Explains why Chelsea is an only childDecember 20, 2015 Tim WorstallPolitics33 CommentsHillary Clinton: ‘maybe the back door isn’t the right door’ previousThe problem with The Guardian’s dating systemnextThis isn’t sexism you idiots 33 thoughts on “Explains why Chelsea is an only child” Grikath December 20, 2015 at 12:54 pm Actually, the most disturbing thing there is the fact that they genuinely are convinced they’re somehow capable of witholding access to [technology] as if the US is the only nation in the world that has the capability and knowledge of inventing stuff, and then distribute it to People They Like, and/or the power to deny other nations their souvereignty to make their own decisions.. dearieme December 20, 2015 at 1:13 pm I increasingly sympathise with those who say that the US is no longer a Republic, but has become like the Roman Empire. And not in one of its well-run phases. dearieme December 20, 2015 at 1:14 pm Mesopotamia, Syria and the enmity of Persia: golly, the analogy isn’t too bad. Not to mention cultivating the resentment of people from the Steppes. Eh, Vlad? Grikath December 20, 2015 at 1:26 pm Incidentally, there’s a rather common notion amongst the youth of the Happy Reborn type of Christianity that the Backdoor is indeed the Right Door if you want to Save your vaunted Virginity for marriage and still do the Funky Thing. This may explain a lot. Surreptitious Evil December 20, 2015 at 3:01 pm Grikath, Splendidly taken the, well, it’s not exactly “the piss” is it, out of in this video. Ian B December 20, 2015 at 3:36 pm Grikath- Which is actually logical if you (not unreasonably) define virginity as not having experienced sexual intercourse, that being the thing that makes babies. jgh December 20, 2015 at 4:01 pm If sex is that thing that makes babies, then by using a condom you don’t have sex? Ian B December 20, 2015 at 4:27 pm That would be another logical conclusion yes. I think that’s implicit in Catholicism, now you mention it. You’re not allowed a penis inside a vagina unless it’s sexual intercourse. Anything else that causes arousal of the sexual system is a perversion, therefore verboten, since it is simply selfish pleasure. They should have been more specific. Tim Worstall December 20, 2015 at 4:44 pm Not so. Catholicism (and much Judaism, most forms of Islam) say that moral sex must be within marriage and must contain the possibility of conception. Thus blow jobs, anal, whatever, are just fine, as long as ejaculation is in said vagina. Anal drip is generally thought not to be sufficient. Ian B December 20, 2015 at 5:16 pm Tim, you seem to be agreeing with me, to whit that the definition of sexual intercourse is the (potentially) procreative act. Tim Worstall December 20, 2015 at 5:19 pm Indeed, but it’s the vinegar stroke that matters, not whatever the foreplay is. Ian B December 20, 2015 at 5:45 pm I could be wrong here, but I can’t remember either Catholicism or Protestantism being very enthusiastic about sodomy, even if you end up in the other hole. I’m pretty certain that you’re only supposed to do the PIV. Tim Worstall December 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm “very enthusiastic” about and “denounce as mortal sin” are not quite opposites…. Ian B December 20, 2015 at 6:08 pm I was deliberately underplaying the “denounce as mortal sin” for comic effect. Tim Worstall December 20, 2015 at 6:24 pm Oh! ha ha. I always find a joke funnier when it is explained to me. 🙂 Ian B December 20, 2015 at 6:58 pm So do I. It’s even better when the person repeats the whole joke, but louder. It’s best of all when the person tells me how funny I’m going to find a joke before they tell it to me. The point I’m trying to make badly here is that in most religious views (at least, the Abrahamics), sex is the penis in the vagina with baby making potential thing. Other acts we call sexual aren’t sex, but they are (variously) perversions, since they are a misuse of the bits God gave us. And more fun than God intended us to have with them. Frottage isn’t sex, but it is perverse, kind of thing. Ian B December 20, 2015 at 6:59 pm So therefore for instance you can’t consummate a marriage with bumsex, hence the impossibility of gay marriage in religous terms. jgh December 20, 2015 at 9:02 pm Until recently in English law, adultery was defined as sex with a person you were not married to while you were married, and sex was defined as the insertion of a penis into a vagina. Consequently, you couldn’t use adultery as grounds for divorce unless a penis had been inserted into a vagina. All simpler now with just irretrievable breakdown as the sole ground. Bloke in Costa Rica December 20, 2015 at 10:22 pm Back to the original point: remember the Democrats are supposed to be the party of Science™. Whereas of course they’re largely drooling idiots who couldn’t understand the difference between symmetric and public key cryptography even if given a couple of weeks to study it. So Much For Subtlety December 20, 2015 at 10:31 pm Grikath – “Incidentally, there’s a rather common notion amongst the youth of the Happy Reborn type of Christianity that the Backdoor is indeed the Right Door if you want to Save your vaunted Virginity for marriage and still do the Funky Thing.” No there isn’t. No one has been able to find evidence of this. It is just another media smear of Christians. After all, ever since Augustine, Christians have been clear on virginity. It does not matter what you do (or what others do to you in the case discussed by Augustine). It matters what you were thinking at the time. Anal sex is a sin. Under all circumstances. You do not “save yourself” by engaging in it. It only matters in societies where people are likely to face social pressure if they are not virgins. The Middle East where the bloody clothes are displayed. The South of Europe which is influenced by them. It even turns up as a concept in China. But in Northern Europe, no. So Much For Subtlety December 20, 2015 at 10:39 pm Tim Worstall – “Not so. Catholicism (and much Judaism, most forms of Islam) say that moral sex must be within marriage and must contain the possibility of conception. Thus blow jobs, anal, whatever, are just fine, as long as ejaculation is in said vagina. Anal drip is generally thought not to be sufficient.” I am willing to go out on a limb here and say there is no priest in the world who has ever said, even once, that anal sex is OK as long as the ejaculation is vaginal. That is not the Church’s position. That is not a Christian position. Unnatural sexual acts are unnatural by their nature. They are not allowed. Regardless of where you finish. Islam came into the world before oral sex was invented. It is not covered by the original texts and so is sometimes thought to be permitted. Anal sex came into the Arab world earlier and although Muhammed did not know what it was (and had to have his wives explain it to him) he did give a ruling on it. It is forbidden. Categorically. Some Muslims have argued that it is allowed as long as you finish anally, but I don’t think that is a widespread point of view. Also very unhygienic. So Much For Subtlety December 20, 2015 at 10:42 pm jgh – “If sex is that thing that makes babies, then by using a condom you don’t have sex?” I dimly remember Auberon Waugh discussing whether or not consistent condom use meant that a marriage could be dissolved on the grounds of non-consumation. KevinS December 20, 2015 at 11:52 pm SMFS – Islam came into the world before oral sex was invented. Really? And you have proof of this – how? So Much For Subtlety December 20, 2015 at 11:54 pm So Tyson Fury was denied the Sports Gong. It went to that Black Hole of Charisma Andy Murray instead. Who would have guessed the SJW could make me feel sorry for a Pikey? So Much For Subtlety December 20, 2015 at 11:56 pm KevinS – “Really? And you have proof of this – how?” Well obviously I don’t mean that literally. The Romans discuss it. But the Arab world does not. Muhammed and his successors give opinions on a lot of things but not oral sex. Thus strongly implying they hadn’t figured it out yet. john malpas December 21, 2015 at 12:02 am Come, come. You must all know that anything that pleasures the patriarchy is prohibited. The feminists are quite clear on this. Ian B December 21, 2015 at 12:47 am Islam came into the world before oral sex was invented. Really? bloke in france December 21, 2015 at 2:28 am Chimpanzees (Bonobo ones anyway) do a lot of oral sex. And then homo erectus forgot about it for 4 million years? About this bridge I’m selling you. I’m afraid the price has gone up. Grikath December 21, 2015 at 2:52 am “No there isn’t. No one has been able to find evidence of this. It is just another media smear of Christians.” Y’know.. when the practice came to the surface here in the Netherlands well over a decade ago in a radio documentary, on national radiom on primetime, about the biggest Newborn Christian youth convention in this here country , people said the same. Until the Rutgers Foundation, the national foundation charged with All Things Sexual, corroborated this with facts and figures about the “significantly higher” incidence of std’s and trauma specifically associated with ( improperly performed) anal sex, among women of specific religious denominations. But yeah… must be persecution of the poor hardcore Christians,,,, Roue le Jour December 21, 2015 at 6:01 am “It’s a helluva rule, that rule-34.” marc December 21, 2015 at 7:21 am Pity that only child isn’t Billy boys, So Much For Subtlety December 21, 2015 at 7:25 am bloke in france – “Chimpanzees (Bonobo ones anyway) do a lot of oral sex. And then homo erectus forgot about it for 4 million years?” I would be very careful about drawing any conclusions about what bonobos do or do not do. I have no idea what homo erectus did for 4 million years. I do know that oral herpes used to be distinct from genital herpes up to the Sixties. But it isn’t any more because oral sex is much more common. There is an account by a rather sad little Gay Englishman from the Fifties who said his boyfriend was angry when he showed him what this new thing called a blow job was. So Much For Subtlety December 21, 2015 at 7:35 am Grikath – “Until the Rutgers Foundation, the national foundation charged with All Things Sexual, corroborated this with facts and figures about the “significantly higher” incidence of std’s and trauma specifically associated with ( improperly performed) anal sex, among women of specific religious denominations.” Which specific religious denominations? Rutgers is the Dutch branch of the World Population Foundation? You know, those people who want the human race to decline to a more manageable size? No possible bias there. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.