Dan Hodges can kiss my hairy freckled arse

Donald Trump wants to be the man in the high castle. Ban him. Ban him now.

Fuck off matey.

Trump’s a loon, deluded, arrogant, ignorant and quite possibly not entirely one of us.

However, these linked ideas of freedom and liberty do mean that someone, anyone, can run their mouth off on any subject they desire, in any manner that takes their fancy, subject only to the limitations of libel and incitement to immediate violence. And if that’s not the way it is then that is still the way it should be. We will have no rules stating that such and such is badthink which must not be expressed.

After all, if being a loon, deluded, arrogant, ignorant and quite possibly not entirely one of us is the definition of who may not traverse this sceptered isle then we’re going to have to deport most of the denizens of Westminster, aren’t we?

In June 2013 two prominent US bloggers – Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer – who had founded an organisation Stop Islamisation of America announced they were coming to the UK to participate in an English Defence League march. It had been organised in the wake of the murder of Lee Rigby.

Theresa May decided they should be refused entry to the UK. In a statement the Home Office said: “The Home Secretary will seek to exclude an individual if she considers that his or her presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good. We condemn all those whose behaviours and views run counter to our shared values and will not stand for extremism in any form.”

Pammycakes is indeed a loon, deluded etc (with nice tits), and as I pointed out back then May was a grotty little fascist cunt for banning her.

Because, y’know, those freedom and liberty things mean that even those I abhor get to open their gobs as they wish.

47 thoughts on “Dan Hodges can kiss my hairy freckled arse”

  1. When you consider that this Nation gave Stalin a place to hide in when Imperial Russia was getting tired of his murderous campaign of bombing, robbery and extortion by kidnap, times have certainly changed.

  2. Whether or not Trump is a “loon”, taking measures to halt further Islamisation of Christendom is an entirely rational policy, whether or not your agree with it. In that the goal is rational, and the method proposed (blocking migration) is a rational strategy to help achieve that goal.

    Culture is demographic. The more of some type of person with a particular culture you have, the more that the whole culture will articulate and manifest that culture. Anyone who thinks that America, Britain or Sweden becoming more Muslim culturally should support migration. Anyone who thinks that becoming more Muslim is a bad thing should oppose it.

    This really is very straightforward. Why precisely it is considered lunacy to not want to live in a more muslim society, I would like to hear.

  3. Freedom of Association.

    It’s an equal right to free speech, and part of the point of free speech is it allows us to decide who we associate with.

    Now, I’m very strongly on the open borders, free movement for all side, but until we’ve got that implemented globally and there’s completely unchecked travel between the UK and US, for example, then controls exist and should be applied equally.

    If we’re going to have border controls, they form part of our right to freedom of association, in this case the right of the entire country to not let odious arseholes with dodgy hairpieces annoy us on our own soil.

    Until and unless we have free entry to all, then we choose who gets to come in. Trump’s near the top of my not wanted here list.

  4. The most hilarious comment I saw on this was one Tweeter (or perhaps Twat should be the term?) who when Osborne, in a not common enough example of good sense pointed out that to do this to a US presidential candidate might not be the best idea proclaimed ‘so the view of hundreds of thousands don’t matter?’

    Indeed, The fact that over 350,000 people signed a petition to bar him shows how far as a nation we have fallen, and how deeply the Hard Corbynite Left with their malign concepts of ‘Hate Speech’, ‘micro-aggressions’ and ‘safe spaces’ have infiltrated the UK’s education system – as a matter of some urgency careful consideration needs to be given to the introduction of a socialist tax, with the possibility of assisted emigration to North Korea and Venezuela (for example) for people who ask for unbridled freedom to express their own opinion whilst simultaneously seeking to ban others from doing so……

  5. The US actually has a law banning the naturalisation of immigrants who are members of organisations committed to the overthrow of the US government and the implementation of a totalitarian state, and as I remember the old I-94 visa forms famously asked whether the traveller was seeking to overthrow the US government (quick way to deport those who do cause trouble because the visa is violated), so all Trump was really doing was asking politicians to consider how they should apply to Islam in the modern world. A bit provocative, but mostly for those who want to be provoked by Trump.

  6. MatGB: You may not want Trump but I am quite happy to have him VISIT–as opposed to giving permanent residence to large numbers of islamists. None of the authorities give a shite about my wish not to have to associate with supporters of hate and death cults. I likewise give no regard to your wishes.

    The furore is created by the left. Islam is a client of the left. They left see it–correctly–as a means to disrupt society. They prob hope that enough social strife will create an opportunity for a leftist takeover.

    To solve the issue of islam the left must be smashed. Hell to solve all our problems the left must be smashed. Breaking the bastards media control and rousting them out of the Unis would be a good start.

  7. Free speech “subject only to the limitations ” (see above) of having the vast wealth necessary to talk out of your arse on a national political platform: otherwise you will be left shouting at the television like the rest of the nutters.
    This is the old chestnut debate about allowing a platform to extremists and racists: the consensus (now protected by law) is that people attacking whole races, religions and ethnic groups are guilty of hate speech and told to shut the fuck up. I admit there are problems round the edges with this modern approach but it is a hell of sight better than the old one of having people calling for the extermination of whole races and “the mentally unfit”.

  8. MattGB-

    The reality in my opinion is that open borders will only ever work between nations which are broadly economically equal and socially peaceful. The world is not like that at the moment. Many areas of the world are economically an underdeveloped mess and plagued by violence, with inhabitants who do not believe in universal humanity but instead remain in a tribal/clan paradigm.

    The result is that in the real world, borders are not really open, they are osmotic, with travel in a single direction. If I were in Mali or Libya I’d probably want to come to the West too, but there are not many Brits eager to go live in Libya or Mali. They can have borders as open as you like and people won’t go there in significant numbers.

    And the problem is that undesirable countries are undesirable largely because of the people who live in them and their attitudes and culture. So all that osmotic borders can achieve is to drag the better countries down towards their level.

  9. Pamela Geller may be a bit hyperactive and shrill for your tastes but Robert Spencer is a serious academic who taught CIA agents about the rationale and source of Islamic terrorism until Obama decreed that this was Islamophobic and had all his materiel removed from the education of those being trained to keep the US safe from foreign threats. I strongly recommend his book “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to Isis” which contextualises it both within Islamic history and theology.

  10. DBC Reed:

    Why should someone criticising Islam, or any other religion, be told to “shut the fuck up” (or ‘prosecuted’, as I think the legal term is called)?

  11. “the consensus (now protected by law) is that people attacking whole races, religions and ethnic groups are guilty of hate speech and told to shut the fuck up.”

    Your “consensus” Reedy–not mine. And high time then the same standard is applied to socialism. Now there is a death-cult for you.

  12. I admit there are problems round the edges with this modern approach but it is a hell of sight better than the old one of having people calling for the extermination of whole races and “the mentally unfit”.

    Nice way to dismiss the wholesale assault on freedom of expression and thought that infects the west these days, just a minor difficulty, nothing to see or worry about here. This is a favourite trick of the intolerant, pretend that there’s not really a problem with your own intolerance and make some bogus appeal to a supposed past time when bigotry rained unchecked. When in this country did we ever have anyone, apart from a tiny handful of Fascist nutters, calling for the extermination of whole races ?

  13. ‘so the view of hundreds of thousands don’t matter?’
    They do matter, but not as much as the views of the other 60-odd million people in the UK.
    And much less than the law of the land.
    Less than 0.6% of the populace want to dictate to the other 99.4%: that’s “democracy” if you are a lefty..

  14. Hasn’t it been always the case that if you had Israeli stamps on your passport, you would not be allowed to go to several arab countries?

    I can’t remember a furore or petitions about that…

  15. *reads replies*

    *despairs at the level of reading comprehension in Tim’s comment threads these days*

    I have no desire to “win” any thread, on the grounds that’s clearly a stupid idea in the first place, but to answer a few idiocies.

    1) Learn to read and spell other people’s names, it’s basic manners and isn’t that hard.

    2) Getting odious arseholes removed from the country to stand trial where they may’ve committed a crime is a good thing. But as we believe in the Rule of Law, insisting that a condition of extradition be that the Rule of Law be upheld for that trial is perfectly straightforward, if idiots hadn’t gone around blaming human rights and instead just negotiated a bloody agreement that maintained basic standards then Hook’d have been thrown out years previously.

    3) There are idiots on The Left, by which we mean the STW/SWP extremist idiots, who are allies of anyone that fights against Lenin’s definition of “imperialism”. These people are just as stupid, and just as extreme, as those that think all members of a particular faith can be judged by the actions of its most extreme elements.

    I’d rather not live in a country that has a death cult as it’s official religion, that’s why I’d like to disestablish the CofE, but I’d rather not expel all the deluded believers in that or other sect, seems both pointless and counter productive.

    Ian, you’ve definitely got a point about the practicality of open borders, that’s one of the reasons I’m firmly with Tim on the value of free trade and liberal economic progress in general, there’s the ideal world we’d like to live in and the real world we are in, and how to get where we want to be. Idiots like Trump are roadblocks in the way of that journey, as are those who want to lump all residents of, say, Syria together as death cult extremists.

  16. Apparently preventing people coming to your country is a Very Bad Thing. Therefore we should… prevent Trump from coming to ours.

    Doesn’t really add up, does it?

  17. MatGB – dude, you have such a raging man-crush on The Donald. You’ll never meet him, you know.

    Ecks +1

    Tim – Trump’s a loon, deluded, arrogant, ignorant and quite possibly not entirely one of us

    No, no, yes, no, yes.

    Trump is, as they say, crazy like a fox. The yuge noo yawk ego is a carefully cultivated persona, he’s a sharp cookie.

    And I’m absolutely loving how he makes the left wet its collective knickers.

  18. When I first heard about this, another yearning to ban something, I recalled Blair entertaining the Chinese. He built walls along the roads they were going to be driven down so that the sensitive flowers wouldn’t be upset by the mass protests.

    Only there were hardly any protests, it being fine, in the eyes of lefties, to entertain communist mass murderers.

    A Reb with a funny hairstyle is, though, simply beyond the pale.

  19. The left-wingers and the media act like they aren’t already immigration restrictions in most Western countries. But the US, the UK and all Western countries already prevent most people in the world from emigrating there. I can’t just go and live in the US if I feel like it, for instance.

    Most of us, even most supposedly pro-immigration left-wingers, already accept the principle that countries can’t just let in everyone who wants to come, and that for a society to survive there has to be a limited amount of migration. Pretty much everyone agrees that were sufficient numbers of Muslims be allowed into a Western country in one go then that country would soon become a lot more Muslim. Not all left-wingers see this as a bad thing, but most would agree that it would happen.

    Trump’s policy is just a refinement of this policy. A crude, ham-fisted refinement, sure, and possibly one that has been expressed in an unhelpful way, but it’s in keeping with the generally accepted principle that you only let people who you are reaosnably sure aren’t going to undermine your society and democracy emigrate to your country.

    As I alluded to above, if the UK government is happy to stop people liike Pamela Geller even visiting the UK just because she has mildly right-wing beliefs (and hardly extreme ones), then I don’t see how the UK government can object to preventing people with Islamic beliefs from emigrating to the US.

    The UK government is happy to refuse to let in loads of people, from, for example, New Zealand, who would like to move here. (They let in some New Zealanders who have been offered the right sort of jobs by the right sort of UK employers, but most New Zealanders cannot just move here if they want). So why can’t the US refuse to let in, say, Syrians?

    I’m not saying Trump’s idea should be accepted wholesale, but the claim that what he said was beyond the pale is just leftie propaganda. It’s just a more rigid application of the existing situation.

  20. Just read an interesting comment on an article in the American Spectator.

    The comment said that it is the Obama administration that has created Trump.

    This accords with Corbyn’s theories that we are all responsible for the IRA and IS.

    I look forward to his condemnation of the Obama regime and his support for DT.

    Yes, I know, don’t hold your breath.

  21. MATBG: “reads replies*”

    That’s something at least.

    “*despairs at the level of reading comprehension in Tim’s comment threads these days*”

    I think we understood you very well.

    “I have no desire to “win” any thread, on the grounds that’s clearly a stupid idea in the first place, but to answer a few idiocies. ”

    As far as idiocy goes you started it.

    “1) Learn to read and spell other people’s names, it’s basic manners and isn’t that hard.”

    “2) Getting odious arseholes removed from the country to stand trial where they may’ve committed a crime is a good thing. But as we believe in the Rule of Law, insisting that a condition of extradition be that the Rule of Law be upheld for that trial is perfectly straightforward, if idiots hadn’t gone around blaming human rights and instead just negotiated a bloody agreement that maintained basic standards then Hook’d have been thrown out years previously.”

    Scum tho’ the Hook was there is no evidence that he did more than talk. Just like Trump. No grounds for him to be thrown out. Shorn of their leftist allies ( and their ever-swelling numbers) islam is no real threat to the West. We could defeat them easily both physically and morally / intellectually –if we could get at them past their leftist protectors. The left have the PC media stranglehold. The only side noised abroad on the MSM is the left and their lying shite. That and the welfare-state-school-media induced torpid stupidity of Mr & Mrs AFC makes the danger we are in. If we woke up and got our wits back that would be it for the left and islam.

    3″There are idiots on The Left, by which we mean the STW/SWP extremist idiots, who are allies of anyone that fights against Lenin’s definition of “imperialism”.”

    Standard left lies–there are only a few bad leftists ( just like the few jihadi islamists who HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO CONNECTION with all the other RoPer’s )–those nasty SWP types. All supporters of socialism are idiots who don’t think or are brazen evil-supporters (and thus evil-doers).

    ” These people are just as stupid, and just as extreme, as those that think all members of a particular faith can be judged by the actions of its most extreme elements. ”

    See above.

    “I’d rather not live in a country that has a death cult as it’s official religion, that’s why I’d like to disestablish the CofE, but I’d rather not expel all the deluded believers in that or other sect, seems both pointless and counter productive.”

    Just stupid whether you are a Christian believer or not. Right or wrong, the whole point of the Christian faith is the belief that Jesus ISN’T dead- you numpty. They may focus on the death but only because they believe Jesus made the ultimate comeback. Socialism/islam are the death-cults for our times.

    “Ian, you’ve definitely got a point about the practicality of open borders, that’s one of the reasons I’m firmly with Tim on the value of free trade and liberal economic progress in general, there’s the ideal world we’d like to live in and the real world we are in, and how to get where we want to be”

    Ok

    .” Idiots like Trump are roadblocks in the way of that journey, ”

    Because leftists don’t like him puncturing their balloon of deceit?

    “as are those who want to lump all residents of, say, Syria together as death cult extremists.”

    I’m sure most of us have no problem with Syrians–so long as they stay in Syria or nearby muslim zones and don’t try to fetch up in our country. Given that I’m totally happy to help these folk in their travail. Even tho’ I have no time for their beliefs and lifestyle.

    And the majority of muslims polled around the world support the evil of Sharia–so don’t come the “they’re all harmless save a tiny minority” routine.

  22. Thought experiment… Trump is refused entry to the UK… Cometh “The Day” and for some reason “Mr & Mrs Middle America” decide that “that guy has the right ideas” and Mr T becomes next POTUS… What’s that going to do to “The Special Relationship” (or what’s left of it after Mr Obama’s depredations). 🙂

  23. When I saw the headline, I thought there was something of an irony in describing someone *else* as a fascist while calling for an entry visa ban on the basis of professed opinion.

  24. Rob

    I am hoping the Venezuelans will arrest Jones if he does go to Caracas as an accessory to torture and murder – that would make mine, and indeed 99% of the population’s day! Almost as big a cretin as Murphy – almost……..

  25. I thought Trump was just pointing out the irony of the situation of if we are at war with them why do we keep letting them into the country.

  26. I believe Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the USA in ’79 during the hostage crisis and deported a large number of Iranian students, no petitions then or Carter would have had one against his entry to the UK or maybe not ?

  27. Apparently in the wake of the Iranian Revolution, Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the USA and actually deported thousands of them.

    But Trump saying America should not allow any more muslims in until the US security service has got its act together makes him Hitler.

    Jeez, the west is fucked, isn’t it?

  28. Ah, Wiggia beat me to it. What pisses me off about the whole story is the MSM have deliberately kept it quiet, and we’re relying on right-wing nutjobs on FB to spread the story.

  29. Bloke in Costa Rica

    In 1990, while I was at Imperial, a non-trivial number of students disappeared from various courses such as Mech Eng, Chem Eng and physics when Saddam invaded Kuwait and the government decided their continued presence in the country was not conducive to the public good. Hardly anyone even noticed and if they did they shrugged and carried on. These days, there’d be shrieking and rending of garments.

  30. In passing, is there no TV programme Dan Hodges won’t hang a newspaper article off of?
    I suppose it’s his mother’s influence.

  31. And given the man in the high castle was an opponent of the fascists isn’t he twisting the reference a bit too far

  32. Tim, I accept your arse is probably hairy, because you are not into mn-grooming. But freckled? You have a freckled arse? Explain how tht happened…and also how you know your arse is freckled.

  33. Ian B:
    “And the problem is that undesirable countries are undesirable largely because of the people who live in them and their attitudes and culture. So all that osmotic borders can achieve is to drag the better countries down towards their level.”

    Absolutely. And yet in the corridors that our host walks, childishly naïve bollocks like this:

    http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/uncategorized/throw-open-our-borders-and-liberalize-immigration-policy/

    is seen as entirely sensible. Trump and Gellar are deluded nutters but Goldsworthy is reasonable? Despite the blatantly obvious truth that his policy would end everything he likes about this land along with every way he’d like to see it improved.

    Ideology can have a strange grip on people. The “West”, left and right, statist and libertarian, needs to throw off this ludicrous notion that all people are largely the same, and that in the small ways they are different they are equally valid.

    But then again, this frothing, five-minute-hate madness of Trump does remind me of:

    http://patriotupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/angry-muslim2.jpg
    .

  34. So Much For Subtlety

    PJF – “The “West”, left and right, statist and libertarian, needs to throw off this ludicrous notion that all people are largely the same, and that in the small ways they are different they are equally valid.”

    I would be happy if we had leaders who thought that the terrorists were the problem and not us. Every single Muslim attack is immediately followed by our elites expressing fear that ordinary White people might fight back.

    It says volumes about their real contempt for us all

    Trump does not fear White voters. That is why he is doing so well.

  35. PJF-

    The problem is that most Libertarians and “Classical Liberals” are mentally trapped in the Dark Ages with the first wave Marxists, agreeing that everything is superstructural to economics then just arguing for a different mode of production and ownership of the means of production. It’s an argument from the earlier part of the last century.

    Even the Marxists have long moved on from that into a “Culture First” approach which has been vastly more successful for them than the “Economy First” approach. It’s time we did the same.

  36. “An Islamist hate preacher from Lebanon, should we ban him or do freedom and liberty, er, trump that?”

    Its very simple – we should treat Muslims the same as they treat Christians in their lands. Well, actually we shouldn’t treat them that badly to be fair. But given you can’t be a Saudi citizen without being a Muslim, I reckon we should start there. Remove all citizenship from Muslims who won’t convert to Christianity (or another religion, I’m not biased). Then have the same rights of abode for Muslims in the UK that UK citizens have in Saudi. I notice that foreigners are routinely fingerprinted on entry to Saudi, that would be a good thing here to implement here too. Anyone getting into trouble – immediate deportation, just like Saudi (we won’t behead anyone, or give them 40 lashes, we’re soft like that).

    Whats sauce for the goose……….

  37. “Whats sauce for the goose……….”

    Jim +1

    A good dose of quid quo pro is what these twats need, applied deep and sideways. They can fund mosques in Rome just after completion of the first cathedral in Mecca. Until then, they can fuck off.

    Etc…

  38. Jim

    Fine, you believe that. But when conversations move on to liberty, individual rights, decency just please remember that you don’t believe in it. You will protest that you do but, like IanB, Mr Ecks and all the other little fascists you are talking bollocks. You are the flip side of the Stop the War knobheads.

  39. Fine, you believe that. But when conversations move on to liberty, individual rights, decency just please remember that you don’t believe in it.

    How long do you think ‘liberty, individual rights and decency’ will last in the UK once the population is 90% Muslim?

    If you want to live in a free country, you need to keep out those who don’t. It’s that simple. People who want an authoritarian, theocratic government won’t magically come to want liberty and individual rights just because they move to the UK.

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