Not going to do other migrants much good, is it?

The mastermind of the Paris attacks was able to slip into Europe among Syrian migrants, it emerged last night, as police on the continent admitted they are unable to monitor thousands of suspected jihadists.
EU interior ministers will today move to tighten the continent’s borders to ensure that every single migrant is checked against a terror watchlist, after French authorities revealed that Abdelhamid Abaaoud was able to return from Syria via the migrant route of Greece.

19 thoughts on “Not going to do other migrants much good, is it?”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    So it will be Keystone Kops:

    What’s your name?

    Muhammed

    Do you have any ID?

    No.

    Well you’re not on the watch list. Off you go.

    I am reminded of nothing so much as the Imperial Storm troopers searching Mos Eisley – the door is locked so naturally they move on. Because criminals never lock their doors it seems.

    It is Security Theatre but Security Theatre designed to fail. They want to tell the rubes they are doing something. Even though they know they are not. The only solution is not a single refugee.

  2. This is even assuming the suspect queues up politely at the border crossing, instead of walking a mile away from the road and crossing through that small forest.

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    This falls in to the something must be done, this is something, so lets do it category. People will see more activity at border crossings and get a placebo effect sense of security.

    If the USA can’t secure the land border with Mexico there’s no chance of securing all the land borders in Europe.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in North Dorset

    If. But we don’t know as they are not even trying are they? Their ruling class are perfectly happy to destroy America’s long term future as long as they have cheap nannies and don’t have to employ any Blacks.

  5. It’s quite fun to contemplate which of the two great pillars of European integration – Schengen or the Euro – will collapse first.

    Just when you think the answer is clear, along comes another summit which does nothing substantive but nonetheless defers the inevitable collapse of the temporarily weaker structure.

    Niederlage Heil!

  6. Bloke in North Dorset

    SMFS,

    Of course to a large part their paying lip service to the problem, and its not just the Democrats and their nannies, the GOP’s business supporters in the area want the cheaper labour as well.

    And it will be just the same in Europe, not least because of the same problem in the US, the sheer cost of sealing such a long border.

  7. You can seal a border with a rudimentary barrier provided the authorities are prepared to shoot anyone approaching it and subject anyone caught on the wrong side of it to lengthy prison sentences. Short of this, it’s a waste of time.

  8. The U.S. government has removed bad consequences for being here illegally. Since there are good consequences to be had, we have over ten million here illegally.

    This is what Washington DC has done; it is not what the citizenry want. Donald Trump is successfully keying on that.

    Note that the border was not sealed for 200 years, with little consequence. The invasion can be stopped easily by making it unpleasant to be here. Instead, we give the invaders free stuff. Pretty stupid, eh?

    ‘EU interior ministers will today move to tighten the continent’s borders to ensure that every single migrant is checked against a terror watchlist’

    What, you can’t be a jihadi unless you get your name on a list?

    Government security tends to focus on preventing the previous attack.

  9. There are some fairly simple things that can be done:

    No benefits until you are in credit (medical costs included on tne debit)
    Family reunion: OK, back in the home country, here’s your ticket.
    No retur for asylum seekers who holiday in the home country
    Ethnic profiling at transport hubs.
    emplyoyer’s guarantee
    Indentured labour
    Preference for yazidis, christians and zoroastrians, others directed to coutries which so far have taken no refugees (KSA; UAE, etc)

    Yes, some of these are pretty nasty, but they will come.

  10. There are genuine refugees.
    We should welcome them.
    ISIS/ISIL does not want its slave labour/candidates for genocide to escape.
    By inducing us to set up barriers that prevent genuine refugees escaping which are not much use in blocking the one in a million (OK, 1 in 100,000) terrorists hiding among the flood of refugees they make it more difficult for the slave labour/candidates for genocide to escape.
    We need to improve the *quality* not quantity of checks.

  11. smoke and mirrors, Churchills answer to not knowing which were refugees and which were spies was to lock them all up. If we at at war with terror as we keep being told then wartime measures are called for surely.
    At the moment it’s all theatre, do more (quantity) so we look good, the idea of a more effective targeted approach (quality) is being ignored.

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    john77 – “There are genuine refugees. We should welcome them.”

    Don’t care and no we should not. The correct level of refugee intake is zero.

    “ISIS/ISIL does not want its slave labour/candidates for genocide to escape.”

    I doubt they give a damn actually.

    “We need to improve the *quality* not quantity of checks.”

    Like we need a unicorn-fart powered economy. It would be nice if it worked. But these attacks were the work of refugees and second generation immigrants. We can take genuine refugees and then get blown up by their children.

    The only acceptable check is one – are they British. If not, they don’t get to come. Simple. The only solution to Muslim terrorism is no Muslims.

  13. @ SMFS
    It is ridiculous to equate refugees with the Muslim extremists from whom they are fleeing.
    There have been Christians in Syria for over 1900 years and there wrere approaching 2 million of them before ISIL launched. ISIL have a policy of beheading Christians (and Yazidis) including children. so all Christians from areas infiltrated by ISIL are either refugees or dead.
    “The correct level of refugee intake is zero.” I am sure people like you said that 80 years ago: they were wrong then and you are wrong now.

  14. Refugees from Syria have no right to Europe or the U.S. They get immediate sanctuary in Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, or Cyprus. Anything beyond is bullshit.

    “The correct level of refugee intake is zero.” Tis true in U.S. and GB. Double ought zero. Our governments are failing in their prime directive.

  15. So Much For Subtlety

    john77 – “It is ridiculous to equate refugees with the Muslim extremists from whom they are fleeing.”

    There is not a lot of evidence that people are fleeing ISIS actually. We seem to be getting a lot of Sunnis – the very people who support ISIS.

    But I am not equating them. I am simply pointing out the obvious truth – the world is full of people who hate us. They may be our allies today. But they will go back to hating us tomorrow.

    “There have been Christians in Syria for over 1900 years and there wrere approaching 2 million of them before ISIL launched.”

    And so the solution is to let them all into the West so that there are none left?

    “I am sure people like you said that 80 years ago: they were wrong then and you are wrong now.”

    We could have done without Miliband’s father. We were mildly wrong 80 years ago. Einstein? Sure. Zygmunt Bauman? No.

  16. @ SMFS
    David Cameron is proposing to admit a number of refugees from camps bordering Syria – not migrants in Greece and Italy, who come from various places – and there is ample evidence that these have fled atrocities (not *all* ISIS, some fled from Assad’s attacks). So you are wrong again.
    “And so the solution is to let them all into the West so that there are none left?” The question is “Since ISIL intends to kill all of them so there will be none left in Syria unless someone destroys ISIL first, do we let some into the west or do we condemn them all to death?”
    “We seem to be getting a lot of Sunnis” – we haven’t had a lot of Sunnis because we haven’t had a lot in total: only a handful so far under the Cameron plan. In the past five years less than 5,000: probably a majority of those were Sunni because in the earlier phase of Syria’s civil war most of the refugees were Sunni because Assad was attacking Sunni areas
    Everyone in Britain is descended from, immigrants (there are no pure-blood Neanderthals left), so anyone who argues for nil refugees needs to justify their presence.

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