Funny how this demand always occurs in these sorts of lists

“We DEMAND that Black student leaders be provided a $8.20/hr stipend for their continuous organizing efforts.”

It’s a bit like the SEIU demanding $15 an hour for fast food workers. Then it becomes $15 and a union.

It seems rude to even mention it, given that these are all people just valiantly struggling to make the world a better place. But you don’t think there might be,…well, just a tad you understand…..no doubt driven by the cisexist heteropatriarchy’s insidious attempts to infect all with the sins of neoliberalism….some self interest at play here?

44 thoughts on “Funny how this demand always occurs in these sorts of lists”

  1. “We DEMAND a concerted effort to increase the percentage of Black students and specifically Black female identifying instrumentalists in the Jazz department.”

    Was ‘concerted’ a deliberate pun?

  2. “We DEMAND a concerted effort to increase the percentage of Black students and specifically Black female identifying instrumentalists in the Jazz department.”

    Easy fix: get some of the jazz musicians to identify as Michelle Obama.

  3. Dearime. in Jazz, the correct term is,”vocalists”. Not many people know that Louis Armstrong’s first wife was the pianist for King Oliver’s band and Satchmo’s hot 5 and hot 7. She arranged the vast majority of the band’s numbers, as none of the others knew enough music theory and mostly played by ear. No mean jazz player herself, she was frequently admonished by King Oliver for overplaying. I don’t think Louis had the nerve to do so.

  4. “Not many people know …”: happily, I am aware of the music of Lil Armstrong. Not that she was much of a pianist, mind, if you compare her to the later NY stride players. Nor a particularly gifted arranger, if you compare her to Jelly Roll Morton or Fletcher Henderson. Still, she did a decent job, and used her musical education well.

    P.S. In jazz, the term “singer” was frequently used, though I’ll grant you that “voc.”, “vocal by” or “vocalist” often appeared on the records. Rather twee, though, in my view, like referring to clothes as “garments” or “apparel”. I do like “chantoosie” though.

  5. Also… do young black Americans even give a toss about jazz these days?

    Jazz is Stuff White People Like, and has been for ages. Try spotting a black man under the age of 50 at a jazz festival.

  6. Stuff White People Like #116 Black Music that Black People Don’t Listen to Anymore

    But the biggest role that Jazz plays in white culture is in the white fantasy of leisure. All white people believe that they prefer listening to jazz over watching television. This is not true.

    Every few a months, a white person will put on some Jazz and pour themselves a glass of wine or scotch and tell themselves how nice it is. Then they will get bored and watch television or write emails to other white people about how nice it was to listen to Jazz at home. “Last night, I poured myself a glass of Shiraz and put Charlie Parker on the Bose. It was so relaxing, I wish I had a fireplace.” Listing this activity as one of your favorites is a sure fire way to make progress towards a romantic relationship with a white person.

  7. All white people believe that they prefer listening to jazz over watching television. This is not true.

    It certainly isn’t true. I despise Jazz.

  8. I particularly like the demand for “exclusive Black spaces on campus”. Having fought for decades to have it abolished, do black people really want Apartheid reinstated?

  9. Rob, it is true. SWPL is based on Science, and The Science is settled.

    Are you sure you’re white, and not Chinese or Indian, or Welsh?

  10. The “correct” way to listen to Jazz is via radio or tv documentaries.

    The background stories are generally fascinating and the music reduced to very short fragments (so that you can briefly appreciate the musicality, without having to listen to the whole fucking band take solos in turn. Again).

    The fact is, almost no one likes listening to Jazz. It’s called Progress.

  11. A useful addition to shorthand arguments though:

    Q: What’s best, Capitalism or Socialism?
    A: West Germany v East Germany

    Q: Music or Jazz?
    A: Van Morrison not playing Jazz v Van Morrison playing Jazz

  12. @dearieme
    >P.S. Am I alone in enjoying the irony of “in Jazz, the correct term is …”?

    No idea, but I don’t get it. I don’t “get” Jazz either. (straightforward answer, please; no neoliberal sophistry gags).

  13. A: West Germany v East Germany

    This is precisely the debate which members of the SED nomenklatura are unable to engage in nowadays.

    Not so much because they are dead than because Murphy keeps deleting their comments.

  14. I don’t like jazz. Sounds like a band tuning their instruments to me. Give me (in this order) soul, delta blues, rock and roll, rockabilly, and bluegrass any time.

  15. Jazz is the ugly bastard child of ragtime for loons whose brains are not wired correctly and therefore don’t understand melody. Ragtime was/is a truly great music form that eventually begat boogie woogie and rock and roll.

  16. Discriminating in favour of black musicians does seem utterly ridiculous – after all, “God” already did that.

    However Whitey got there first with EU help for French wine makers.

    Don’t ask, don’t get.

  17. Jazz is the musical equivalent of masturbation. Utter self indulgence on the part of the performer. Its the worst form of music. The only thing anywhere nearly as bad is country, and even that has some redeeming features. Jazz has none.

  18. Isn’t it normal that the leaders of an organisation are paid their stipend by the members of that organisation. So, if you demand your leader be paid, cough up and pay him.

  19. I like Jazz music quite a bit, and readily admit I’m a) extremely white and b) a pretentious snob who looks down my nose at all those awful peasants cluttering up the place.

  20. Got no kicks against modern jazz – unless they try and play it too darn fast, and change the beauty of the melody until it sounds just like a symphony.

    That’s why I go for that rock and roll music…

  21. “I particularly like the demand for “exclusive Black spaces on campus”. Having fought for decades to have it abolished, do black people really want Apartheid reinstated?”

    Some wag suggested that in order to create safe spaces for women on campus, all men could be relegated to separate institutions.

  22. I do like ragtime though. I don’t count that as jazz.

    “Q: What’s best, Capitalism or Socialism?
    A: West Germany v East Germany”

    Providence also gave us North and South Korea. Two wonderful case studies.

  23. Steve, if you follow the Scottish political scene, you will often see La Sturgeon referred to (sometimes admittedly by me) in newpaper comments as Wee Lego Heid, given her preferred hairstyle.

  24. Given the competition for music programs already and the fact it requires a measurable level of technical competence and skill then demanding preference for certain groups is clearly discriminatory, it’s most probably more of a meritocracy than most areas.
    Free school music programs and lessons is where you need to fix things to allow equal opportunity and access not at the college level

  25. BraveFart – LOL!

    Paul – Not all Guardianistas. Monbiot looks like Mr Potato Head’s drippy brother in law.

    BiCR – Poor Wee Burney. 🙁

  26. Sturgeon’s hair seems to be a conscious decision to look more Celtic, as part of the illusion of a united Scottish people, when in her natural state she looks Black Irish.

  27. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    Jazz is the only form of music that is undoubtedly more enjoyable for the performer than the audience.

  28. re: Jazz. Yes, a lot of modern jazz sound like a fire in a pet shop. But that’s not what jazz always was.

    There was a time when Benny Goodman had to implore his audience not to rip their theatre seats and to stop dancing in the aisles. Jazz was, at one time, popular music.

    Of course, all this was before the war. After the war we had bop, then be-bop. And a new attitude as well.

    Jazz was not longer about great music and getting people up to dance, but an intellectual development course.

    Well, fuck all that. Proper jazz is for dancing, and dancing is for fun…

  29. quod vide the amount of fun a toddler has walking around hitting a biscuit tin with a stick, making a noise that would get him an Arts Council grant if he were twenty years older and could spout Bidisha-level nonsense.

  30. So Much For Subtlety

    You know, I don’t like the flame the fires here, but these are the people who accused Oberlin of being insensitive towards Black students because the canteen did not have enough fried chicken, right?

    Although I hate to think of what would have happened if the student’s canteen had, you know, served fried chicken.

    American academia really is damned if it does, damned if it doesn’t.

    I suggest ignoring them all. Watch some Dave Chappelle.

  31. @BNIC

    “Given the competition for music programs already and the fact it requires a measurable level of technical competence and skill then demanding preference for certain groups is clearly discriminatory, it’s most probably more of a meritocracy than most areas.”

    Apparently “blind” auditions can make a difference in orchestras and performance programs – if the auditions already are blind, then it’s difficult to see what else can be done without explicit reverse discrimination.

    If the auditions are not currently blind then that would be a sensible move though.

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