Oh for fucks sake!

Hospices in the UK must meet the challenge of an ageing Muslim population by overcoming barriers that deter Britain’s largest faith minority from using their services, ensuring that language, cultural and religious needs are met.

The UK hospice network should see a significant increase in Muslim patients in coming years as a result of rising numbers of elderly Muslims combined with changes to traditional family structures, a new report says.

But only a handful of more than 200 adult and children’s hospices in the UK have Muslim patients, reflecting “a perception that hospices aren’t really for us”, said Sughra Ahmed, programmes manager in the centre for policy and public education at the Woolf Institute. The instituteproduced the report on behalf of Hospice UK and Together for Short Lives, a charity for children with life-limiting conditions.

Unless existing hospices take positive steps to be inclusive, Muslims are likely to set up parallel institutions with implications for social cohesion and integration, said Ahmed.

We must now die in the multiculturally approved manner?

And don’t we rather think that people tottering off to meet their maker might prefer to do so in places that cater to their religious practices? As with Jews possibly preferring a hospice that keeps kosher, Muslims might prefer one that is halal? Maybe?

34 thoughts on “Oh for fucks sake!”

  1. If there were Islamic hospices, the SJW’s would be whining that Muslims were excluded from ‘mainstream’ hospices. If there were multicultural hospices, the SJW’s would be whining that the specific cultural needs of Muslims were not being met.

  2. How are the other minority faiths managing? If there are problems they seem to always be with Muslims. At what point can we put Muslims in the too hard basket and tell them that it really would best all round if they all sodded off back to one or other of the various Islamic states? They can then live and die however the hell they want and we won’t have to devote so much effort in excruciating contortions trying to accommodate their pathetic beliefs.

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    DocBud – “If there are problems they seem to always be with Muslims.”

    They always seem to be. But in this case the complaint seems to be that their families are intact and rather than dumping their oldies to die in the indifferent hands of the State, they (or I expect their daughters-in-law) look after them.

    1. As problems go, that is one to have,
    2. We should not be lecturing them about being more like us, but rather
    3. It is us that has a problem and in this one instance, we should be more like them

  4. Muslims seems to like to live in their Sharia ghettos… ahem.. I mean communities. In which case, wouldn’t one expect to see only a few hospices (which I assume are uniformly distributed, give or take) with Muslims, these having a significant proportion of them? There is no data in that quote regarding the number of Muslims preferring to die at home

  5. Doc: “How are the other minority faiths managing?”

    Most other minorities seem to be happy living in a western country rather than in whatever hole they left behind. It’s only Muslims who seem to flee a shitpit and then try to turn their new home into the dump they left behind. Very strange.

  6. When was the last time you read a news story about how something isn’t catering sufficiently to some religion other than Islam and therefore is wrong and must be fixed urgently?

  7. “If there are problems they seem to always be with Muslims.” Watch it. That’s waycist. Some nasty little Guardian reading creep might have you arrested for disagreeing with the Guardian (euphemistically known as “inciting racial hatred”).

  8. So Much For Subtlety

    Dongguan John – “It’s only Muslims who seem to flee a shitpit and then try to turn their new home into the dump they left behind. Very strange.”

    I don’t think that is true. I think they are the only ones who are noisy and violent about it and so get noticed. Virtually all immigrant communities are doing this to some extent. The degree to which the immigrants in those communities go along with it varies. You can go to some part of almost any large urban area in Britain and find people as utterly dysfunctional as they would be if their families had remained in Jamaica.

    Squander Two – “When was the last time you read a news story about how something isn’t catering sufficiently to some religion other than Islam and therefore is wrong and must be fixed urgently?”

    Well such complaints are not entirely unheard of from the Jewish community. Although in fairness that is mainly because they got to Britain a hell of a lot earlier and so enormous accommodation has already been made. Is there anything Muslims are demanding that some group of Jews or other did not?

    (And, of course, why not? Common decency and all that. The problem is not reasonable accommodation but 1. threats, 2. actual violence and 3. inevitable replacement)

  9. SMFS,

    The article is about hospices having to adapt to the needs of an ageing Muslim population, not about their services not being required because the Muslim community is self-sufficient. Just one more article about how our society is letting Muslims down.

  10. SMFS:

    ‘3. It is us that has a problem and in this one instance, we should be more like them’

    Zactly. It’s destruction of our culture to be replaced by the immigrant minority culture. “Multiculturalism” puts a pretty face on cultural suicide.

  11. Lots of elderly Muslims live with their families – anecdotally, far more than white Brits. Multigenerational households are far more common. I imagine this removes a lot of the demand for hospices – plenty of my Muslim friends have had gran or parents die at home with them.

  12. > Well such complaints are not entirely unheard of from the Jewish community. Although in fairness that is mainly because they got to Britain a hell of a lot earlier and so enormous accommodation has already been made. Is there anything Muslims are demanding that some group of Jews or other did not?

    Yes, pretty much everything. Julie Burchill gave a good example in her highly recommended Unchosen. Showed the way the Jewish Society at St Andrews University share tips on where and how to get kosher food and how they order stuff online and how they arrange trips to a shop in Edinburgh (which is really a bloody long way off) to stock up. This is all entirely normal behaviour for Jews: “We can’t get kosher food here, so we have a problem we need to solve.” Meanwhile, every fast-food chain in the UK has switched to halal because Muslims demand it: “We can’t get halal food here, so you have a problem you must solve. Or else.”

  13. The term Islamaphobia was coined to silence those who are heartily sick of Islamic terrorism, whiny demanding Muslims and their endless victimology. It has not been necessary to coin terms such as Hinduaphobia, Sikhaphobia or Buddhismaphobia.

  14. There’s also probably some correlation actually implying causation where jews have worked things out for themselves in countries where they have found themselves as well as building a modern functioning and wealthy democratic country. As oppossed to Muslims who demand everyone else accomodate them being incapable of building anything but a despotic hell hole.

    Malaysia was basically built by the ethnic Chinese with the Malays doing all they can to grab as much unearned wealth for themselves and Dubai under the fancy wrapping little more than a slave state.

  15. I recall being in a business meeting with a muslim accountant who asked the chairman not to have coffee served because it was Ramadan. Everyone sat there silently, looking embarrassed. I politely but firmly opposed his suggestion, requesting a vote – which was overwhelmingly in favour of serving coffee. The muslim’s arrogance and his desire to play on liberal guilt have never left me.

  16. @Squander Two “Meanwhile, every fast-food chain in the UK has switched to halal because Muslims demand it: “

    The Leytonstone Tesco fresh mean counter switched to Halal a couple of years ago.

    I shopped there around then and can’t remember being asked about it.

  17. Does this mean that the UK now has so many hospice places it can worry about this level of detail?
    My recollection is that getting a hospice place is down to luck, basically they have a place just at the time you are looking for one. Or is it going to be some quota system, wouldn’t want tone the person that has to explain why someone can’t have a hospice space because they have the wrong religion.
    My wife worked intensive care for many years and her experience is that the NHS staff is very conscious and accommodating of religious beliefs when it comes to death.

  18. My FIL spent some time in a Methodist old age home: they were excellent. The old boy wasn’t Methodist; as far as I know he was an agnostic or atheist – “CoE” as they say in England.

  19. So Much For Subtlety

    DocBud – “The article is about hospices having to adapt to the needs of an ageing Muslim population, not about their services not being required because the Muslim community is self-sufficient. Just one more article about how our society is letting Muslims down.”

    Actually it says that Muslims do not use much hospice services now but that “changing family structures” means they will. In other words, we are teaching their children to be feckless, ungrateful, selfish slags too. At the moment they are looked after at home.

    So, looking forward to the growth of the Muslim underclass, this idiot says hospices have to adapt. So it is both about hospice services not being required for now and about how we are letting Muslims down.

  20. So Much For Subtlety

    Squander Two – “Yes, pretty much everything.”

    Really? Separate Faith schools? Yep. Their own religious Courts? Yep. Exemptions from things like animal cruelty laws for religious slaughter? Yep.

    “This is all entirely normal behaviour for Jews”

    Jews are still a small minority in the UK. There is a limit to what they can demand. Especially as they are not as concentrated as Muslims (except for the Orthodox community). But where they care, they lobby for special treatment. Just as Muslims do. Muslims often complain that the law protects Jewish interests – like denying the Holocaust or inciting racial hatred (defined to include Jews of course) – but it does not protect theirs.

    “Meanwhile, every fast-food chain in the UK has switched to halal because Muslims demand it: “We can’t get halal food here, so you have a problem you must solve. Or else.””

    Peacefully. Britain has a reasonable number of Muslims who care about how their animals are killing. Britain has a much larger number of non-Muslims who don’t give a damn. Switching to halal food is rapidly becoming a no-brainer. You win a few more customers, you lose none. Markets at work. The same way wine makers are refusing to use animal products to appease vegans.

    But on the other hand, Jewish lobbying has made some other producers switch to kosher products too. This has been more quiet and is more common in the US, but getting a kosher certificate is worth having, they are usually printed on the side of most products, and producers will go some way to make sure they get one. No difference at all.

  21. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke In Cyprus – “They get old then do they…? I thought the point of bringing them in was to look after us in our old age…?”

    Yeah so we will have to import more of them to look after them when they get old. And so on and on and on.

    The future of Britain is a White patient on life support having the plug pulled by a brown hand.

    DocBud – “The term Islamaphobia was coined to silence those who are heartily sick of Islamic terrorism, whiny demanding Muslims and their endless victimology.”

    Again another example of Jew-envy. Anti-semitism is casually thrown around to silence anyone who might say anything that a Jewish person might not like. Of course there are real anti-semites, but then there are some people who have an unreasonable problem with Muslims.

    Nothing new here.

    Dongguan John – “There’s also probably some correlation actually implying causation where jews have worked things out for themselves in countries where they have found themselves as well as building a modern functioning and wealthy democratic country.”

    Well Israel has not worked out too badly. It is still very democratic. But it is noticeable that Jews have done better in the West than in Israel – more Nobel prizes are won by Jews in the diaspora than by Jews in Israel. A lot more.

    Jews have their own problems in the West. A lot of them don’t much like the West for one thing. Too much blood has been spilled. In the Orthodox that is fine. They can ignore us and we can ignore them. But when their children leave the Orthodox community they all too often find or create groups that equally dislike the West but are trying to do something about it. So the Jewish community has given the world Trotsky, Noam Chomky, most of the spies that gave the Soviets the Bomb, most of the leaders of Student protests against Vietnam, some of the leadership of the South African Communist Party and hence the ANC and not to mention Bernie Sanders. Just how free, prosperous and democratic would the West be if any of these people got their way and imposed their politics?

    Britain is lucky because the Left hates Jews more than the Right does these days. So a lot of British Jews side with the Tories.

  22. SMFS,

    The Muslim underclass is pretty well established, as has been noted, Islamic culture lends itself to the establishment and spread of despotic shitholes wherever Muslims congregate in large numbers. In the West they often hijack the local democratic process to create their own little fiefdoms.

    I don’t think many people have an unreasonable problem with Muslims, Muslims in the West are a problem in a way that other religions are not.

  23. They may be amoral scum but every now and then the French get it right.

    They do, they’re funny like that. It comes down their being contrarian and awkward by nature, and once in a while they are awkward towards those who everyone else arse-kisses.

  24. [Switching to Halal] You win a few more customers, you lose none.

    You lose me, and I suspect quite a few others who know what that funny squiggle on the door means.

  25. @ SMFS
    You don’t lose any customers from telling them that you are changing to halal but you DO subsequently lose a few with taste buds. It tastes different and some people don’t like it.
    Well, duh! For last thousand years or so Britons have had the option of meat slaughtered according to different rules and the demand for halal meat is almost trivial.

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