You go for it gal

Nicola Sturgeon has pledged to introduce measures to replace money lost by working families in Scotland through the UK government’s cuts to tax credits, but refused to confirm she would top up the full amount of benefits lost.

The first minister told Holyrood on Thursday she would introduce “real, credible, affordable” plans to mitigate the expected cuts in working families tax credit by the UK government, in an effort to matchScottish Labour’s pledge to restore the lost benefits, made by its leader, Kezia Dugdale, last weekend.

You tax your people to pay money to your people and we’ll all applaud from the sidelines.

Tax us to pay your people and you c’n fuck off.

25 thoughts on “You go for it gal”

  1. The lead-up to this climb down by Sturgeon was glorious.

    At Holyrood questions, the Social Justice Secretary (yes, really) began his speech by saying that the Scottish Parliament didn’t have the powers to do this.

    Then, a few minutes later in the same speech, he completely reversed that position and said that the parliament did in fact have the powers.

    A succession of SNP backbenchers then stood up to deliver their pre-written speeches which all said that the parliament didn’t have those powers. Not one of them had the gumption to either shut up or skip over that part of their speech.

    In the end Sturgeon has been pressed into making this statement against her instincts. Despite the SNP’s “progressive” marketing, the very last thing they want to do is raise taxes on the middle classes. They are the ones who voted in great numbers against independence and the SNP can’t afford to piss them off more.

    Truly a great day for Scottish politics.

  2. When they gain independence and have to exhume the rotting corpses of the Scots banks they can print as many Scotch fivers as they like to top up the benefits.

    PPQE. Poor People’s Quantative Easing.

    Please note, Dick, I, me myself, invented that one…

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    GlenDorran – “Despite the SNP’s “progressive” marketing, the very last thing they want to do is raise taxes on the middle classes.”

    So the solution is to give the Scots more taxation powers. I think they should be allowed to set a local income tax at any level they like.

    To quote Larry Niven, fools are protected by even bigger fools

  4. SMFS,

    The problem is that they can’t afford their spending promises, even if they raise taxes; so they’ll go demanding their own printing press. At which point the Scots can either go join the Euro or launch their own Scots Pound.

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    Andrew M – “At which point the Scots can either go join the Euro or launch their own Scots Pound.”

    The Protestant tradition that taught fiscal rectitude is clearly dead or dying in Scotland. They will have to learn the lessons of the Copy Book Headings the hard way. Bring on the scouring of brimstone and fire.

    I look forward to the Scuro or even Scoterling.

  6. SMFS:

    Absolutely. Scots (especially some of the wilder SNP supporters) need a dose of reality. A good and hard dose.

  7. As long as the Barnet Formula exists, they’ll be taxing the English to pay Scots.

    I was interested to see that English university tuition fees are included in the Barnet Formula payments. After a student pays their fee to their university, the university of course spends it — but the university is officially a public body, so that spending counts as public spending, so Whitehall then multiply the sum by Barnet and send it to Holyrood.

  8. Bloke in North Dorset

    “I was interested to see that English university tuition fees are included in the Barnet Formula payments. After a student pays their fee to their university, the university of course spends it — but the university is officially a public body, so that spending counts as public spending, so Whitehall then multiply the sum by Barnet and send it to Holyrood.”

    As DK used to say, fucking helski. There’s nowhere to hide from funding them is there?

    Shame those proud Scots aren’t so proud that they’d turn down English money as a matter of principle.

  9. GlenDorran/SMFS

    The problem from an English perspective is that how would we be able to stop thousands pf Scots refugees fleeing into England if things transpire as you suggest? South Korea is protected from North Korea by a Demilitarised zone and extensive defensive fortifications. Does anyone think the current regime or, Ye Gods, Corbyn will invest in anything more than perfunctory border posts in the event the SNP go their own way?

  10. VP

    The answer to that is the SNP and its support believe that the exodus of refugees will be in the other direction should we become independent because of our increased wealth.

    You can therefore rest easy.

  11. @V_P:

    Those fleeing south would likely be affluent professionlas and other business types, so they should be a net gain to England. (I know lots of people in my line of work who were scoping out opportunities down south in the event the referendum went the other way; I was one of them)

  12. Rebuild Hadrian’s Wall.
    Yes, I know that will leave Northumberland on the wrong side but the Percy had N centuries of fighting Scots invaders before 1603, so they’ll just take a few swords and shields out of the display cabinets in Alnwick Castle. Probably charge the american tourists an extra £10 per head to watch them repel the invading hordes.

  13. Independent city states could make a comeback. Edinburgh and Aberdeen could form an alliance and free trade area with Orkney and Shetland. The resulting union would be far richer than the rest of an independent Scotland.

    Actually, there may be something in this…..

    /paints face in blue woad

    FREEDOM!

  14. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I wonder how long after the Demented Porridge Wog ascendancy you would see UN relief columns going over the border at Coldstream to hand out tattie scones and Irn Bru to the starving populace.

  15. Once Nicky and her gang are firmly esconced in power north of the border, sorting out the genuine asylum seekers from the economic migrants heading south will be fun.

    Obviously Scottish Labour Party polititions, members, officials and bureaucrats will be genuinely in fear of their lives, as will Alex Salmond and the rump of his bolshevik faction. These, therefore, should probably be accepted under international law.

    Bankers, Oil industry workers and the like will clearly be economic migrants as they usually get on with any flavour of regime.

    People claiming to be tories or liberals should also be sent packing with a flea in their ear, but greens may well become acceptable when they fall out with the nats, (if they haven’t already).

    When TSHTF in an independant Scotland, the blood letting amongst the left will be intersting to behold and the gyrations of the usual suspects south of the border as they seek to excuse it all will also be enlightening.

    Unfortunately, once again no-one will learn the lessons.

  16. A joke from the Kirkcaldy comedy festival ( now defunct ):
    “Are there any English in?”
    Two hands go up
    “We hate you . . . .but dinnae feel afraid, it’s not half as much as we hate each other”

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    Van_Patten – “The problem from an English perspective is that how would we be able to stop thousands pf Scots refugees fleeing into England if things transpire as you suggest?”

    We wouldn’t, we would simply give each one an AK-47 and let them sort it out? We can’t stop the follies of the foolish. They have to be taught. Otherwise, one day, they will make national politics and we will have to flee for the relatively sane policies of Brazil.

    “Does anyone think the current regime or, Ye Gods, Corbyn will invest in anything more than perfunctory border posts in the event the SNP go their own way?”

    As long as they are, oh I don’t know, just south of Birmingham, I don’t mind. They want Berwick-on-Tweed back? They can have all the way down to the Midlands!

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    GlenDorran – “Those fleeing south would likely be affluent professionlas and other business types, so they should be a net gain to England.”

    We need a revived Barnet Formula that would give every feckless dole-bludging lay about more free cash if they move the other direction. Free heroin perhaps.

    This could really work out.

  19. The question I haven’t had answered yet is this:
    If Scotland is such a basket case after 308 year of Union doesn’t that suggest that Indy is worth a try?
    However, in a Uk context, I think that the UK Tories are missing a trick in not pushing for FFA. At present Holyrood can spend without any responsiblity for raising. It is a surefire way to guarantee big government and high spend.
    In FFA Scotland could, as you say,tax it’s ciitzens if it wants to spend.However the middle classes would start to vote in their own interests.

  20. @ Fred
    Scotland wasn’t any sort of basket case when I lived there. Glasgow was “the second city of the Empire” (except that it wasn’t in the Empire any more than London was: Georgius VI Ind Imp meant Emperor of India). Wilson turned it into a basket case at the behest of Frank Cousins.

  21. Fred

    The issue isn’t that Scotland couldn’t be an independent nation, or that it’s a basket case. It’s the type of independent nation that was being proposed by so many during the referendum campaign. The jibes about “Venezuela on Clyde” weren’t too far off the mark.

  22. “the Social Justice Secretary …. saying that the Scottish Parliament didn’t have the powers to do this.”

    Err… I quite clearly remember seeing a “Should the Scottish Parliament have tax-raising powers?” box back in the 1999 referendum.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *