Seriously?

Currently corporations can exploit outer space in a number of ways, including for space tourism and scientific training. Companies may also be allowed to extract certain resources, but the very first provision of the Outer Space Treaty (1967), to which the US is a signatory, is that such exploration and use shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries. This therefore prevents the sale of space-based minerals for profit.

What?

 

And I think we begin to see El Reg’s business plan now….instead of hiring people to write something for El Reg (like, for example, me, who has written for them on space mining) they now reprint for free something from The Conversation.

Hmm.

36 thoughts on “Seriously?”

  1. Yes, let’s leave the development of space entirely up to the UN, who have proved themselves so adept at … ah yes, self-enrichment of the otherwise unemployable.

  2. What ‘what’? It’s broadly true to say that pretty much all exploitation of resources outside the earth’s atmosphere is prohibited by the UN, for what weight* that prohibition actually carries.

    *Or mass, if you prefer…

    Incidentally, does the writer or The Conversation not get paid for re-posting the story on the Rog?

    Oh, and do you know if Mad Mike’s still involved at all?

  3. Chris>

    It really ought to be done under the auspices of the UN, using X Prizes. National interests just get in the way.

  4. My memory is a bit hazy on this but wasn’t there some sort of UN Moon treaty being pedalled back about 1980 that tried on the same “gubmint only in space” shit?

    I remember the O’Neill Space colony /L5 groups being upset about it at the time. If memory serves I thought the US had refused to sign the shite and that killed it.

    It is a pack of bollocks written by some Nigerian export wasting our tax money at the University of Kent. Well it is nearly the right spelling.

  5. Dave–space should be exploited by private individuals and fuck governments and their “interests”. Which mostly consist of thieving, aggrandisment for self-serving scum and violence.

  6. Dave: Implicit in my disregard for the state is –obviously–an even greater disregard for a shitload of “internationalist” supra-state thieves, arrogant arseholes and conmen styling themselves as the UN.

    It does indeed speak volumes that you are a supporter of allowing suchlike scum to seize control of what amounts to the long-term future of the human race.

  7. such exploration and use shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries.

    Ah. So countries that contribute absolutely fuck all – rather like the one the author hails from – can share the spoils brought about by the efforts of a small handful of dedicated, risk-taking individuals?

  8. the very first provision of the Outer Space Treaty (1967), to which the US is a signatory, is that such exploration and use shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries.

    Pretty sure that applies to States, not private individuals or businesses, but even if I’m wrong, good luck trying to sue someone in a US, UK, Russian, Chinese or Indian court based on the 1967 Outer Space Treaty.

  9. Getting minerals from space will be horribly uneconomic for ages to come. Some idiots will try and lose all their money.

    As ever, the best place for a gold rush is to be a spade salesman

  10. Andy H>

    Getting resources from space to use on earth won’t make sense any time soon. Doing so to use them in space is rather a different kettle of fish, what with the costs of getting things into orbit.

    I’d hazard a guess that some of the first ‘space mining’ we do will be for plain old rocks – so more like quarrying – to be used as building materials for a proper space station. All you need to contain an atmosphere in space is basically a big balloon, and everything else in the way of skin on a space station is there to protect and insulate it. A meter of rock all round would do the trick nicely.

  11. Out of curiosity, what legal jurisdiction would apply when a A.N.Other spaceship side-swipes mine? Do we take it earth side and if so, whose legal system applies?

  12. Products could be manufactured in space –where zero-G provides unique conditions and dropped down Earth’s gravity-well for no extra costs using waverider hulls ( a concept developed by the British Interplanetary Society) at no cost for fuel. The only costs are the expense of getting enough stuff off Earth and into orbit. Not easy in the short-term but ultimately a source of hope. Unless the leftists/islamists win of course.

    Dave: “It really ought to be done under the auspices of the UN, using X Prizes. National interests just get in the way”

    Which bit of the above suggests anything other than your approval and indeed endorsement of the UN controlling space travel? Or do words only mean what you want them to?

  13. In space no one can hear you scream about social justice.

    True; but, even in space, women and ethnic minorities will still suffer oppression.

  14. ITB>

    We’ve had this come up before, back when sails weren’t solar- and ships weren’t space-.

    Mr Ecks>

    We’ve established that your reading comprehension is not up to scratch, so you’ll need to explain to us what precisely you’re interpreting as what before we can correct you.

    You’ve quoted a statement of mine which could include what you suggest I said, but is not limited to it.

    I’m afraid words mean what they normally mean, here. ‘Under the auspices of’ does not mean ‘under the control of’, but ‘watched-over by’. (An auspicer is literally bird-watching, by the way. I thought that was one of my better puns.)

    Oh, while we’re doing things you don’t understand, the waverider re-entry vehicle idea doesn’t work. There’s a lot of research that’s been done, but no practical applications are yet feasible.

  15. Can’t say I’m liking the registers new direction, the amount of time I spend on the site has dropped recently as there is less to interest me and the pieces lifted from the conversation tend to be bland and superficial

  16. “I’m afraid words mean what they normally mean, here. ‘Under the auspices of’ does not mean ‘under the control of’, but ‘watched-over by’. (An auspicer is literally bird-watching, by the way. I thought that was one of my better puns.)”

    One of your dumber ones as is the entire post.

    You play bullshit word games. Why would the fuckwits and assorted leftist thieves at the UN be interested in ” watching over” activities they can neither control or extort money from–unless they expect int’l taxpayers to pay them to sit around observing.

    “There’s a lot of research that’s been done, but no practical applications are yet feasible.” What just like nuclear fusion and every other new idea before its time comes,

    You need to handed over to some of these UN blue helmet African peacekeeper pukes Dave. They’ll teach about the reality of being under “UN auspices”.

    After they’ve finished with you, you could become an Auspice girl.

  17. Mr Ecks>

    You’re just ranting at random. None of that has anything to do with what I said.

    I would point out, though, that given the far right beliefs you overtly espouse, it’s not saying much that you regard everyone at the UN as leftists: compared to you, Adolf himself was a wishy-washy liberal lefty who really ought to have taken a tough line with the Jews rather than going for appeasement like he did.

    The one bit I don’t get about your whole stich is why you object to Ritchie, given that he’s the closest thing you have to a fellow traveller.

  18. As was pointed out in the Martian anything outside state boundaries is maritime law, so this is a problem that’s been solved before, though existing rules may need to be tweaked for space if we ever manage to move there in large numbers.
    On a side note looking forward to how they handle the Exapnsion books in the upcoming tv series.

  19. So Much For Subtlety

    Theophrastus – “True; but, even in space, women and ethnic minorities will still suffer oppression.”

    Indeed. As the article I like to think of as Peak Guardian (I can dream) pointed out:

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2015/may/06/how-can-our-future-mars-colonies-be-free-of-sexism-and-racism

    The first woman to be raped in space has probably already been born.

    In space no one can hear you scream about social justice. But for some reason we still have to put up with it down here. Dare I say, after that article, we are stuck here with it?

    There won’t be any space exploration. Because the only people likely to do it are White males and they are fast disappearing. The author of that article shows why we ain’t going nowhere.

  20. To promote space mining we should give the UN full monetary rights to it from 2040 to 2080.

    And then remove ALL their other sources of funding. After that period they can only run on their investments made during the boom.

    Either they make it viable, and we all win in the long run as the technologies are developed suitably. Or they fail, in which case — no harm, no foul.

  21. SMFS,
    “There won’t be any space exploration. Because the only people likely to do it are White males and they are fast disappearing.”

    What about the Chinese? Or the Indians?

  22. Won’t mean anything. What you need is the equivalent of a gun boat. Best leave it to the British if there are any of them left. Colonisation is their game.

  23. So Much For Subtlety

    Jack C – “What about the Chinese? Or the Indians?”

    What about them? The Chinese continue to be unable to design or build so much as their own helicopter. Both of them are too corrupt and incompetent to do much.

  24. Dave–I see the problem here. You are a complete grade A fuckwit.

    I don’t understand the meaning of words? I think you win that prize by a mile. Of course anything looking to counter the SJW shite that runs thro’ your veins would be labelled “far right”–standard leftist jargon.

    The Hitler/Ritchie angle is sufficiently bizarre as to put you up there with world class loons. Why would a left-sucker like you have a problem with either Murf or Adolf , both of whom–like yourself–are socialists anyway?

    Your brain is so screwed that International Rescue couldn’t help you never mind fucking UN “auspices”.

  25. Friend of mine bought a piece of the moon on the internet, He’s got the piece of paper to prove it.

    This is in fact entirely true and i’ve seen his title deeds and his lunar passport.

    Now, it is certainly the case that whoever sold him the title deeds to a piece of the moon did not already own that piece of the moon, however, imagine in some years to come there is a dispute about ownership, and my friend has the title deeds – which are now quite old … I can imagine a judge ruling “in the absence of any better claim …”

  26. Space liability regulation states that

    States (countries) bear international responsibility for all space objects that are launched within their territory. This means that regardless of who launches the space object, if it was launched from State A’s territory, or from State A’s facility, or if State A caused the launch to happen, then State A is fully liable for damages that result from that space object.

    Seems to have been signed by most countries that would be involved in launching. I do recall, there was a lot of push back especially in the US against signing this, as it was surmised that this would force governments to crack down on private companies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Liability_Convention

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