Equal opportunity feminism

What is certain is that simply decanting women from a not-fit-for-purpose Holloway up the road to leafier Surrey will not do enough to reduce the needless use of imprisonment for women. Do we really need women’s prisons on this scale at all? Small custodial units could be developed for the few women who have committed serious and violent offences and the sum raised from the sale of the prison could be invested in community sentences and women’s centres – not just funnelled down the prison building drain.

Hmm. I would file this one away with the clamour we hear for women to be allowed to do the dirty and dangerous jobs like lumberjack and trawlerman. You know, those ones where there are no barriers and also near no applicants?

Equality in nice things, not so much in nasty. Don’t jail women like we do men but it’s clear and obvious that there should be more women doing lovely things like being very well paid to play with code…..

16 thoughts on “Equal opportunity feminism”

  1. “Holloway is not full of happy, healthy women. Half of those there have suffered domestic violence, and one in three has experienced sexual abuse. Three in ten have been in local authority care. Half of women in prison suffer from anxiety and depression and a quarter report symptoms indicative of psychosis—compared with 4 per cent of the general population.
    Nearly half of women who are imprisoned will already have attempted suicide. Women, who make up only 5 per cent of the prison population, account for a quarter of the incidents of self harm in custody.”
    So why isn’t she campaigning for new residential closed mental health units for these unfortunates before they commit crimes? You know like we used to.

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    Don’t jail women like we do men but it’s clear and obvious that there should be more women doing lovely things like being very well paid to play with code…..

    Play is the right verb. There is not the slightest effort to get women to actually code. You know, write programs. That remains the domain of the pimply teenage male nerd. Who these feminists tend to loathe with a passion.

    What they want is a slice of the profits without contributing anything but attitude.

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    This would give women who have offended their first real opportunity to beat drugs, drink, mental illness and crime, and take responsibility for their lives, and those of their children. Most will take it.

    So the Tellie is determined not just to out-Daily-Mail the Daily Mail, it wants to out-Guardian the Guardian? How does she know this bullsh!t claim? Women have had every opportunity to take responsibility for their lives. These have said no thanks, they would rather the booze and the drugs.

  4. “…the few women who have committed serious and violent offences…”

    ‘Few’..? In comparison, maybe, but that percentage seems to be growing all the time.

  5. “Holloway is not full of happy, healthy women.”

    No, really?

    ” Half of those there have suffered domestic violence,”

    So they claim

    “and one in three has experienced sexual abuse.”

    So they claim.

    “Three in ten have been in local authority care. ”

    Probably where they were subject to violence and sexual abuse and learned the rudiments of criminality. Your tax money at work for you.

    “Half of women in prison suffer from anxiety and depression ”

    The point of jail is that being in there is a form of suffering to punish you for your wrongdoing. Otherwise we should turn the places over to Billy Butlins.

    “and a quarter report symptoms indicative of psychosis—compared with 4 per cent of the general population.”

    Troubled –and nasty–people are troubled–er don’t think about the nasty bit tho’–you might lose empathy for these sad unfortunates.

    ” Nearly half of women who are imprisoned will already have attempted suicide”

    Is that actually attempted (and with what degree of seriousness in the attempt) or just threatened to commit suicide? Women are 12 times more likely than men to threaten to commit suicide but men are 4 times more likely than women to actually do it.

    If they had succeeded of course they wouldn’t be in jail.

    ” Women, who make up only 5 per cent of the prison population, account for a quarter of the incidents of self harm in custody.”

    So what–for all we know they might still be “harming” themselves even if they weren’t inside. I’m bloody sure they would be harming others if they weren’t. In a more low-key fashion than male crims–maybe– but still a harm to ordinary people trying to gain some quiet enjoyment of their lives. Many of which are every bit as difficult as the crims have had but have been lived without the decision– that they matter more than other people–that most crims make.

  6. In our new inclusive world it seems an increasing proportion of our “female” prisoners are in possession of a meat and two veg…

  7. Johnnydub I believe the present colloquialism is transits or something.
    According to German news, their parliament building now has bathrooms for ‘trans or transitioning’. Where as over here its a right of passage to have used a transit as a bathroom.

  8. Men are twenty times more criminal than women? I doubt it. The reason so few women are in jail is probably because they have children.

  9. “Men are twenty times more criminal than women? I doubt it. The reason so few women are in jail is probably because they have children.”

    Known colloquially as the “pussy pass”.

  10. @smfs
    pimply teenage male nerd. Who these feminists tend to loathe with a passion.

    They don’t, they’re not interested in them, no interest at all, they are barely aware of the existence of nerds and certainly don’t have any feeling so strong as to be called ‘hate’ or any such.

    By and large, women spend very little time thinking or feeling about nerds.

  11. So Much For Subtlety

    johnny bonk – “They don’t, they’re not interested in them, no interest at all, they are barely aware of the existence of nerds and certainly don’t have any feeling so strong as to be called ‘hate’ or any such.”

    The two are hardly mutually exclusive. Women are focused on the successful and popular boys. But when a nerd passes into their view, they display disgust. I like this example of the genre:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427560/star-wars-joke-no-apology-katherine-timpf

    If only because the nerds make it so easy for her to justify her contempt and loathing

  12. I was listening to Law In Action on the way home this evening, and ended up shouting at the radio at the statement “women don’t get convicted for violent crimes”. What??? They get let off just because they’re women??? Disgusting!

    And it look all of the presenter’s prodding to eventually get the expert to change from “women offenders with children (should get special/lenient treatment)” to finally say “oh yes, and men if they are the primary caregiver”. Ok then, you should have just said “offenders who are the primary caregiver” rather than banging on about women offenders.

    But it still came over as “all women, plus men that happen to be a caregiver”.

  13. @ SMFS
    You do not see because you do not want to look. There *are* good female programmers – or at least there were whenI last looked. When I was a (non-pimply, non-nerd) teenage programmer, I was initially mentored by a young lady programmer and later by a seriously good Girton graduate who not only wrote programmes but then went the machione code produced by the translator to optimise it – way past the ability of the average nerd. Also big sister had a career as a Systems Analyst, progressing thereto from programming.
    Anecdata is only anecdata BUT it disproves “You know, write programs. That remains the domain of the pimply teenage male nerd.”

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