luck of timing: it was published when she was 18, so that at a formative period she found herself exposed to one of the most effective and courageous political works ever written, a head-on assault against socialism, the fashionable cause of the day, an armed doctrine at the height of its power. This was the time when Stalin, grotesquely, was known as “Uncle Joe”, Soviet heroism against the Nazis a thing of legend and the case for ‘planning’ and government action of all kinds unanswerable, or at least unanswered. Such a state of affairs naturally left Conservatives demoralised and defensive, deeply in need of powerful intellectual support and all the more delighted to find it.
    http://www.margaretthatcher.org/archive/Hayek.asp

  53. “Since you are still here they can’t be much good at pest and disease management.”

    Neat work, ecksy. Very droll.

  54. @ Arnald
    Your brother getting into Oxford didn’t make him intelligent at all if MT getting a place when only one-seventh of the places were for women didn’t mean she was highly intelligent. That was a hard as getting an Exhibition for a man.

  55. I have two degrees, and my wife has three. The more degrees one has, the less one values them. Academic intelligence is just one form of intelligence, which takes many forms — musical, mathematical, practical, social, analytical, verbal etc. Corbyn is stupid — not because of his academic performance, but because he rigidly holds to beliefs that have been comprehensively refuted.

  56. Not that well read. From the same source:

    But by Hayekian standards she did not stand out: very probably if she had, she would never have become leader of the Conservative Party. And Hayek himself largely fell out of discussion in Britain, remembered for The Road to Serfdom but little more, greatly to his distress. Like many others who had been influenced by the earlier book, it is very doubtful MT read his great work, The Constitution of Liberty, when it appeared in 1960. Indeed even Keith Joseph, a hard-reading fellow of All Souls, passed it over

    MT was not in plain fact a Hayekian, and certainly never a slavish follower of any thinker

    Her real drivers, though, were guys like this: Anthony Fisher and Ralph Harris, of the think tanks IEA. and CPS.

    Discussing the IEA’s increasing influence under the Tories in the 1980s in relation to the “advent of Thatcherism” and promotion of privatisation, Dieter Plehwe, a Research Fellow at the WZB Berlin Social Science Center, has written that

    The arguably most influential think tank in British history… benefited from the close alignment of IEA’s neoliberal agenda with corporate interests and the priorities of the Thatcher government.

    There’s that neoliberal word.

  57. Thank you to one & all. I’ve had gut rot most of the day and working my way through this thread (at a leisurely pace) has cheered me up considerably. Truly a master class in blog commenting.

    Ps: Theophrstus beat me to it in identifying the best comeback.

  58. @ Arnald
    “neoliberal” is a catch-all insult for tendy lefties (and Murphy who wants to be trendy, in regards to which his being fat, middle-aged and an accountant are each major handicaps). If the best you can muster is a “social scientist”, who understands neither politics nor economics in a foreign country. why not give up?
    Wikipedia, from which you appear to have taken your quote, says the IEA was founded in 1978, over 30 years after Mrs Thatcher read Hayek but the IEA says it was founded in 1955. Arthur Seldon, personally, rather than as part of the IEA, was influential in discussing policy in the late 1970s. Marr and Dieter Plehwe are presumably too young to remember that but I am not.

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  60. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Well, I’ve got two degrees in STEM subjects, one of ’em from Imperial, I’ve read The Road to Serfdom and The Constitution of Liberty (and The Fatal Conceit), and I basically agree with Ecks. It’s immaterial whether Corbyn is bright or dim. He is a supporter and enabler of evil and should be judged by that criterion alone.

  61. “Corbyn is stupid — not because of his academic performance, but because he rigidly holds to beliefs that have been comprehensively refuted.”

    You don’t know, Theophrastus, what beliefs Corbyn holds. You only know what beliefs he espouses. They’ve kept him from the chore of menial employment for most of his life & a long time picking up an MP’s gelt. Fat city in the Corbyn household, these days. Don’t know about you, but I’d be a firm believer in fairies for that money.

  62. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    @ Bloke In North Dorset
    But he didn’t actually do anything to seize control of the party, it was thrust upon him as the saying goes… Once he had been invited to the party by the idiots who thought he couldn’t possible win circumstances took over and he didn’t really have to do much. In fact the less he did the more his chances of becoming party leader improved…. For the record I don’t think he’s stupid, I don’t think he’s bright though.

    Corbyn worked incredibly hard to energise the Labour support. He addressed over a hundred public meetings during the leadership election in addition to the party hustings. At one point he was doing three a day, and at some he spoke twice, addressing the crowds outside who couldn’t get in to the main event. For a man of 66 that’s fairly impressive.

    I saw him speak and he came across as a benevolent headmaster. Nothing he said was new and he’s not a great orator, but I was still impressed with his plain-speaking, and his obvious humility and warmth.

    Is he too dim to be PM though? Intelligence is over-rated. The fact is some very clever people hold some very stupid or nasty views, on all sides of the political divide. It’s our tragedy that being really clever does not stop you being a cunt.

  63. I hope the temporary grammatical excursus did not spoil the party. However we did have the DBCR drunken crash through the door after too many special brews. TBH, most of the time, that is the condition in which I post.

  64. I find it interesting that he seems to have fallen between two stools. He was neither aspirational working class, nor trust-funded lotus eater. His parents had money, they were degree educated, successful in their STEM based careers, and they were in a position to buy a seven bedroom manor house to raise their brood in and send them to fee-paying schools.
    Maybe he’s marginally autistic?

  65. Then got her economic theory from a battery chicken producer.

    Doesn’t make her intelligent at all.

    no, it doesn’t, but she was.

    Similarly, corbin’s 2 es don’t make him a dimbo, and he’s not.

    Maggie was well sharp, corbin less so.

  66. WP: “It’s our tragedy that being really clever does not stop you being a cunt.”

    Corbyn is a cunt with a nice line in false bonhomie. As for talking shite at leftist meetings –that is what the twat has lived for. Surprised he only attended 100 bullshit-fests. So many baths in the sweaty soup of socialist adulation has probably made his life whatever happens next.

  67. BiS

    “I’d be a firm believer in fairies for that money.”

    But could you pretend to be a fanatical believer in fairies for 40-odd years and retain the support of the Fairy Faction? Probably not.

    Occam’s Razor applies here. The simplest explanation is that the Corb sincerely believes the bilge he espouses.

  68. Looking at the facts : Thatcher went up to Oxford because the first choice dropped out (there was a war on ,not that Thickjobs noticed);she got a Second and her distinguished career in food research at Lyons consisted of getting a type of Mr Whippy ice cream to the right level of thickness.She was the thick ice cream person. Her superior education was so all-round (not)that the personnel geezer at ICI felt she could not work in their huge establishment because she was”headstrong ,obstinate and dangerously self opinionated .” Characteristics she retained till the more urbane Tory gents or cabinet “wets”found they couldn’t stand her any more and gave her the shove, though she had won them elections reliably (or rather the Americans had got her out of the ultimate fine mess of the Falklands with no doubt long strings attached).Her mental rigidity over the poll tax reform whereby she was unable to see why a duke should be taxed more than a dustman may have been a prelude to her later madness.
    Modern Tories have no appreciable intelligence compared with the likes of Harold Macmillan and Enoch Powell who were properly educated in the classics ,though MacMillan was frequently absent from school then saw it as his duty to fight in WW1 instead of finishing his degree.
    After WW2 there was a long Two Cultures Debate whereby scientists like CP Snow insisted they were just as fitted for government and decision making involving people as the Arts educated.
    Thatcher settled this argument once and for all: she showed that scientists were dangerously worse than useless by reason of being overspecialised to the point of autism. She was also the first woman in power and was so hopelessly unempathetic that we are not likely to have another woman in power for a hundred years.(And BTW she also destroyed the Post-war British state based on a mixed economy.)

  69. DBCR, that is by far the funniest compilation of non sequiturs, prejudices and general stupidity that I have seen from you. I did not think you capable of producing anything more risible than some of your recent random word salads but I was mistaken.

  70. sackcloth and ashes

    ‘And yet [Corbyn] has won EIGHT consecutive Parliamentary elections AND seized control of the Labour party in the face of unremitting media and establishment hostility. He’s obviously got some kind of political nous’.

    On the first point, Islington North is about as safe a Labour seat as you can get. It’s a little bit like congratulating a Tory for holding Beaconsfield or Henley.

    On the second, given the shit state that Labour got into under Miliband I’m not sure that winning control over the party right now is something to proclaim as a major victory. The current leader is after all on a course to make his predecessor look like Clement Attlee.

    ‘He’s also managed to avoid sticking his cock in a dead pig’s mouth a la Cameron, or being photographed taking cocaine with prostitutes like Osborne, so again you have to credit him with some political nous’.

    Jezza has definitely not fucked any swine. He has, however, frequently shared platforms at political meetings with them.

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