There could be some truth in this

Mr Putin and Mr Erdogan traded accusations as they took their respective turns at the podium at the summit on climate change in Paris.
“We have every reason to think that the decision to shoot down our plane was dictated by the desire to protect the oil supply lines to Turkish territory,” said Mr Putin.
“We have received additional information which unfortunately confirms that this oil, produced in areas controlled by Isil and other terrorist organisations, is transported on an industrial scale to Turkey.”

The story is, and it is only gossip so far, that the President’s son organises the convoys. The Russians are the first to have attacked those convoys, thus the Turkish reaction.

That I don’t normally believe or trust Putin doesn’t mean he can’t be right sometimes.

12 thoughts on “There could be some truth in this”

  1. Wouldn’t surprise me at all. Erdogan is an Islamist, why would he not trade with and side with Islamists elsewhere?

    Good decision all round from the EU to let 400,000 migrants in from Turkey then.

    I have genuinely no idea what drives their thinking. Has the Darwin Award started to offer massive cash prizes?

  2. I think Tim it is a bit more than gossip even though it has only barely penetrated the MSM yet and our political lords and masters for obvious reasons don’t mention it.

  3. Wouldn’t surprise me at all. Erdogan is an Islamist, why would he not trade with and side with Islamists elsewhere?

    Because Erdogan is a Turk. He’s not going to align with Arabs.

    Your argument is like saying Stalin was an authoritarian. Hitler was too. Therefore they would have common ground. But that’s not how the world works. Stalin couldn’t even work with Mao, a fellow communist.

    Some things are higher than ideology.

    There is only one thing higher still, and that is money. Why invoke false concepts of shared Islamicism when money is a far more likely concept.

    Erdodan’s “Islamicism” and that of ISIS are world’s apart. His is a political weapon, aimed at driving a conservative agenda inside Turkey. ISIS are violent extremists, for whom conventional politics are an anathema.

    Russia expands into Crimea, triggers war with Turkey. Where have I heard that before?

    Oh FFS! The Crimean War wasn’t about Russian expansion into the Crimea.

    You are going to look like a total idiot if your grip on history is that bad.

  4. “Your argument is like saying Stalin was an authoritarian. Hitler was too. Therefore they would have common ground. ”

    Erm… Common ground like Poland?

    “Some things are higher than ideology.”

    Yeah, but Erdogan is a religious maniac, it matters more to him than ethnicity.

  5. View from the Solent

    “.. Stalin was an authoritarian. Hitler was too. Therefore they would have common ground.”

    Like the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?

  6. “The Crimean War wasn’t about Russian expansion into the Crimea. ”
    No. It was about Russian expansion into Romania. Last time I was there, Crimea was up the coast from Costanta. Maybe they’d moved it?

  7. So Much For Subtlety

    Chester Draws – “Because Erdogan is a Turk. He’s not going to align with Arabs.”

    And yet he is married to one. His private life must be interesting.

  8. Erdogan is a greedy venal cunt.

    Consider this edifice he has built for himself (of course it is a “Presidential” palace but still…)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg89nRrE8QU

    Putin is a bad guy and inside Russia he is pushing for a return to tyranny albeit corporate rather than state socialism this time.

    When he speaks about Erdogan tho’ I believe him. Evil knows evil.

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