Jeebus but Valenti is stupid

There are things in life we shouldn’t have to be taught, things that are just common sense: fire is hot, water is wet, hurting people is bad.

These are all things which have to be learnt of course. Learnt anew by each and every human being as they grow.

22 thoughts on “Jeebus but Valenti is stupid”

  1. She’s not even using ‘common sense’ correctly. She’s got two empirical facts and one moral standpoint there.

    Common sense would be not to stick your hand in a fire, wash up your phone, or expect most people to like you of you hurt them.

  2. JuliaM>

    Just the kind of comment we’ve come to expect from you loony-left racists. Of course it’s bad, just not necessarily worse than the alternative.

    NeilsR>

    ‘Hurting people is bad’ isn’t even a moral standpoint. It’s simply a tautology. Hurting people means doing bad things to them; doing bad things to someone means hurting them.

  3. > ‘Hurting people is bad’ isn’t even a moral standpoint. It’s simply a tautology. Hurting people means doing bad things to them; doing bad things to someone means hurting them.

    No, the moral standpoint comes in when considering whose point of view matters. “Hurting people is bad for the people you’re hurting” is a tautology. “Hurting people is bad, full stop” is a moral claim.

  4. Dave: “Just the kind of comment we’ve come to expect from you loony-left racists.”

    Good that you’ve got a world of your own Dave. Just hope you are happy there.

  5. Hurting people means doing bad things to them

    Except:

    1) When a wrestler is getting his opponent to submit.
    2) A kinky girl is spanking her BF who is into a bit of S&M.
    3) When a gym instructor is pushing his customer as far as possible.
    4) When a dentist is drilling a tooth.

    And a million other ways which appear to be beyond the imagination of the dimmer members of our population.

  6. And there was me thinking “hurting people” meant “causing pain to people”, while “doing bad things to people” was rather more like “harming people”. Which neatly resolves the issue about how doctors and dentists; gym instructors; wrestlers; and people into *splutter* and *ahem* are (usually) hurting but not harming. And, of course, how it is also possible to harm without hurting.

  7. in the context of the article, the hurt is rape in colleges. Given the significant shift in legal definitions, and the reversal of the principle, in US colleges, of the presumption of innocence, it is not surprising students need to do minefield-clearance classes.

  8. >‘Hurting people is bad’ isn’t even a moral standpoint. It’s simply a tautology. Hurting people means doing bad things to them; doing bad things to someone means hurting them.

    ‘Hurting people is bad’ may be obvious, and it may be a near-tautology, but isn’t an actual tautology.

  9. Philip Walker is correct – pain is an essential warning mechanism and it is due to their inability to feel pain that leprosy sufferers end up crippled. The inability to distinguish between “hurt” and “harm” is circumstantial evidence for Tim’s claim that Ms Valenti is stupid.

  10. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I’d say Philip Walker’s definition is dispositive evidence that Valenti is stupid, given that it took me about 800 ms to make the same distinction, click the add comment link and see he’d already made it. It’s such an elementary* distinction that it takes someone of the deeply narcissistic frame of mind exhibited by Valenti to cock it up. She really is an embarrassment.

    * elementary in the sense of practically axiomatic, not in the sense of trivial.

  11. @ BiCR
    Given the standard innumeracy and grammatical failures of the Grauniad, one cannot be certain that “hurting” is not a proof-reader’s miscorrection of “harting” or “hurming”, which is why I said “circumstantial”.

  12. @ JuliaM
    There *are* people who regard us as left-wing – there was a female on another website who politely attacked me for wanting benefits to be available for people looking for full-time jobs and unable to find them so working in low-paid part-time jobs. She’s younger than me but feels entitled to have the central heating on all day due to her age (I switch it off when I am alone in the house). People like Leona Helmsley with a feeling of entitlement because she married a rich man so she should have everything she wants.

  13. This thread reads like the sort of transcript I’d expect from Philosophy 101 class taught at whatever shitty university Richard Murphy is at.

    Philosophy, like poetry, is best when unsaid and unread.

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