So, quotas in films now

Talking is fine. But we’ve done talking. When it comes to women on film, to showing girls that they are equal, that they can be superheroes and prime ministers, the diversity campaigns to get women into filmmaking are important, but they’re equivalent to pulling the curtain across the orchestra stage. Their power is limited. The answer is, unfashionably, quotas in the softer areas of our lives. Crowd-scene quotas. Women-shown-as-having-jobs quotas. Until our brains have righted themselves, perhaps this is the way the industry must muffle our heels and force a kind of change.

Gonna make a movie about a men’s jail interesting innit?

Or a war movie.

Twats.

29 thoughts on “So, quotas in films now”

  1. comes to women on film, to showing girls that they are equal, that they can be superheroes and prime ministers

    Didn’t Maggie show women can be Prime Ministers without a whole industry of equality agitation? Or mustn’t we mention her?

  2. “to showing girls that… they can be … prime ministers”: there’s me thinking that Tory Scum had done that already.

  3. Because TV is where women get their drama. Turn on your TV and look at how much is made for women: Hospital dramas, soap operas, costume dramas. Hollywood stopped making movies like Whatever Happened to Baby Jane and All About Eve because women won’t turn up to them.

    And if you want to make a film, pick up a fucking £200 handycam and make a film. Edit it on a PC with £30 of software. People like Kevin Smith and Robert Rodriguez had to buy film stock and use editing machines and they made films from their own pockets. If I could get a screenplay together that’s what I’d do.

  4. Half of the British film industry output is shit cockney gangster films. An 8 stone pretty girl threatening to nail someone’s ears to the floor won’t have quite the same effect, I fear.

    But anyway, let’s start with Guardian columnists. Most appear to be women. Let’s even that up.

  5. ” An 8 stone pretty girl threatening to nail someone’s ears to the floor won’t have quite the same effect, I fear.”

    Noomi Rapace? Except Salander wouldn’t just threaten it.

  6. There already seems to be a women-shown-as-having-jobs quota, and it’s completely wrong. Yes the CIA has x% women, but most of them are doing desk work, not swanning around the Middle East alone pretending to be travelling on business. Yes the police force as an organisation has x% women, but not so many of them are front-line officers, despite what the TV shows tell us. Most women don’t want jobs with lots of travel, long anti-social hours*, and risk of death: it’s that whole child-rearing thing.

    (* Except nursing: women inexplicably flock to that job despite the hours.)

  7. My guess would be that straight white men are already under-represented at the Beeb, and the HR policies that created the imbalance are still in place.

  8. >The answer is, unfashionably, quotas in the softer areas of our lives. Crowd-scene quotas. Women-shown-as-having-jobs quotas. Until our brains have righted themselves, perhaps this is the way the industry must muffle our heels and force a kind of change.

    Doesn’t take long before the jackboots are put on, does it?

  9. Andrew M:

    I think the nursing thing undermines your argument, but at the same time proposes a new more effective one: the hours and conditions of the job are less relevant than whether there’s a history of a profession or role being done by ladies.

    I’m going to deliberately exclude employment edge cases (mining, bin men) on socio economic grounds – many families are better off with mum staying home to look after kids in a low employment area or there’s no history of employment for mums in certain social groups, and point out that women tend to select the fields where other women are likely to work.

    Is it the case that (largely) women tend to prefer traditionally female jobs, and that women’s reach out into non traditional female roles is a reflection of gradual change in societal norms, rather than men somehow stopping them from doing what they really want?

  10. I suggest they also look at applying quotas to novels. Every novel that is to be published must be put through some governmental software first to determine whether it has the required number of female characters. This can also be extended to make sure it has the required number of ethnic characters as well, and lesbians, etc.

    In time the software will be able to rewrite the novel to make it “more suitable” for publication.

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    “rather than men somehow stopping them from doing what they really want?”

    I remember that it was men, specifically trade union leaders at places like the RMT for example, who objected to women becoming train drivers. There were also objections from those same enlightened lefties to women entering other “men’s” trades.

  12. I remember that it was men, specifically trade union leaders at places like the RMT for example, who objected to women becoming train drivers.

    No ASLEF and that more in steam than diesel and electric days, fully supported by the management. The NUR ( predecessor of the RMT ), being an industrial rather than a craft union, had a somewhat better record in this area. Interestingly even in these days of women in every conceivable man’s role there are far fewer in certain railway grades, such as signalling, than in their more traditional places such as booking offices. It seems that women have definite preferences in these matters that don’t always tally with those that the sisters think they should have. Admin is of course pretty much an all female zone, especially HR.

  13. Hollywood has been changing scripts to include women (presumably to give something for women to watch) for years. I remember being very disappointed as a teenager that one of the more interesting characters from the book of The Guns of Navarone had been replaced in the film by a rather pathetic woman.

  14. “A vast auditorium of filmmakers, every seat filled, maybe 1% with male arses.”

    “Male arses”! What an interesting choice of term. It’s one thing pushing for womens’ rights, quite another simply to dislike men.

  15. Nursing is also more of a “soft skills” job. I’d say that in software development that business analysts probably slightly err towards being more female than male. Women are just generally better at extracting lots of information out of people than men are.

  16. There is one fair point buried in this: crowd scenes and street scenes in film tend to be 70% male; crowds in real life are 50% female. Not enough jobs for middle-aged female extras is a real thing.

    Funnily enough, when you point this out to most filmmakers (ie, not Michael Bay) they go and do something about it, without the need for externally enforced quotas.

  17. The Stigler

    “Because TV is where women get their drama.”

    Many of them rely on their own homemade version, though. Just try forgetting to put the nins out…

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    Oh joy. I guess we have more of this sort of thing to look forward to:

    Ghostbusters (2016)
    Main article: Ghostbusters (2016 film)

    In August 2014, it was reported that Paul Feig was in talks to direct a third film in the franchise, featuring women in the lead roles.[47] The main cast members were announced as Kristen Wiig, Melissa McCarthy, Leslie Jones and Kate McKinnon in January 2015 and Chris Hemsworth was cast as a male receptionist in June 2015.

    Compare with this:

    GhostCorps (TBA)

    In March 2015, Deadline revealed that an all-male Ghostbusters film is in the works from Sony’s new label Ghost Corps with Channing Tatum;[53] Reid Carolin and Peter Kiernan producing, Drew Pearce writing and Joe & Anthony Russo directing.[54][55]

    Which do you think is going to be more popular? It will be an excellent test.

    But women are just jealous because of what other minorities have got. As is well known, all police chiefs in America are Black. I suspect there are more Black brain surgeons on TV than exist in real life. Even in the original Death Wish movie, I don’t think Charles Bronson ever got to shoot a non-White person. I don’t remember. But even then people were too scared to be honest about Black crime.

    So the Left’s war on reality continues. No doubt all future films about D-Day will require Lord Lovat, when he lead the Special Service Brigade on shore, to be accompanied by a female piper and a gender-mixed group of soldiers. Just as every Islamist terrorist turns out to be “really” a WASP.

  19. Richard Gadsden,

    Depends which crowd. A crowd of nurses protesting “austerity” will be largely female; an angry mob of ethnically diverse teenagers rioting in Tottenham will be overwhelmingly male.

  20. @ Tim Newman
    My wife gets annoyed when I get annoyed because the film is so unlike the book: I just cannot imagine replacing a character from “The Guns of Navarone” by a female so I shall Iavoiod watching any film of it.

  21. So “Snow White and the Seven Dwarves” would be ruined by this.

    However, the SJW would shoot themselves in the foot over Brokeback Mountain, with one of the two main characters having to be a woman and hence the point of the film inadvertently becomes a heterosexual relationship. Oops.

  22. So Much For Subtlety

    Rob – “So “Snow White and the Seven Dwarves” would be ruined by this.”

    What wouldn’t be? Disney has already ruined all its films because these days the princess always saves the prince. It is just moving this idiocy from children’s films to grown up ones.

    “However, the SJW would shoot themselves in the foot over Brokeback Mountain, with one of the two main characters having to be a woman and hence the point of the film inadvertently becomes a heterosexual relationship. Oops.”

    Unless they cast two women. Then it might be interesting. Artistically speaking of course. I am not the sort of person who enjoys watching gorgeous young women getting it on among the beautiful Rocky mountains. Honest I am not.

    On the other hand, by the time they get around to a remake, the SJWs will have moved on and they will be demanding one of them is a sheep.

  23. On the other hand, by the time they get around to a remake, the SJWs will have moved on and they will be demanding one of them is a sheep.

    I thought it one of the most sexually-charged, stimulating films ever made. I mean, did you see all those sheep on the hillsides? No wonder the guys got horny!

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