Ian Birrell is a complete and total fucking cretin, isn’t he?

Yet there is a dark side to this trend. For behind it lies the sanctimonious hypocrisy of billionaires who build vast fortunes with firms that avoid the taxes paid by the rest of society, then arrogantly think they are best placed to solve the planet’s problems.
Zuckerberg talked in his letter of creating stronger communities. Yet Facebook, like too many technology behemoths, is a serial tax avoider undermining government through its stubborn refusal to pay its fair share to society.
Last year, this all-conquering social media firm handed over just £4,327 in corporation tax in this country: less than the annual sum paid in tax by the average worker.
Yet its staff in Britain took home an average £210,000 each in pay and bonuses, safe in the security of a society that relies on public servants to protect them from terror, provide health care in hospitals and repair the roads on which they travel to work.

Twat.

The government got, roughly, 50% of each of those £210,000 payments you bloody moron. That’s why there was no corporate tax, because the money was all going to the workers.

And as for working for Viscount Rothermere and talking about tax dodging…..

17 thoughts on “Ian Birrell is a complete and total fucking cretin, isn’t he?”

  1. safe in the security of a society that relies on public servants to protect them from terror,

    Hold on a minute there, champ. *You* lot decided that public servants, and only public servants, should be able to protect people and that citizens should not be able or allowed to protect themselves. The citizens never asked to be utterly reliant on a bunch of overweight jobsworths surfing the internet for offensive tweets to protect us from AK-wielding jihadists.

  2. Man chooses to live in France , doesn’t like overweight jobsworth public servants.

    Not when they are masquerading as policemen, no. One thing I’ve noticed about the mass of policemen you see patrolling Paris these days (particularly in La Defense) is that they all look tall, lean, and fit, and up for a bit of a fight despite the lack of Robocop body armour. I find this comforting.

  3. Had a conversation about this with an acquaintance who is a fervent supporter of Corbyn. She was complaining about the avoidance of tax until I reminded her about the rates of tax and that HMRC probably got more tax with the money being paid as bonuses.

    I got a ‘dog shown card trick’ look. So I just said it was all neo-liberal sophistry and we moved on to something else…

  4. Look, the actual tax yield is irrelevant to these people. Tax is a weapon to use against people you don’t like, a religious icon to be worshipped. Facebook could have paid 20% in CP tax instead and not paid it to their staff, reducing the tax yield by at least half, and the SJ Warriors wouldn’t give a shit. It doesn’t matter to these people.

    Bastiat’s aphorism about the goose is a non sequitur for them. If they don’t like the goose they’ll set their dogs on it.

  5. I agree with Tim’s post on the tax issue. But I also find “philanthropy” by billionaires creepy and consider it undesirable. The fact that somebody has the talent to make a lot of money does not mean that they have any expertise regarding what is best for other people. It is normally just a means of inflicting their own ideology on the poor, which inevitably is (currently) that of the bourgeois (new) Left.

    This was in fact one of the valid arguments in favour of the welfare state, as expressed by Attlee.

  6. @Ian B
    They may not have “expertise regarding what is best for other people”, but they’re probably very good at recognising their own shortcomings and hiring people who have expertise they lack…

  7. Steve Crook-

    Maybe. But they are still going to be inflicting their (usually naive) socio-political preferences on others via funding choices. I wish they’d keep their money and spend it on hookers and cocaine, frankly.

  8. @Ian B
    “I wish they’d keep their money and spend it on hookers and cocaine, frankly.”
    Still inflicting their social-political preferences via funding choices I think 🙂

  9. Ian B

    “I wish they’d keep their money and spend it on hookers and cocaine, frankly.”

    what – you mean rather than give it to some charity like Kids Company…

  10. IanB

    Given that you don’t like billionaire philanthropists, do you want the state to take over their role? Which is worse, a minimal state with billionaire philanthropists or a socialist state where pre-tax billionaires are so heavily taxed that they have no funds for philanthropy?

    And, as SC points out, anybody who spends money inflicts to some extent their socio-political preferences on others. In this respect, billionaire philanthropists are no different to anyone else. And, frankly, I’d rather they were pissing away their fortunes on international aid than the UK government pissing away my wealth on the same.

  11. @ Ian B
    The mere fact that they are billionnaires suggests that they are more likely than a Whitehall or DC mandarin to know what will be an effective use of money.
    Last time I counted, most of the hospitals in London had been built by/funded by charitable donations. The ideology was that God wants (us) to heal the sick. “inflicting” – for some value of “inflict”

  12. People who actually earned the money are more likely to be careful with it than someone who has taken it from people. They want to create a legacy.

  13. @Ian B – a very good book on the subject is Poor Economics http://www.amazon.co.uk/Poor-Economics-Radical-Rethinking-Poverty-ebook/dp/B007CI81IQ in which the authors show how the likes of the Gates foundation is using proper scientific method to determine if its money is being helpful, or not. For instance one of the methods they use for bringing piped water to remote African and Asian villages is to make the local people actually pay for it, even if it is highly subsidised. Once people have actually paid for those pipes to be put in the ground it turns out that they do a lot better job protecting those pipes from other cunts who want to tear them up and sell them for scrap metal, etc.

    So yeah, there are some really clever guys in these organisations – not just your usual government sponsored SJW arseholes who think its the act of charity that matters, rather than the genuine consequences.

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